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galaxie POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:middleburg hts. Oh. U.S.A. |
posted 06-02-2007 11:21 PM
As most of you know that post here, I bought a trailer (orange 2001) over the winter. It's almost new, about 250mi. on it. Today I started to polish the inside of the rims & they started flaking. The finish just started coming off. I know about the flaking problem with the wheels, but this trailer is new. My question is, do I have any agtion that I can take? Should I call a dealer? Any help would be greatly appreciated.....Thanks, Mac |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 06-02-2007 11:29 PM
I'm not positive,,,,,but I'd guess you are S.o.L. Maybe somebody will offer words of encouragement? |
galaxie POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:middleburg hts. Oh. U.S.A. |
posted 06-02-2007 11:52 PM
Larry, I kinda thought that too. Just checking to see if I have any recourse. |
392HEMI POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:The Villages, Fl. |
posted 06-04-2007 01:00 PM
Mac: I just read through the Ajax owners manual and it clearly states that any parts or service issues are to be taken to the Chrysler dealer. Ajax Trailers was located at 2089 E. 10 mile Rd., Warren, Mich. If the specification tag is still on the left side of the tongue just out from the trailer it has the serial # on it. You might get Ajax to tell you what dealer took delivery of yours and then will probably hear some lengthy excuse why they won't cover it. Good Luck. Jim |
hotroddaddy Prowler Junkie From:TX |
posted 06-04-2007 01:35 PM
Did American Racing make the 15" chrome wheels for the Prowler trailer? This message has been edited by hotroddaddy on 06-04-2007 at 01:35 PM |
Tennessee Cat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Crossville, TN USA |
posted 06-04-2007 08:35 PM
I know the very first thing that someone is going to say is "where are the pictures" Well I am on the road and nowhere near my car, but I had a half *** solution to the flaking rim issue. Our 2000 red that we bought last Nov was near perfect except for the flaking rims. They were bad! After buying the car I didn't have the cash for replacements and I really like the look of the original rims. So I took each wheel off, taped off a ring about 3-4" inside from the center and took a flap wheel to the flakes and to the rest of the chrome in that area. I scuffed it up real good and then painted that section only with a dark gray metallic wheel paint. I believe and my hot rod friends all felt it came out very well. Some of you will see it in July at Somerset. When the flakes were there you could see them right off through the wheel but with the gray paint on the inside you do not see the paint, the flakes are gone and the outer portion inside of the rim is still chrome and perfect. Now this would not work if the outside was flaking or the inside was flaking clear to the inside edge. but it was perfect for me. I didn't post it right away because I wanted to see if it would hold up. It has been done for 1000 miles now and looks as good as it did when I first did it. It may not be the first class way of doing it but it is a good solution until I find a perfect set of rims I can afford. |
Kruisin Kat Prowler Junkie From:Rochester, NH, USA |
posted 06-04-2007 09:23 PM
You could always have them re-chromed. PM me for more information. |
galaxie POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:middleburg hts. Oh. U.S.A. |
posted 06-05-2007 12:23 PM
Thanks for all the posts reguarding the flaking wheels. I called the dealer & have an appointment with the service rep. Will let you know the outcome. |
obi-wan Prowler Junkie From:Los Altos, CA, USA |
posted 06-06-2007 05:55 PM
As far as I can tell the factory will no longer warrantee the chrome on the wheels. That's very bad news for a lot of us. I had 5 rims warrented when I had a warrantee and did a lot of research on just what was going on with the chrome problem. I have stated the tech. answer before(do a search and you can find that info.) The answer for me was to have the chrome electrolytic removed and the rims professionally polished. I had the front ones done about 2 years ago but my polisher needed to "rest" enough to attempt the rear. I just picked up the first rear one today and WOW!!! is it nice. I will have pictures to send out(on loan)if anyone wants to see just how nice this all is. BUT, it ain't cheep !!! The rear ones will be in the neighborhood of 600.oo each. I know-some of you are gasping and gripping your chests right now. Maybe I'm really crazy(I don't care)I really want to find the correct answers so I never quit and sometimes the REAL answers do cost some money. The bottom line is that I really like the results and since they are going on my own car it's ok!!!! Like almost everything else I make I offer it to any owner. |
galaxie POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:middleburg hts. Oh. U.S.A. |
posted 06-06-2007 11:10 PM
Well, I went to the local Chrysler Dealer & guess what? You guys were right. Since they didn't make the trailer, they won't fix it. Said I should call AJAX. Are they still in business? I talked to a couple of body shops & they say that peeling wheels is not a rare thing. Some Crager wheels are known to peel. I guess it's all in the process of prepairing the wheel before it is chromed. Oh well I tried. |
