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wallygator310


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posted 11-11-2010 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wallygator310     send a private message to wallygator310   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by wallygator310
Just received this from a friend that ordered parts from Scott Curtis aka Obi Wan:

Scott,

I tried to contact you by phone and you never returned the call to any of the telephone numbers I gave you. It has been 8 months since I sent you a certified check on 3/4/2010 and that you subsequently cashed. This is out and out fraud. You have not sent any of my parts, brakes, rotors or braided brake lines. You have not contacted me to tell me why you have not and that in itself is a crime.

This is what I have done. I have first filed with the U.S, Postal Inspection Service, a mail fraud case. Secondly, I filed with the Federal Trade Commission and thirdly I have retained an attorney to initiate a judgment against you. If you want you can call me to discuss returning my payment I made by certified check on 3/4/10 or I will still accept parts I ordered and never received, but you must have a bonified time table for delivery and it must be immediate. But believe you me, this will not be the last time you hear the name XXXXXX XXXXXX. It’s your call.


It's a shame that someone who has really fine products, treats us this way. He deserves what he gets.

Wally

This message has been edited by wallygator310 on 11-11-2010 at 06:36 PM

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go gettem .he deserves what he gets.

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This message has been edited by catfish on 11-11-2010 at 07:35 PM

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credit card only no cash or check ever.
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posted 11-11-2010 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StingRay     send a private message to StingRay   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by StingRay
What goes around ... comes around .... watch what you say, and preach!
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posted 11-11-2010 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard     send a private message to Howard   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Howard
You can not change a s stripes.

Scott this is not the first time you have taken money and not delivered products on time. Are you on vacation again? Has your computer broken?

Do the right thing. Get Wally his products.

Just remember the:

Brewmerang Principle.

“Whatever you chant,
whatever you brew,
sooner or later
comes back to you.”

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posted 11-12-2010 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for catfish     send a private message to catfish   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by catfish
howard,arent you saying karma.where you been howard,how about some more of your humor.

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posted 11-12-2010 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wallygator310     send a private message to wallygator310   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by wallygator310
Not my parts ordered but a friend of mine here in Daytona.

Wally

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posted 11-12-2010 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RPL     send a private message to RPL   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by RPL
Wally,

Does it matter whose parts they are as long as they are Prowler related and connected through this site, the facts are correct, true and other people may be at risk?

I sell parts here. Some are newly developed parts that have sometimes taken months to deliver. Enough people have trusted me enough to pay in advance and wait for delivery. Frankly, that has made the projects possible. Parts have to most often be paid in advance and have long delivery times. My last bill was over $5K. Roughly half the people helped me by paying in advance. I only had to front just under $3K for the same time that those that paid and waited.

What no one is saying are those owners that stand up and say that want a part. You order the appropriate quantity to cover their order and guess what, they never pay and you don't hear from them again. Think it doesn't happen, check with other Prowler vendors that develop new products.

I have a nice pile of radiator and heater hoses that were ordered, paid for by me and are now available for sale.

Two sides to every story. Scott is dead wrong here. This isn't the first time people have had problems with him. Problems have occurred at periods over many years. In the past caring local owners have contacted Scott to encourage him to make good. I remember a friend that interceded and took a huge amount of grief from people here for simply trying to help. Maybe someone nearby will have a discussion with Scott and Scott will stand up and correct this wrong.

Please keep all of us posted and thanks for sharing.

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I can understand reasons for all type of delays in getting something done, especially when you have to deal with other companies out of your control. There is no excuse for not keeping your customer informed and updated along the way. I'm sure if Scott had answered any of his emails or phone messages most of his customers would not be complaining in the first place. It's the not knowing what's going on and not being able to find out is the problem. No one wants to wait for something after they have paid for it, but if you tell them why they usually understand.

