Home Page Owners Registry Discussion Forums ProwlerMall Event Scrapbooks About
NEW... Back by popular demand... Here is a forum where you can express your political thoughts. As with the main off topic forum, please remain civil and keep it clean and friendly.
In order to see all of the threads in this forum, set your date view in the upper right corner to "show all topics"

Click here to return to the Prowler Online Board Main Page
  ProwlerOnline, Plymouth/Chrysler Prowler Discussion Forum
  Political Off Topic
  58% want Government to shut down

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
edit profile | register | preferences | faq | search

   Bottom of Page next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   58% want Government to shut down
KlasKat



POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:Centennial Co. USA
Registered: Mar 2003
Admin Use

posted 02-28-2011 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KlasKat     send a private message to KlasKat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by KlasKat
NO MORE RED INK

58% of Americans want government shut down
Poll shows most think Republicans too timid in pushing budget cuts
________________________________________
Posted: February 28, 2011
11:37 am Eastern

© 2011 WorldNetDaily
WASHINGTON – There's a major disconnect between the "political class" in Washington and American voters overall on how to face the budget debate and the wider issue of the growing U.S. debt, a new poll by Rasmussen Reports reveals today.
The survey, taken last week, shows 58 percent of Americans would rather see a partial government shutdown than keep spending at 2010 levels. Only 33 percent would prefer to keep spending at current levels.
Democrats would prefer to avoid a shutdown by 58 percent, but 80 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of independents say a shutdown is a better option.
The issue arises because Congress has not yet passed a budget for 2011, instead authorizing spending for a few months. That authorization is about to expire.
At the same time, Congress will face a vote in the coming weeks on raising the debt limit above $14.3 trillion. House Republicans can freeze it with a no vote, but GOP leaders signaled a willingness to keep borrowing.
Republicans may fear being politically outmaneuvered as they were by President Bill Clinton in 1995 when they allowed a government shutdown – even though the stock market rose during the spending freeze when non-essential federal employees were ordered to stay home.
"This is another issue that the political class and mainstream voters don't see eye-to-eye on," said the Rasmussen report. ""Seventy-six percent of those in the political class would rather see spending continue at current levels to avoid a shutdown; 70 percent of mainstream voters prefer a shutdown until Democrats and Republicans can agree on spending cuts."


The organizer of a campaign to freeze the debt limit and end all government borrowing says the poll demonstrates House Republicans "have the wind at their backs if they have the guts to change the direction of the federal government 180 degrees by voting against a hike in the debt limit."
"Poll after poll shows Americans understand the debt crisis and want it dealt with in dramatic fashion now," says WND's Joseph Farah, the force behind the "No More Red Ink" campaign that is flooding House Republicans with letters calling for a freeze on borrowing. "Yet it is ironically the House Republicans who are afraid to use the power they have."
Farah's campaign is built around the political reality that House Republicans alone can stop the borrowing and spending that is bankrupting America.
"This is their big chance to demonstrate that they are different from the Democrats," he says. "All they have to do to stop the fiscal insanity is to say no to a hike in the debt limit – one vote! The rest takes care of itself. It will require massive cuts in the federal bureaucracy, which is what Republicans have said they want and what Americans still say they want."
Farah reminds that even Sen. Barack Obama said he was opposed to raising the debt limit back in 2006: "The fact we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. … Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren."
"Obama has clearly flipflopped," says Farah. "Are House Republicans going to flipflop, too?"
Sometime in the coming weeks, a bill will come to both houses of Congress requesting approval of a hike in the debt limit from $14.3 trillion, a sum already representing nearly 25 percent of the nation's gross domestic product and more than 14 percent of the world's wealth.
Republicans hold all the cards, Farah says. They can stop it with 218 votes in the House – and they control 241.
It is about time they do what they said they would and shut down the spending.

bjprowler


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:Clarksville,Ohio,USA
Registered: Oct 2004
Admin Use

posted 02-28-2011 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bjprowler     send a private message to bjprowler   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by bjprowler
Shut 'er down!.....Then, and only then, will government employees understand that "collective bargaining" means nothing when your employer is BROKE...Just like in the private sector...
reechee




POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:San Rafael, CA
Registered: Dec 2007
Admin Use

posted 02-28-2011 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for reechee     send a private message to reechee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by reechee
Rasmussen Poll On Gov't Shutdown Shows Inverse Of Gallup Findings

All depends on how you ask:

According to one poll, six in ten Americans want a budget compromise to prevent a government shutdown. According to another survey 60% want a government shutdown to get to a budget compromise. Wait, what?

