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REBELBOB   POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pamplin, VA |
posted 11-08-2014 11:15 AM
    
First...a big thanks to John Collins for the help in replacing the fuel pump... Second...The car continues to have the same issue in that it will just die as if it has run out of gas or it will just try to start as if there is no gas. When the pump was replaced you could hear it spool up and everything worked fine. Then later it would not start at all... I have heard of a few others that had this issue and was wondering if there was a resolution discovered? Is there a fuel pump relay which could be an issue? Any help would be appreciated...had to miss the Smoky Mountain event...just did not want to risk being stranded. Thanks for any help...Bob |
pgpd           POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Arnold, MD, USA |
posted 11-08-2014 12:29 PM
Bob, sorry to hear this. Not positive, but I think Gary (MDProwler) is experiencing some of the same issues as you? May want to see if he has come up with anything? Good luck! |
ed monahan        POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 11-08-2014 12:40 PM
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004747.html Read that thread. Gary had posted it was probably the TPS. Edit, it was the crank sensor, not the TPS. Sorry. This message has been edited by ed monahan on 11-09-2014 at 08:07 PM |
MDProwler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fallston,MD USA |
posted 11-08-2014 01:56 PM
I am having sort of the same issue Mine died suddenly while driving. When I tried to restart it the engine would crank then buck much like the valve timing was off. After it sat for fifteen minutes it restarted but only went a mile. I let it sit for about forty five minutes the second time and this time it ran for about5 miles before cutting out. I was able to repeat this until I got it home. The other weird thing it was doing was every time I tried to restart and it failed a relay in the power distribution box would start clicking and I would have to disconnect the battery to get it to stop. My best guess is the cam position sensor. The crank sensor was changed in May. I don't know if any codes were showing up as I was more worried about getting it home. I'm not sure what's going on with the relay. I haven't had the time to mess with it. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 11-08-2014 05:24 PM
I had a Plymouth Acclaim one time that wasn't getting any fuel so I jumped on the fuel pump and it did not fix the car. Poor troubleshooting on my part. Turns out that if the computer does not sense engine rotation the fuel pump relay does not pick up and the fuel pump will not run. I am not familiar with the system used in the Prowler but i'm sure it is along these same lines. I changed the hall effect distributor and that fixed my Acclaim. It was the easiest and cheapest part I could have changed so I take on the big expensive hard to do stuff, I learned something from it at least. |
robin POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St Thomas Ontario Canada |
posted 11-08-2014 05:56 PM
Good article. It would be nice if you had PCM to swap out. http://www.underhoodservice.com/diagnosing-intermittent-stalling-issues/ Robin |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 11-08-2014 07:22 PM
That is a really comprehensive article. Thanks for posting it. |
garysss POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Balto. Md. |
posted 11-08-2014 08:33 PM
Thanks Robin, very good info. |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 11-09-2014 09:44 AM
I had to replace my fuel pump 4 times until I did the Walpro conversion. Later my PCM (engine computer) failed and I had to replace it. Symptoms similar to what you are having. That doesn't mean that is the problem, just something to check. ------------------ |
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REBELBOB POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pamplin, VA |
posted 11-09-2014 03:14 PM
Thanks everyone....Gary, will try and contact you next week if you are around. I was, also, hoping the fuel pump was the issue but no...the good thing is that when it re-starts it will run long enough to get me back home so it appears Gary's problem is a little worse but the re-starting symptoms are identical minus the "bucking and needing to disconnect the battery". Dealership in Richmond did not even want to touch it due to the supercharger??? |
mslc10 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bulverde, Texas, United States |
posted 11-09-2014 06:03 PM
See "engine cuts out whilst running" What am I thinking! Here you go: http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004747.html Get to pg 5 and he replaced crank sensor and solved his problem. This message has been edited by mslc10 on 11-09-2014 at 06:11 PM |
adacus Prowler Junkie From:Houston, TX USA |
posted 11-09-2014 06:13 PM
I recall reading a post on this issue. In the post, it mentioned that the wire harness was being squeezed against the side panel of the vehicle. It (the post) mentioned taking the panel off and putting in a spacer of some type. One of the more seasoned memebers here will recall this post. Hope this helps you. This message has been edited by adacus on 11-09-2014 at 06:15 PM |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 11-09-2014 06:18 PM
Adacus, that was posted by Catfish. There is a wire tie, or zip tie holding all the wires together and there is a sharp bend in the wires, causing some of them to short out. Cut the zip tie off and separate the wires inside that loom. |
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Dave Haggas Prowler Junkie From:united kingdom |
posted 11-09-2014 06:21 PM
I did replace the crank sensor and the car has run faultless ever since. I had a faulty O2 sensor. I replaced all 4 O2 sensors and this then allowed a relevant code to be recognised. The code was for a faulty crank sensor. It could be worth a try as its an easy job. Good luck and please let us know what you find. |
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REBELBOB POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pamplin, VA |
posted 11-16-2014 07:31 PM
Is the wiring harness being squeezed on the driver or passenger side? thanks...Bob |
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adacus Prowler Junkie From:Houston, TX USA |
posted 11-16-2014 07:52 PM
If memory serves me correctly, it was the drivers side. Send Catfish a PM and he can chime in on this. |
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padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 11-17-2014 11:49 AM
Is this the wiring you are talking about? |
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Dave Haggas Prowler Junkie From:united kingdom |
posted 11-18-2014 03:09 AM
If you remove both side engine panels and simply look for any area of the wiring loom that may be touching anything. Any overly tight cable ties, sharp kinks etc. I released all my loom and gently warmed with a hairdryer, then kneaded them. I then re cable tied the loom where it looked sensible to do so. Whether this was necessary or indeed caused a problem, potentially in the future, I have no idea. But my loom did indeed seem too tight in some areas. Good luck and thanks to all on this site for the help that came my way when I had problems, Gentleman all of you. This message has been edited by Dave Haggas on 11-18-2014 at 03:10 AM |
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adacus Prowler Junkie From:Houston, TX USA |
posted 11-18-2014 04:26 PM
Yes, that is the post I was referring to .
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REBELBOB POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pamplin, VA |
posted 11-21-2014 12:02 PM
Does anyone have info on where the crank sensor is located and what it takes to replace it? thanks |
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RPL POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Rochester Hills, MI, USA |
posted 11-21-2014 12:26 PM
Try this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CzVXrmgNd0 |
stevedymo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Brick, NJ, USA |
posted 11-21-2014 12:30 PM
Remove the Passenger side panel for more light. The sensor is on the bell housing near the cat conv. REMOVAL This message has been edited by stevedymo on 11-21-2014 at 12:34 PM |
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REBELBOB POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pamplin, VA |
posted 11-21-2014 05:49 PM
Thank you for the help as we move on to the next stage of resolving the issue... |
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RPL POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Rochester Hills, MI, USA |
posted 11-21-2014 06:51 PM
You're helping us as you sort through this keeping us posted. |
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REBELBOB POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pamplin, VA |
posted 12-02-2014 02:10 PM
Just ran diagnostics and it listed P0320 as the code which is "no crank reference at powertrain control". The possible solutions are 1.replacing the crank sensor and 2. replacing camshaft position sensor. So will replace both and hope the issue is resolved! |
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