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eromain37 Prowler Newbie From:Fort Lauderdale |
posted 03-20-2010 06:13 AM
    
Dear all - I have a 2001 Orange Cat with some bubbly spots underneath the paint on the hood and trunk (see pix). I took her to 2 different reputable body shops and got 2 very different stories and cost to fix the issue: 1/ $1,500 to repair and it will not come back 2/ $750.00 and it may or may not be coming back as this is an electrolysis issue. The issue seems to be that our great Plymouth workers let some moisture being trapped at the time the car was getting painted at the factory and that after a few years, that moisture try to get out, causing the bubbles. I tried the warranty route with Chrysler already but they stick to their 3 year coverage limitation (I originally made them aware of that in 2008). Does anybody has encounter the problem or has advise? Thx, ------------------ |
xtreme prowler         POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 03-20-2010 06:36 AM
I have them.... I have heard it is the salt air that we get here on the east coast that causes the aluminum to corrode and that the condition is not uncommon in the Florida cars that are used regularly... I plan to do an entire repaint next winter so I'll addess it at that time. My largest spot is on the bottom of the drivers door and there are a few blisters on the underside of the hood on the edge. |
alrtg   POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Westminster, MD, USA |
posted 03-20-2010 07:46 AM
My Silver 2000 has a spot on the left bottom edge of the deck lid (Trunk)it does not appeared to have gotten any worse since the car left Texas approximately five years ago. I have been thinking about buying the fiberglass replacement deck lid with the trunk lid opening in it so I can get in that area without dealing with the top. I am procrastinating as I always seem to do. |
WildCat          POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:North Louisville, Indiana, USA |
posted 03-20-2010 08:00 AM
I know several coastal cars that have this problem. Salt in air, just like a steel car aluminum will corrode, not rust, some call it white rust on aluminum, once the salt air gets into the seams of the panels then the white rust starts and causes the paint to bubble. Since your location is Fort Lauderdale, my suggestion is to get the car repaired THEN MOVE..............LOL If a good quality shop preps it well it should be OK for years to come. People think a corvette is safe from the corrsion of the winter salt, well there is a steel structure that holds the glass, frames rust, so no matter what car you own the enviroment plays a part in the care and repairs needed. I know where a 62 Corvette is. It is covered with a tarp in the back yard under a tree. It has been parked for the past 15 years i know of. I tried to buy it and the last time i spoke to him I ask about the frame. (one of the last time I seen him driving it was on a snowy day) The frame had been repaired already once. So this 62 Corvette is slowly going back to natural products from the earth, a slow painful death. he got many years of enjoyment out of it (300,000 miles) The glass is probably getting soft, frame rusting just wish he would have sold it to me years ago. |
garysss POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Balto. Md. |
posted 03-20-2010 08:09 AM
I have a couple spots on both of mine, but don't seem to have gotten any worst over last 3-5 years. |
Kevin A POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Gahanna, Ohio |
posted 03-20-2010 12:22 PM
quote: Do you really plan on repainting your car? |
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xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 03-20-2010 01:26 PM
The current paint is over 3 years old and done when Travis was only just starting his work... he wants another chance at it to show off how much better he is.... Your right, the 2.0 will be amazing... |
catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 03-20-2010 02:18 PM
750.00 is a correct price for repainting lid and hood.if he doesnt back up his work,go somewhere else.1500.00 is excessive.getting rid of the corroision is very easy,if it is in fact corroision.the spots as you say were most likly there when it was painted during assembly.hard to say what it is w/o actually seeing it. ------------------ |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 03-21-2010 01:17 AM
I was thinking the paint was covered for 100K miles. Maybe someone can confirm this. Do both your estimators know that they are dealing with paint on aluminum? |
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eromain37 Prowler Newbie From:Fort Lauderdale |
posted 03-21-2010 07:23 AM
I wish I had a 100K warranty on that car :-) Yes, both body shop know exactly what they are dealing with. It is just a matter of one saying that you can not fight rust on aluminum while the other one says you can... ------------------ |
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xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 03-21-2010 07:48 AM
I have done some reading on Aluminum Corrosion and have learned that the salt environment we get on the coast along with the galvanic properties that occur when you combine 2 dissimilar metals is the cause. The cloride is the killer and the aluminum is sacrificed. having all stainless steel fasteners helps.. I'm going to see if sacrificial annodes could be a solution just as they are in marine applications.. |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 03-21-2010 12:55 PM
fyi.the spots or bubbles are not galvanic corroision,since the hood drs and decklid,have no dissimilar metals in them.they are 100 percent aluminum.the affected panels most likely had the corroision before they were sealed and painted during assembly.being a small area,were ever the parts were sitting may have gotten the bare aluminum wet enough to start the process.it still takes moisture to start corroison no matter whether its steel or aluminum.maybe somebody could post photos of the affected areas.hard to tell w/o seeing it.after the part is sanded and ready for paint in the bare aluminum state would also help in identifying the problem.corroision can be stopped in its tracks so to speak,with some acid treatment.whoever says it cant is wrong. ------------------ |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 03-21-2010 01:21 PM