Yes, two polls in the past week have shown apparently opposite results on how Americans feel about a looming government shutdown, should Congress not pass a budget by the end of the week. So why the sharp discrepancy?

The answer, as is so often the case, is in the framing.

Last week, a Gallup poll showed that 60% of Americans would rather see a budget compromise than see members of Congress who represent their interests hold out for their ideal budget, if it means the government would shut down. That phrases the current debate in Washington fairly concisely.

Compare that to Rasmussen, which framed the question much differently:

5* Would you rather have Congress avoid a government shutdown by authorizing spending at the same levels as last year or would you rather have a partial government shutdown until Democrats and Republicans can agree on what spending to cut?

That frames the budget showdown as an either or: either the government continues spending at current levels, or it shuts down until cuts are made. In response to that, 58% of likely voters said they preferred a government shutdown.

Yet that's not really what Congress is deadlocked over. There's a general consensus that cuts have to be made. The debate now is about how deep those cuts should be, and where they should be made.

It's also worth mentioning the other questions Rasmussen posed in the lead up to that final one about a government shutdown:

1* How closely have you followed recent news reports about the federal budget debate in Congress?

2* Will the spending cuts proposed by Congressional Republicans significantly reduce federal spending and deficits or will they have little impact on overall levels of spending and deficits?

3* Congress never passed a budget for 2011, but authorized spending for a few months. That authorization will expire soon and Congress must act quickly or some federal government services could be shut down. As Congress authorizes spending for the rest of 2011, should they authorize spending at the same levels as last year, authorize less spending than last year, or authorize more spending than last year?

4* If Democrats and Republicans fail to reach a budget agreement soon, there will be a partial shutdown of the federal government. Payments for things like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits would continue, but some federal government services could be shut down until an agreement is reached. Would a partial shutdown of the federal government be good for the economy, bad for the economy, or have no impact on the economy?

Neither party is proposing raising spending, or even keeping it at current levels, though the third question raises the unpopular specter of each. And for that matter, the previous question gauged support for a Republican spending plan, yet there was no mention of a competing Democrat plan to cut spending.

Another question hedges on a government shutdown, saying that popular programs like Social Security will not be affected, while "some" other services "could" be shutdown.

Rasmussen was widely criticized last week for a poll that, through arguably leading questions, produced a result favorable to Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) in his showdown with the state's public employee unions. In the New York Times polling guru Nate Silver wrote, "Because of the problems with question design, my advice would be simply to disregard the Rasmussen Reports poll, and to view their work with extreme skepticism going forward."

------------------
Manufacture or perish.

ed monahan





POA Lifetime Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 02-28-2011 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
Even if 60 % don't want it, 40 % still do. That is an awful lot of folks who want something drastic done NOW.
If the other poll is correct or if the real number is somewhere between, the results are shocking.
heynow14


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:Waterford,Mi USA
Registered: May 2001
Admin Use

posted 02-28-2011 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heynow14     send a private message to heynow14   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by heynow14
The people who respond to polls are the same ones who didn't vote anyway.

------------------

ALLEY CAT





POA Lifetime Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:mesa, az, USA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 03-01-2011 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
quote:
Originally posted by heynow14:
The people who respond to polls are the same ones who didn't vote anyway.



How do you know that? Did you read a poll that said so?

All times are CT (US)  Top of Page  Previous Page

 Return to Political Off Topic  next newest topic | next oldest topic



Administrative Options: Close Topic |Make Sticky | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Prowler Online Homepage

All material contained herein, Copyright 2000 - 2012 ProwlerOnline.com
E-Innovations, LP

POA Terms of Service