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syswayne1939

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I read in my manual that the spark plugs are hard to change. Have to unscrew the coil on top of each one and the spark slugs are in a tube. Do I have to replace the tubes also when changing them. What is the best plug for me that only drives about 500 miles a year on the Prowler.
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If you are not mechanically inclined or don't have the correct tools.....best to let a repair facility install the plugs. I remember somebody broke one of the 'coil packs' getting to the spark plug.

I use Champion plugs on the Prowler --- OEM

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quote:
Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
If you are not mechanically inclined or don't have the correct tools.....best to let a repair facility install the plugs. I remember somebody broke one of the 'coil packs' getting to the spark plug.

I use Champion plugs on the Prowler --- OEM


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'00-'01-'02

CHAMPION Single Platinum > 3034 (RC12PEC5)

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'99

CHAMPION Single Platinum > 3412 what a parts book says

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not sure what the cast iron '97 3.5L motor used?

No need to go to Double Platinum, just higher cost.

Check the gap as it may be different on the different years?


Even if the manual says to change at 100,000,,,,the techs prefer you change plugs at 30 to 50K mile range. Besides the fact that they are easier to change at that mileage [not all rusted into place],,,,your ride will perform much better. I listen to what the tech say,,,,they are the ones wrenching on them.

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Years ago, Plugs should have been replaced at 30,000 miles. Todays plugs will last 100,000 miles. To be on the safe side. Unless you notice fuel MPG falling or an engine miss, or rough idle, I would leave them alone unless you are over on miles.
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My 99 Prowler has aluminum heads correct?
If Prowler has aluminum heads is anti-seze compound used?
Read it was used between different metals so they wouldn't
grow together.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stroker:
My 99 Prowler has aluminum heads correct?
If Prowler has aluminum heads is anti-seze compound used?
Read it was used between different metals so they wouldn't
grow together.

I was just looking at the book and it does not mention anti-seize but I don't think it would be a bad idea to use it.

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Originally posted by Stroker:
My 99 Prowler has aluminum heads correct?
If Prowler has aluminum heads is anti-seze compound used?
Read it was used between different metals so they wouldn't
grow together.

I use anti seize compound when ever I change any car, truck & especially boat plugs. I had also heard years ago that metals do react when two different ones are in contact with each other, especially aluminum. Also it will protect the threads in the future when you decide to remove them. I also use it on other threaded items to insure they come apart in the future. Ford had major problems with their V 10s. The threads would come right out of the heads when you removed the spark plugs. Before I retired , I had an account with several of these engines, and tons of miles were put on these trucks. Using anti seize thru out the years on them, I never had a thread failure on these engines. Use it on any threads that come in contact with water or where you would like to protect them from outdoor elements, as it works very well and leaves a thin coat for protection. It is also a great idea to use it if you own a boat where you can get a lot of damage from electrolysis. Use it on any bolt or especially the propeller shaft and you will always have an easy time when the prop needs changing. The best use I have had with it is exhaust manifolds as bolts break off in the heads often on older engines. On a lot of engines, there is not a lot of space to get a drill down there to get the broken pieces out. It does eliminate a lot of nightmares.

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Will anti-seize affect the heat range of the spark plugs?
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Took my 2000 I bought in Sept 2018 in today for some work by a Prowler tech and he recommended replacing sparkplugs. Said they were original and recommended replacement was 10 years. I also had him put Brian's VSLs in.

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I changed out the spark plugs myself, very easy as long as you have the right tools and take your time. The coils will need a T-25 star head.

I used a small amount of anti-seize in the middle of the threads.

For any of the NEW Kat owners, if the plugs haven't been replaced yet, change them out with: Bosch +4 platinum spark plug, no gaping required. You'll feel a little more pep.

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I wish anti seize was used on mine... I replaced my plugs when I first got my Kat and 2 of the plugs were near fused and almost impossible to remove.... Took days of patience trying to remove them.... Learned a lesson with that experience and will never not use anti seize.

I 2nd Hoagie1 on the Bosch 4428... Great plugs with a noticeable difference....

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changed mine many years ago...... Not difficult, but you do need the right tools

I didn't have a long enough extension with me, so made it more difficult but still got it done

Have no clue what I used or if I put anti seize but hope I did ( think I did)

Think a 5/8 spark plug socket and 6" extension is needed plus the toris bit for coil pack

As others said, if you are unsure, pay someone, while at it change the water pump, timing belt & hoses.

The aluminum block 99 & newer are interference engines and breaking the belt can do major internal damage.

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Where are you guys finding Bosch 4428 plugs? Looking online with not much luck - even Bosch website doesn’t show them when you type in Prowler.
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Looks like they have been discontinued which is a real shame... Awesome plug... You can do searches on this Web site for the Bosch 4428 plugs dating back 16+ years ago and how great they are (That's how I learned of them...) Not sure when they stopped making them...

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I called the Bosch Support line today and they confirmed that #4428 was in fact discontinued (in 2015) and the replacement is #8123.(for 1999-2002 Prowlers).
(For 1997 Prowlers their P/N is #6717).

Scott

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So since the quad plug is discontinued by Bosch and the new one looks like any other brand, any point in using it? I have always used NGK plugs in my cars so wondering if Bosch has any advantage now. Ron.
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Yes the Bosch +4 platinum has been changed to the normal style of plug called fine wire platinum or fine wire Iridium.

I changed mine out this past year with the Bosch +2, they seem to work just as great as the +4's.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BOSCH-4308-PLATINUM-PLUS-2-SPARK-PLUG-Set-of-6/361351507449?epid=76808199&hash=item54223a6df9:g:D~EAAOSw1m9asXoB [url]https://www.ebay.com/it m/NEW-BOSCH-4308-PLATINUM-PLUS-2-SPARK-PLUG-Set-of-6/361351507449?epid=76808199&hash=item54223a6df9:g:D~EAAOSw1m9asXoB[/url]

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Shout out and thumbs up to Scott for calling Bosch and finding the replacement plug...
It's a plus +2 but likely to be just as good...
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Slight retraction... If Bosch is stating the replacement is a standard plug 8123 and Hoagie1 has confirmed that the 4308 +2 plug is what he used... Go with the 4308... Its design is far superior to a standard plug.
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just to follow up from the info I found....
Bosch 4308(+2) was replaced by Bosch 4428(+4) which was then discontinued in 2015. The eBay price I found for #4428 was $152 for 8 plugs! ($19 each!) You might find them for less.

The Autozone Price for Bosch #8123 is $5.29 currently (with a heat range rating of 8). Rockauto has them for $3.59.
The Autozone price for NGK 7781 is $8.19 currently (with a heat range rating of 5). Rockauto has them for $5.00.
The Autozone Price for Champion #7034 is $5.19 (with a heat range rating of 12) Rockauto has them for $3.82
(so go with the brand that you like best)

reference: http://www.sparkplugs.com/learning-center/article/459/discontinued-bosch-spark-plugs
and http://www.boschautoparts.com/en/news/obsolete-superceded-communication

just beating a you know what!
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Some hopefully useful information on the subject of using anti-seize.
http://ricksfreeautorepairadvice.com/anti-seize-spark-plug-threads/
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Just order the Bosch 4308 from the EBay link above - like I did, lol.
$20 for 6 and free US shipping. Thanks for the link. Ron.
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Hey OkieHokie, What are Bryan's VSL's I hate acronyms. ??

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