Kruisin Kat Prowler Junkie From:Rochester, NH, USA |
posted 06-07-2007 07:05 AM
Hello!? Galaxie, PM me your email and I'll get you info on getting them re-chromed. |
RPL POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Rochester Hills, MI, USA |
posted 06-07-2007 07:34 AM
Fact is the trailer was a Mopar Accessory. As such, it was covered by Mopar's limited warranty. It has long expired on your trailer. Ajax is still in business. In fact I had them go through our car hauler in preparation for the Tulsa trip just last week. Ajax was the manufacturer of record on the trailers. Mopar contracted with them to build the trailer frames which is what drives the serial number. The frames were sent to Tri-Glass, one of the Penda companies for completion. They manufactured all of the fiberglass parts, painted the trailer and completed final assembly shipping them to the dealers. The wheels were manufactured by American Racing. They were purchased in quantity by Mopar. The reason that Mopar was stopping production of the trailers was that they had exhausted the supply of chrome wheels and didn't have confidence that they would be able to sell enough trailers or replacement wheels to offset the expense. Remember this was at the time that the decision was made to end Prowler production. Mopar reviewed their sales and available supplies of all Prowler accessories, a normal process as production is ending on a model. They recognized that they were going to lose a lot of money scrapping what the parts they had on hand, which included over 100 trailers at the time. Mopar, knowing that CJ was involved with the Prowler owners, ask if there was anyway to help clear out their stocks. CJ posted what was still available from Mopar and the quantities. Virtually everything sold out with weeks to Mopar's amazement, including the last of the trailers. The demand for trailers, splash guards, car and trailer covers, car and trailer bras, trailer hitches and wiring harnesses and floor mats was still there. CJ convinced Mopar to continue the parts in demand. Then she went on a campaign to get them to build more trailers. As she had credibility helping clear out over a million dollars worth of stock they thought they would have to scrap, they listened to and finally agreed to order 400 more wheels, if she could identify 100 people interested in buying a trailer. She provided the list of people and where they intended to buy. Mopar agreed to built 100 trailers. Demand remained high and they built 200 more trailers using up the supply of new wheels. Mopar ended production at that point very happy that they had sold 332 trailers that they never expected. This is why the club can still offer OE car and trailer covers and car and trailer bras. When Mopar exited this business, they approved CJ to purchase directly from the original vendors. She shared that with the club so that members can still purchase OE accessories today and at a price lower than dealers originally paid plus you can have your car color logo which Mopar never did. Now that's the short version of the history of the trailers. The warranty has expired on the trailers sold and the wheels. There are no more chrome trailer wheels either in the Mopar system nor at any dealership. The supply has been exhausted. You will need to seek an alternative solution to the flaking issue on the inside barrel. Now the chrome wheels on the car. The warranty on the car is not related to the Mopar Accessory trailer, different terms and conditions. American produced the original car wheels which were designed to be painted aluminum. Aluminum is very difficult to chrome under the best conditions. Chrome, aluminum wheels are typically either forged or pressure cast. Many of the newer ones actually have a plated plastic overlay, hence the term "chrome clad." American never designed the car wheel to be chromed nor did they want to chrome it. They resisted Chrysler's demands as long as they could and reluctantly agreed under pressure. The wheels are a cast design and casting has some porosity. It is that porosity that leads to the flaking and separation. The Chrysler warranty was not uniformly applied by service representatives across the country. Some dealers willing replaced peeling wheels, others refused until their service rep. advised whether they would be reimbursed. As the service replacement wheels were no better than the originals, some were good and other exhibited the same problem. Getting any company to replace a chrome plated aluminum wheel that shows any type of deterioration anywhere other than the show face is virtually impossible. Wheel companies do not consider the inside barrel a show surface. Chrysler was no different. As American told Chrysler they didn't want to chrome the wheels in the first place because of the known issues with cast wheels, the problem was Chrysler's. Now the supply of replacement wheels is limited. Many in the system had been sent out to dealers and returned after the dealer inspected them cherry picking the best for their customers. Mopar changed their return policy the first of the year. Dealers can not return parts even if they ordered the wrong one. Dealers will be very reluctant to exchange any part today. I order more parts than