This message has been edited by garysss on 11-12-2010 at 12:01 PM

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posted 11-12-2010 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for phil2237     send a private message to phil2237   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by phil2237
What , another Grace saga !
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posted 11-12-2010 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DFOTOPRO     send a private message to DFOTOPRO   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by DFOTOPRO
Yup...it starts again
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posted 11-12-2010 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RPL     send a private message to RPL   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by RPL
Actually its another Scott saga. I believe that they go back ten years off and on.
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posted 11-12-2010 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard     send a private message to Howard   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Howard
Scott is around. He is just avoiding you . Here is his last post dated 9/18/10

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posted 09-18-2010 02:39 PM
Is this a "wonderbar" or a stock bar. If is is a Wonderbar I will take it--just let me know??

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I "think" about a year ago, someone on the site was totally pissed that he had paid Obi for a Prowler trailer, that Obi said he had given the "Obi treatment" to, only to be waiting over a year for delivery of the trailer. Obi kept promising to send and up to that point hadn't....Obi just kept stalling...the person never posted to my knowledge that he had received it. I can't sleep at night if I know I owe someone $5.00!

This message has been edited by Y2KRedProwler on 11-12-2010 at 05:02 PM

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I just want everyone to know that I'm just the intermediary relaying a letter sent to Scott from another POA member who was told that the parts would be sent as soon as the check arrived. Of course that was last March with no contact from Scott at all since then.

Just wanted anyone that may do business with him in the future to be aware that that same thing may happen to them. We always have a bunch of new owners on this site from time to time and they should be so advised. They can make up their own minds.

Again, I am so happy there are members that have gone out of their way to develop new products for our Prowlers. I have bought from Tom Mills, Larry Lord, Jay Harris, Scott Curtis, Bob Longstreth and even Real Rod. I understand delays. I also understand the vendor that once was conscientious about selling and shipping parts can or could change and in this case it seems that he has. I have bought from him in the past but would not again.

Again, I'm only relaying message that I was asked to post for others to read. I have nothing invested in it.

Bob, I think that anyone that says they will buy a product if it is developed should do so and have the integrity to follow through. I have even though I decided that I really didn't want the part. But that is only me and how I act. Others should do the same in my mind. If we don't we may get to the point that no one will want to develop or re-create any parts for us. That is the real shame.

Wally

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With all of the bad history here, it's amazing anyone sends Scott (Obi Wan) a penny. As a public service we need to warn people anytime he posts selling parts.
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Maybe Darth Vader ought to use a light saber to teach Obi Wan a lesson!!!!!!
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Ouch....
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If you are buying something from someone here or anywhere pay with a credit card if you don't get the item then you call your credit card company and don't have to pay. I said this long ago with real rod bob and with the grace grill. I was correct on the grace grill.
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Bottom line: A DOG IS A DOG!!!
From what I've seen, the Prowler community (on this site or the other one) is a fairly tight community and it has NO ROOM for people who try to CHEAT OR DEFRAUD YOU!!!

Legalities aside, people like that need a really good ASS WHUPPIN'!!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Chi_Town_Prowler:
Bottom line: A DOG IS A DOG!!!
From what I've seen, the Prowler community (on this site or the other one) is a fairly tight community and it has NO ROOM for people who try to CHEAT OR DEFRAUD YOU!!!

Legalities aside, people like that need a really good ASS WHUPPIN'!!!!


yah what he said.

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I just wanted everyone to know that read this post, that Scott finally came through with the parts ordered and paid for back in March. He gave Larry a bunch of excuses as usual. Still...buyer beware!

Wally

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thanks for letting us know i'll never buy anything from him anyways.
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same here..but at least he got his stuff...it seems like ob is reading and even has the nerve to post on some items but not if you have problem with HIM????guess that has a lot to say about the person
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quote:
Originally posted by DFOTOPRO:
same here..but at least he got his stuff...it seems like ob is reading and even has the nerve to post on some items but not if you have problem with HIM????guess that has a lot to say about the person

He posted in classifieds just the other day, selling his tachs. Since he no longer has a Prowler, all he wants to do is sell his parts here.


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