galvanic corroision is caused by 2 disimilar metals touching each other,and both metals must be bare,no paint on them.as a example,where prowler hoods and lids are bolted on,there are j clips that snap into a notch on that panel.the clips are steel and usually when installed will scratch the paint all the way thru.if youve ever seen a prowler j clip they are silver,the silver is a special treatment on the clip to eliminate corroision when that clip scrathes the paint,so there is no galvanic corroision at those spots.the special clips are used in many different areas of the car during assembly.if you used a untreated clip,you would eventually end up with the start of corroision.if for example they didnt use those special treated clips,down the road,if you had to remove a part,you would never get the bolt out to do corroision. ------------------ |
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xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 03-21-2010 01:34 PM
Good info Jan... My door is pretty bad, I can't bear to photo it, but I'll see if I can get a shot of the underhood stuff.. some moisture must have gotten in there when the airbrushing was done, probably wet sanded through to the aluminum... |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 03-21-2010 04:30 PM
I didn't think paint or body trim was covered under warranty, but that may not be correct. |
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eromain37 Prowler Newbie From:Fort Lauderdale |
posted 03-21-2010 06:53 PM
Here are the pix of my trunk lid and hood.  [img]http://www.prowleronline.com/u bb/image_uploads/pict3000.jpg[/img]
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 03-21-2010 07:45 PM
looks like corroision,dont see any reason why it cant be repaired,it does need to be ground thru to the paint,so you can see the condition of the metal.from the hood photo, i would also adjust the latch and frt stops,to eliminate the hood rubbing on the grille,its way to tight.there should be at least a 1/4 inch gap between the two. ------------------ |
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eromain37 Prowler Newbie From:Fort Lauderdale |
posted 03-21-2010 07:56 PM
Thanks Catfish and all the other contributors. You are a great bunch to deal with. Is there any Prowler's owners in the Ft Lauderdale area up for a meet-up and ride? ------------------ |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 03-21-2010 08:07 PM
one other thing,chrysler used nothing but ppg paint on prowlers.i would call ppg and get a hold of there regional rep,and have him look at your car.he can give you some important tips on how and what to use to do a proper lasting repair.have him actually come out and look at it.the ppg reps are way more knowledgeable than the painters,on how to go about it,so it doesnt come back.the final result will be worth it.dont let them or the shop give you the runaround.they,ppg will send somebody out to look at it. ------------------ This message has been edited by catfish on 03-21-2010 at 08:07 PM |
toys POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:kensington Conn, USA |
posted 03-21-2010 10:30 PM
quote: Come!!! ON!!! After all these years you can't really believe this would work, Just like the bad chrome on the wheels, just try putting a claim in now DUH!!!!! , if you really believe Bullhead AKA catfish on this one I just don't know what to tell YA!! besides PPP, it's simply a thing called electrolysis Look it up. DUH!!!! JM-humble-O This message has been edited by toys on 03-22-2010 at 10:43 AM |
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idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 03-22-2010 12:24 AM
quote: I was correct. The paint has a 5 yr/100K mile warranty as it relates to any outside body panels. If your car has been in service for under 5 years you're still under warranty for this. |
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xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 03-22-2010 05:46 AM
electrolysis (-lk-trl-ss) A process in which a chemical change, especially decomposition, is brought about by passing an electric current through a solution of electrolytes so that the electrolyte's ions move toward the negative and positive electrodes and react with them. If negative ions move toward the anode, they lose electrons and become neutral, resulting in an oxidation reaction. This also happens if atoms of the anode lose electrons and go into the electrolyte solution as positive ions. If positive ions move toward the cathode and gain electrons, becoming neutral, a reduction reaction takes place. Electrolysis is used for many purposes, including the extraction of metals from ores, the cleaning of archaeological artifacts, and the coating of materials with thin layers of metal (electroplating). |
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xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 03-22-2010 05:48 AM
Zinc is the most commonly used sacrifical annode for aluminum. Not sure if this would make a difference on the Prowler but it works wonders in the marine industry and is a must when dealing with salt water.. |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 03-22-2010 03:01 PM
toys,i didnt ask him to go to ppg and ask them to warranty it.after 40 yrs od experience in the custom car and collision industry,they wont warranty it obviously.sometimes a smart dealer,if the person is a good customer,will fix it at nc under -customer good will,i have seen that happen.doesnt apply here.reread my post,maybe you will understand what im saying.oh i forgot ahole you cant read. ------------------ This message has been edited by catfish on 03-22-2010 at 03:04 PM |
CJ POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Rochester Hills, MI USA |
posted 03-22-2010 04:05 PM
quote: Prowlers/parts were not painted at the Prowler assembly plant. They were painted by outside vendors and then assembled at the plant.
This message has been edited by CJ on 03-22-2010 at 04:08 PM |
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