most people despite this, if I ordered it, I own it. Do I like or agree total with all of this, no but I don't have a vote in the matter. CJ has three Prowlers. We've faced many of the same problems that other owners have. I've had to purchase many front shocks, hood struts and miscellaneous parts. I even had to pay over $800 for a rear shock that was leaking and that was with my discount. So life's not fair some times. I haven't had warranty cover most of the parts needed. The car is what it is, not perfect, with its own issues but a **** of a lot of fun. The friends that we've made and the people we've met are priceless. The website can help individuals understand the various solutions and work arounds that others owners develop. That access to knowledge is priceless. Don't be afraid to call a problem as you see it. Hopefully there's someone that has encountered and overcome the same issue. That's my 50 cents. Good luck on finding a solution that works for you. Please don't be afraid to ask for help and alternative. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 06-07-2007 01:11 PM
Bob, a very good post that should help some of us understand what went into the decisions made. |
hotroddaddy Prowler Junkie From:TX |
posted 06-07-2007 03:37 PM
If the show face of the wheel is good but the inner barrel is peeling, is it possible to remove the chrome plating and such from the inner barrel and then powdercoat the inner barrel? I am told that powdercoating requires baking.... will that process hurt the "good" chrome? If this is a viable solution, then powdercoating the inner barrels a silver color (or maybe the body color) might be a nice alternative...?? This message has been edited by hotroddaddy on 06-07-2007 at 03:38 PM |
Roger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Seattle |
posted 06-07-2007 03:47 PM
Bob, thank you for taking the time to write all of the above. It is very educational, with sage advice, and one of the best posts ever. |
RPL POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Rochester Hills, MI, USA |
posted 06-07-2007 04:05 PM
I remember that someone had the chrome removed from the inner barrels and then power coated the them. If you're on the board please speak up or can someone find those posts? |
bjprowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Clarksville,Ohio,USA |
posted 06-07-2007 07:07 PM
Sounds to me like Tennessee Cat has the simplest and most economical solution....I was thinking of doing the same thing but I'm thinking of painting the inside of the wheel to match the car...Has anyone tried this?... Or what are your thoughts about this idea?...Spending thousands of dollars to chrome something that's hardly visible seems a little ridiculous quite frankly...I've never had anyone pull me over on the interstate to say that my wheels are flaking (-:.... I do, however, really appreciate Bob's explanation of the problem and why American Racing didn't "step up" to correct the problems...I think I would have felt the same way had it been my company.... |
galaxie POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:middleburg hts. Oh. U.S.A. |
posted 06-07-2007 11:34 PM
Bob, I didn't realize what the story was behind the trailers & wheels. Thank you so much for your detailed & informative answer. Many owners are right that it's mostly on the inside of the wheel. We all want our cars to look the best they can be. If it gets worse, I'm sure I'll find a solution to the problem. Again thanks for your post. |
RPL POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Rochester Hills, MI, USA |
posted 06-08-2007 08:28 AM
I agree Galaxie. We're all looking for our cars to look great. The issue isn't going to go away. Over time it can only get worse. Someone here will come up with a very workable solution. We need to keep talking about it and looking at what people try. |
bowton POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Walla Walla, WA. USA |
posted 06-08-2007 09:04 AM
A very informative post. Thanks much, Bob. |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 06-08-2007 09:16 AM
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Dale Beaman POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lexington, KY, USA |
posted 06-08-2007 12:16 PM
TennCat, Good suggestions and one I think I will try. Thanks |
soliday Prowler Enthusiast From:Lisle, IL USA |
posted 06-08-2007 01:07 PM
quote: Not the same color as the car, instead I used aluminum colored engine paint. It has withstood 3 years and about 10000 miles. Unfortunately the face is now starting to peel in the corners. |
bjprowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Clarksville,Ohio,USA |
posted 06-08-2007 07:57 PM
What did you do to "prep" the rim?....Was the paint from an aerosol can or ordinary spray gun? |
soliday Prowler Enthusiast From:Lisle, IL USA |
posted 06-11-2007 10:04 AM
quote: The chrome on my wheels was so bad that I could peel off 75% of it by hand. I used a razor to peel off most of the rest. Under the chrome is a thin layer of copper and under that is a layer of zinc. The copper was almost impossible to get off where it did not peel off nicely with the chrome. The zinc can be removed with a high speed buffer. Then I just put on a few light coats of paint with an aerosol can. |
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