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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 06-23-2010 05:33 PM
He said the Gen did not follow the Chain of Command ! Can you imagine being in the armed services and seeint this guy as the top gun! He won't salute the flag, doesn't display a flag at press conferences, etc. As a Veteran I am offended by his actions as Commander in Chief. I can't believe he used the Chain of Command as his excuse. I seriously doubt if anyone in the service has any respect for the man. |
jimsutton POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Ocala, FL, USA |
posted 06-23-2010 05:50 PM
Be-- Carful -- He is Running this dog and pony show and We might be next ....O - I - for got I quit my job a few years ago can they fire me from retirement I hope Rolling Stone don't see this |
bjprowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Clarksville,Ohio,USA |
posted 06-23-2010 07:16 PM
Hey!...Obama thinks he can run car companies, Insurance companies, Banks, Hospitals,......Running the military with absolutely no experience should be a "piece of cake" for this wizard... |
MDProwler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fallston,MD USA |
posted 06-23-2010 07:41 PM
He didn't need an excuse McChrystal resigned and he accepted it. He deserved to go. Article 88 of the US Uniform Code of Military Justice states: Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. |
bjprowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Clarksville,Ohio,USA |
posted 06-23-2010 08:07 PM
John 8:32..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" |
CJ POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Rochester Hills, MI USA |
posted 06-23-2010 11:11 PM
Interesting that many other Generals, etc. in the military agree that McChrystal used bad judgment with regard to the article, but that he was EXACTLY correct in what he said. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 06-24-2010 12:23 AM
Again, how could any military person respect him. |
BeWare POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Acworth , Georgia , USA |
posted 06-24-2010 10:46 AM
I think Bill O'Reilly summed it up pretty well even though I agree with ED and CJ. By Bill O'Reilly It did not end well for Gen. Stanley McChrystal, a war hero and patriot. A foolish mistake, allowing a reporter from Rolling Stone magazine into his inner circle, got him fired by his Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama. The question: Was the president right to fire the man? (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: As difficult as it is to lose Gen. McChrystal, I believe that it is the right decision for our national security. The conduct represented in the recently published article does not meet the standard that should be set by a commanding general. It undermines the civilian control of the military that is at the core of our democratic system. (END VIDEO CLIP) In other words, the president would look like a wimp if he kept the general on, and at this point in his presidency, Barack Obama cannot afford to look weak. Also, he has Gen. David Petraeus in the bullpen as McChrystal's replacement, which might be an upgrade. As you may know, things have not been going well on the battlefield, primarily because most Afghans won't fight and our guys can't fight all-out because of the civilian causality issue. President Obama well understands he cannot afford to lose in Afghanistan. It is his war. He is fighting it his way. If the Taliban prevails, Mr. Obama will take a huge hit, and he has only one year by his own yardstick to declare victory. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) OBAMA: I have a responsibility to do what is -- whatever is necessary to succeed in Afghanistan and in our broader effort to disrupt, dismantle and defeat Al Qaeda. I believe that this mission demands unity of effort across our alliance and across my national security team. (END VIDEO CLIP) At the heart of the controversy is Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings portraying McChrystal and his staff as disdainful of the Obama administration. The president is not a man who embraces criticism, thus the general's fate was sealed. And McChrystal knows most of the fault lies with him. Hastings is a far-left guy and doesn't hide it. He openly says his job is to f-word those in power. He has called Rudy Giuliani a maniac and John McCain "Captain Ahab." Why would the general allow a guy like that access to him and his staff? Amazing. But as I said Tuesday night, I did the same thing a few years ago and I got hammered by Rolling Stone as well. The plan here was to reach an audience that knew little about Fox News. It was dumb; I was dumb. These things happen. The whole McChrystal deal is, of course, bad for the country and bad for the military. But maybe Gen. Petraeus can save the day, as he did in Iraq. However, the truth is there is chaos right now in America, and that is never a good thing. And that's "The Memo." |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 07-02-2010 11:11 AM
