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mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-19-2004 08:57 PM
A POA member had asked me to have a couple of the tranny covers I designed made for him. During the process I had a couple extra made. I put them on eBay this evening if anybody is interested (search: Prowler Transmission Cover). Attached is a pic of one installed on my KAT. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/CCC/catcover42.jpg |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-19-2004 10:25 PM
Everybody leave a comment and let me know how you think it looks................. |
hubbard316 Prowler Enthusiast From:Plano, TX |
posted 02-20-2004 12:36 AM
Looks great!! Could you post a picture furhter away from the car to give a better overall look with it on it? But from what I can see, it is a neat looking piece!! |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-20-2004 08:42 AM
I'll take a picture from further away this evening and post it. |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-20-2004 05:59 PM
Another pic as promised.......... |
FL Phil POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Kissimmee, FL USA |
posted 02-20-2004 07:00 PM
I think the cover looks great but I have to ask if you have a license from Chrysler to produce them? I believe this web site and everyone using the site must help protect DailmerChrysler's intellectual property ownership of the Prowler and it's trademarks. |
obi-wan Prowler Junkie From:Los Altos, CA, USA |
posted 02-20-2004 07:13 PM
Very nice c&c work, and I like the appearance BUT there is a problem. I'd have to run the math but there's a tremondous blockege of air to the cooler and these transxels need all the cooling they can get. I did many calk's when I developed mine and you really need far more air flow than you have-Your brobably blocking over 70% of the flow and you want something not exceeding 10%. Hope this helps-not trying to but a wet blanket on it . Obi-wan |
obi-wan Prowler Junkie From:Los Altos, CA, USA |
posted 02-20-2004 07:15 PM
Yah Phil-you have a point |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-20-2004 08:46 PM
Also being an Engineer, I bent/angled the lower lip/extension of the cooler cover to catch air and increased the air flow past the cooler by 50% over the stock cooler itself!!!! Something I would have thought the other covers should have done. So this cover not only is better than the other covers, it produces more airflow past the cooler than the stock design!!!!!! |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-20-2004 08:57 PM
1 This message has been edited by mapkram on 02-22-2004 at 11:20 PM |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-20-2004 09:03 PM
The covers/designs are my artists renderings of the logos. They are not copies. Does this create a problem? I just did not like the boring looking tranny covers out there and tried to create something to really dress up the back of the cat. |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-20-2004 09:08 PM
PS They are too expensive to make too many anyway. I only made them because someone had seen pics and asked to make a couple for them and I did a couple extras. Once the couple you see above go away you won't see anymore because I have/own the design on disk. |
TFischer POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas, USA |
posted 02-20-2004 09:19 PM
mapkram: As long as you have copied the logo and it's not changed by at least 15% you are in fact violating DC's trademark on their logo - which they own. Unless they have given you licensing rights it can't be reproduced for sale without infringing on their trademark. |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-20-2004 09:26 PM
Who determines what is 15%? I had to change the lettering to allow the P O & E to hold the center portion of the letters. The Other letters are my artists renderings........ the cats are not identical for similar reasons, plus I added the oval slits for increased airflow....... so I would say that it is far greater than 15% different. |
TFischer POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas, USA |
posted 02-20-2004 09:38 PM
Here you go: Straight from the US Code - I would say you are definitely in violation. Trademarks are generally distinctive symbols, pictures, or words that sellers affix to distinguish and identify the origin of their products. Trademark status may also be granted to distinctive and unique packaging, color combinations, building designs, product styles, and overall presentations. It is also possible to receive trademark status for identification that is not on its face distinct or unique but which has developed a secondary meaning over time that identifies it with the product or seller. The owner of a trademark has exclusive right to use it on the product it was intended to identify and often on related products. No other person has the right to use such mark in commerce either in the identical form thereof or in such near resemblance thereto as to be likely, when used on or in connection with the goods of such other person, to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive. Your use of the logo is definitely a "near resemblance". |
sexlessape Prowler Enthusiast From:Santa Barbara, CA |
posted 02-20-2004 10:11 PM
