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Gort
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posted 11-25-2014 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gort     send a private message to Gort   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Gort
Most posts are questions asking advice or comments about Prowlers. After being on this forum a couple of years I've noticed one serious concern about Prowlers. I've been on dozens of auto forums but never have I seen a concern about one item so much. The PCM. If this part can literally stop an owner from driving his Prowler for months or ever,this is a really rare situation. I know you can get a part that works but kills the gages electrically. Maybe it's time to do something. This sounds more like a Delorean problem. Is there any way owners can get together and ask Chrysler to do something to help ,either have a vendor available to rebuild or replace the faulty PCM.

Anyone want to draft a letter to Chrysler that could state the problem and ask for help? Maybe we could sgn a common letter to get the point across.

Just a thought about what could be done. I don't want to be the first to have a sign saying " Dead PCM,sell cheap"

This message has been edited by Gort on 11-25-2014 at 04:59 PM

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I thought Larry already posted that Chrysler was working on this.
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Originally posted by garysss:
I thought Larry already posted that Chrysler was working on this.

Is this a verbal conversation or a written request? Who is the person that owners should contact or make a request for the part? email or phone number? Anything that has a follow up that everyone could see?

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Originally posted by Gort:
Most posts are questions asking advice or comments about Prowlers. After being on this forum a couple of years I've noticed one serious concern about Prowlers. I've been on dozens of auto forums but never have I seen a concern about one item so much. The PCM. If this part can literally stop an owner from driving his Prowler for months or ever,this is a really rare situation. I know you can get a part that works but kills the gages electrically. Maybe it's time to do something. This sounds more like a Delorean problem. Is there any way owners can get together and ask Chrysler to do something to help ,either have a vendor available to rebuild or replace the faulty PCM.

Anyone want to draft a letter to Chrysler that could state the problem and ask for help? Maybe we could sgn a common letter to get the point across.

Just a thought about what could be done. I don't want to be the first to have a sign saying " Dead PCM,sell cheap"



As a new Prowler owner this really concerns me. I can not believe that there is not a PCM vendor eating this up. This would be a good seller for them and they could name there price. I would be on board to get together to do something constructive to solve this important issue.
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Originally posted by garysss:
I thought Larry already posted that Chrysler was working on this.

That's good news that someone has the ball rolling.

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Originally posted by Landscape Doctor:
That's good news that someone has the ball rolling.

Very good news. I'm very appreciative for Larrys help and not trying to go around his efforts , it's just that this discussion has been going on forever. Maybe a joint effort would help. If Larry feels he is accomplishing his request for help then I'm sorry for this post, it's just an idea,maybe not even a good idea. The only car that comes to mind that has a problem like this is a Delorean. The suppliers have thousands of right front fenders but NO left front fenders. The production stopped leaving the left front fenders unattainable. A left front fender could bring thousands of dollars, from a parts car, the right front fender is selling for $300. Not the same ,but you get my point.

OK..I'll give it a rest, you guys decide. THANKS

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posted 11-25-2014 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garysss     send a private message to garysss   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by garysss
Gort, I'm not saying it isn't a good idea, maybe check with your local dealer to see if they can find out if Chrysler is indeed working on it, or if they can give you contact info of someone who can tell you.
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Sorry Gort is was Phil. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/005123.html
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Originally posted by Landscape Doctor:
As a new Prowler owner this really concerns me. I can not believe that there is not a PCM vendor eating this up. This would be a good seller for them and they could name there price. I would be on board to get together to do something constructive to solve this important issue.[/B]

There is a vendor that offers PCMs for sale. It is the Prowler store in Florida. But the downside is the inflated price you must pay for one. If Chrysler is going to produce them again, that will be great but until then, this is the only place to acquire one that I'm aware of at this time.

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Originally posted by golfboy:
There is a vendor that offers PCMs for sale. It is the Prowler store in Florida. But the downside is the inflated price you must pay for one. If Chrysler is going to produce them again, that will be great but until then, this is the only place to acquire one that I'm aware of at this time.

A lot of complaints about those.

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Gort, I don't think that is an accurate statement.JMO

But I like your idea of sending Chrysler a letter from a group of POA members. I know for sure it can't hurt.

If you write it, I will sign it. I'm sure many here would.