McChrystal was talking to you (and me). The ink had not yet dried on my last column that discussed the fact that Barack Obama was woefully unprepared for the presidency http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Default.aspx?id=1059248 and as a result is making deadly missteps in the execution of that role, when news broke of General Stanley McChrystal in essence saying the exact same thing to Rolling Stone magazine. This isn't just a story to be brushed off. This is a bombshell. Don't be distracted by the media comically chastising the General for daring to speak out against "The One" (yes, the same media that hailed military officers who were willing to "speak truth to power" in criticizing George Bush). That isn't the story. The true meaning of the McChrystal episode is titanic, because it is quite apparent the General was sending a stern message directly to the American people. For more reasons than I can count, it is beyond obvious that McChrystal's public criticism of Obama was not a lapse in judgment or a mistake. It was unquestionably intentional. First, four-star generals have not achieved that rank without knowing the chain of command and the expectation of subordination to superiors. Second, all of McChrystal's advisers were touting the same message, demonstrating this was no fluke, nor an offhand comment taken out of context. Third, McChrystal spoke the inflammatory words to Rolling Stone, a well known anti-war, anti-military magazine. Fourth, reports are that McChrystal actually saw the piece before it went to print and offered up no objections to its content. If all that is true, then it naturally begs the question: Why did he do it? McChrystal is one of the lead authors of the "counterinsurgency" strategy that, despite the nay saying of liberals like then-Senators Obama and Biden, transformed Iraq from a quagmire into a success. He knows the strategy works. But as its architect, he also knows this new military policy requires two vital elements: lots of troops, and as much time as necessary for them to do their job. While other factors are important (cultural bonds, regional partnerships, financial investment, troop morale, etc.), the two most crucial ingredients to making counterinsurgency work (in Afghanistan or anywhere) is a massive amount of troops on the ground to overwhelm the enemy and live among the people, and a commitment to stay as long as necessary to break the will of the enemy. This is precisely why counterinsurgency worked in Iraq. Over the ignorant objections of both Obama and Biden, then-President Bush listened to his military commanders and ordered the troop surge. And while being pummeled by the media and Democrat political opportunists for not setting a hard deadline for withdrawal, Bush committed to stay in Iraq until the job was finished. The result speaks for itself. As the Afghan war began to deteriorate, Stanley McChrystal was put in charge to implement that effective strategy there. But he quickly found that Barack Obama is no George W. Bush. First, Obama – having championed himself as the anti-war candidate – cut the number of troops McChrystal requested. And then, in what has to be one of the most foolish wartime moves in history, he announced an arbitrary date for the beginning of American troop withdrawal. This may please the ex-hippies in the anti-war crowd that Obama courted during the 2008 campaign, but it has emboldened our enemy, imperiled our troops, and created a giant mess of our counterinsurgency efforts in Afghanistan. Having pressed his case privately with Obama's war team in Washington, McChrystal certainly saw the handwriting on the wall, and as a final recourse, pled his case to the American people. Were his actions a breach of protocol? Yes. Did they rise to the level of insubordination? Probably. Was Obama justified in removing him from command? I think so. But after we're done hammering McChrystal for going over the President's head, we better give some serious thought as to why he was so willing to put his career on the line like that. The reason is as clear as it is frightening: our political leadership in Washington is clueless. And their incompetence is costing us not only resources and money, but most importantly the precious lives of brave American soldiers. General Stanley McChrystal was willing to lose his job to send that message to the only people who can do something about it. He was talking to you. |
BeWare POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Acworth , Georgia , USA |
posted 07-02-2010 12:02 PM
Thanks Idive. That is right on the money! This message has been edited by BeWare on 07-02-2010 at 12:03 PM |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 07-05-2010 12:35 AM
the other night there were four reporters on with Charlie Rose. All four agreed on one thing, Bush backed the troops and Obama does not. They didn't agree on much of anything else but they agreed on that. They said that made a huge difference knowing the Pres. stood behind you and had your back. Charlie Rose seemed a little flustered and actually turned slightly red in the face at one point. |
CJ POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Rochester Hills, MI USA |
posted 07-06-2010 06:17 AM
And let's not forget the "Rules of Engagement" that tie the hands of the troops instead of trusting their judgment in combat situations. Would you want your military family member to die because they couldn't do what they are trained to do??? |
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