(add IANAL disclaimer here, but I have applied for and am the owner of US trademarks) While yes, the similarity clause is applicable, an important thing to remember about trademarks is that each individual trademark is registered only for a particular class of goods. There's a whole variety of trademark classes that roughly seperate goods and services into categories that a reasonable person would not confuse. For example, if you register a word mark "Mr. Trash" for a line of trashcans, you're only protected for trashcans and other items that fall under that class. If I wanted to make a line of blue jeans and call it "Mr. Trash", it's OK...a consumer probably wouldn't confuse a trashcan and a pair of jeans so there's no trademark violation. When companies are registering trademarks, it's common practice for them to register multiple trademarks in different classes at the same time. Extending the hypothetical, if when I start making trashcans I think a t-shirt line would be a natural extension, I'd be sure to register "Mr. Trash" for both circular files and clothing. All that being said, since Chrysler is in the business of manufacturing automobiles, automobile parts, clothing, and also have a lot of money (making the applicatin fee negligable...) I'd expect them to have multiple approved trademarks. I haven't checked it out personally, but I'm sure that they've got the auto parts class covered. You can verify the ownership and classes of trademark's with the USPTO online. This is also completely distinct from international trademarks. That's a separate registration process. But being a global company, I'm sure Chrysler has those covered as well. That said, I've got this great idea... Anyone want to start a line of Prowler shampoo if that class is still available? Forget bounce and health...it gives your hair that "I was just cruising around in a kick-a$* convertible for three days" tangled look that makes the men and women drool... ed |
TFischer POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas, USA |
posted 02-20-2004 10:15 PM
Ed: Being in legal I sometimes forget that I need to broaden my explanations - you are completely correct - but as you said - I'm sure DC has the automotive end of that wrapped up. Love the shampoo idea however!! LOL Tami |
sexlessape Prowler Enthusiast From:Santa Barbara, CA |
posted 02-20-2004 10:29 PM
Oh yeah, no offense intended and, of course, I think you were spot on I just figured I'd share my limited knowledge of trademarks in case it's helpful to anyone. (insert "about to rip off Monty Python" disclaimer here) And now for something completely offtopic...I wonder if I'm one of the only guys here with hair more then 1 ft. long that even has a frame of reference for shampoo or intimiate knowledge of just what even a single weekend with a Prowler can do to your hair ed |
Bob Miller POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Alexandria, Virginia, United States |
posted 02-20-2004 10:57 PM
I agree with the legal opinion of sexlessape here but I have ask how the Viper Club was able to produce the Prowler floor mats? Do you suppose they obtained a license? Also, I'm under the impression DC is not producing Prowler parts as much now. I thought Trademark patents were normally for 10 years. If so, how do we get parts? This is not the area of code I'm familiar with... Thanks. |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-20-2004 10:58 PM
Wow, all that for just trying to improve on something to make my cat look better and function better than what was available........ Since DC doesn't make one and I'm assuming has no intentions of ever making one....... and I only made a couple........................... |
TFischer POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas, USA |
posted 02-20-2004 11:01 PM
Bob: Anyone can make aftermarket parts for the vehicles as long as they don't use the logo on them unless they have a licensing agreement with DC to use it. The logo belongs to DC - so if he decided to make the tranny cooler cover without the logo on it that would be fine. I suppose that the Viper Club is doing it legally - don't know that for sure though. New laws were passed a couple of years ago and the trademarks are now for 70 years, I believe. I'm pretty sure that DC will have to continue to make parts for the Prowlers for 10 years though. T This message has been edited by TFischer on 02-20-2004 at 11:10 PM |
TFischer POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas, USA |
posted 02-20-2004 11:06 PM
quote: mapkram - sorry wasn't trying to beat you up over it - just wanted to explain the situation since the question was asked earlier - as long as you are selling something for a profit using someone else's logo you are asking for problems - especially since DC monitors this site. T |
sexlessape Prowler Enthusiast From:Santa Barbara, CA |
posted 02-20-2004 11:10 PM
Oh, yeah, "IANAL" = I Am Not A Lawyer I really don't know what corresponds to personal use and what corresponds to commercial use. I think the two are different, but I really don't know. If not, I'm already in trouble for drawing the crouching logo on my high school trapper keeper ed |
mapkram Prowler Enthusiast From: |
posted 02-20-2004 11:10 PM
you heard it here folks............ anyway, what you see is what you get. Once these couple are gone there won't be anymore. |
sexlessape Prowler Enthusiast From:Santa Barbara, CA |
posted 02-20-2004 11:19 PM
quote: (add DC w40*ing disclaimer here) Out of curiousity, does anyone know what DC charges for usage of the logo and/or name or where one needs to apply to use it? Since DC is steadily discontinuing accessories for our kats, I'd *love* if it could be made affordable to have 'matching' aftermarket parts ed |
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