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Gort, I don't think that is an accurate statement.JMO

But I like your idea of sending Chrysler a letter from a group of POA members. I know for sure it can't hurt.

If you write it, I will sign it. I'm sure many here would.


I don't even know who to write to. I would think someone who's a dept. head over customer relations or a parts inventory dept head. It's like the Hellcat,first supercharged Chrysler product,what if it is only for a couple of years in production and there's no parts for the supercharger later on down the road. I would think Chrysler would not want a reputation of having a parts problem for their limited production cars.

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Gort, I would start with this guy. He was very helpful getting the timing chain recall done on the Challengers.

Pietro Gorlier

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do you really think chrysler cares.they dont.by fed law they only have to make parts critical to the operation of a car for 7 yrs.

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do you really think chrysler cares.they dont.by fed law they only have to make parts critical to the operation of a car for 7 yrs.


What does 'fed law' have to do with whether they care or not?

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Chrysler is very proud of the whole Prowler nation, I'm sure. And they are in business to make money. With the stroke of a pen, someone at Chrysler can send a PO to their contractor and say "make us 500 Prowler ECMs. No caring necessary.

They are not going to hold back in hopes of selling us some new car.

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Originally posted by catfish:
do you really think chrysler cares.they dont.by fed law they only have to make parts critical to the operation of a car for 7 yrs.


Chrysler is like any other car company ,they are driven by sales.It has to be in their interest, as well as ours, before they will act.Auto shows and museums and forums are tools used by the company to spark interest in their products in a positive way. Autoweek,Road and Track,and Motor Trend comments are critical in getting people to like their products. Any negativity coming from the government or EPA or Safety org.s are translated to slow sales.
That's why I think a group effort means more than a single owners effort. What could it hurt?

Three things are possible.

1. They say they will look into it and really do nothing.

2. They will hope to get something published saying the Company is truly interested in preserving their heritage and get a positive interest in their company (Sales), so they will send back a PDF saying the engineering dept has been instructed to start a new production of PCMs or having a vendor listed that will take care of the problem.

3. Write you a business type letter quoting the federal law for making parts for so many years, I thought it was ten but it might be seven.

If you do nothing...nothing will happen. A shot into the dark has a better chance of hitting something that no shot at all.

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Originally posted by Gort:
A lot of complaints about those.


Gort, there was a problem with gauges not working on some of the PCMs that were sold by the Prowler store in the past but the problem has been resolved and all of the PCMs now being sold by them work the same as the factory units that came in the car. They just have to be flashed correctly to your car which the Prowler store will also do. You just have to be prepared to pay their price. It is the only option at this point, I'm afraid.

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do you really think chrysler cares.they dont.by fed law they only have to make parts critical to the operation of a car for 7 yrs.i hear they are going to make lf fdrs for 51 dodges again.

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I would think the Mr. Krehel might be able to pull some strings?
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I would think the Mr. Krehel might be able to pull some strings?

Unfortunately most of my stings no longer lead to Fiat/Chrysler.lol

I believe that Bob Longstreth may still have some connections or can point us in the right direction. I'll try to touch base with him this weekend.

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Thanks Mike!

Is this the correct part number?

Part Number: R4686966AA

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Thanks Mike!

Is this the correct part number?

Part Number: R4686966AA


I believe the part numbers have changed over the different years. Actually I had a spare 01 PCM that I had re-flashed to work in a 99, as a result of what I learned from one of the two engineers that wrote the code for Plymouth/Chrysler. They used what they called an I-box to do some software tuning for one of my strokers, so I know it's possible, I just don't know if a dealers DRB and computers would be capable of doing it by just re-flashing the PCM with the correct years code. So, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I would bet that all of the different year PCM's with the exception of the 97 can be re-flashed to work in 99-02 Prowlers.

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IH-PCM99/02-NEW

REF:
(99)DC-RL815905AG
(00) R4727907AC
(01) R4686966AA
(02)DC- R4748288AA

IH-T-CM96-02
REF:
(97) DC-4865022AE
(99) DC-RL-686876AB
(00)(DC)-RL-865334AE
(01) R4748201AE
(02) 4748289(02)
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Originally posted by catfish:
do you really think chrysler cares.they dont.by fed law they only have to make parts critical to the operation of a car for 7 yrs.i hear they are going to make lf fdrs for 51 dodges again.


They would only care if it benefited them ,and it would.


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