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posted 11-11-2002 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whealy     send a private message to whealy   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by whealy
I’m looking for a way to heat my garage. I’ve seen what I would describe as heat lights in the oil change places (picking up a friend there, not any of my cars). It looked like a florescent bulb, but it really didn’t put off light but heat. Anyone know where I need to look to get one of these or something similar to heat a 400 square foot garage?

TIA

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posted 11-11-2002 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkburns     send a private message to jkburns   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by jkburns
I cannot directly help with a heating source, but I can offer my 2 cents:

Assuming you use your garage for your daily driver, and assuming you track snow into your garage during the winter, heating the garage (I'm told) could actually speed the oxidation process (a.k.a. rust). Your cold car (with snow) warms, the snow melts, the moisture drys, then back into the snow, then heat, then snow, then heat, etc, etc. This cycle, especially when there's salt and sand mixed in with the snow, could cause more harm than if the garage stays cold and the snow doesn't get a chance to melt.

I could be off my rocker, afterall, I bought a GOLD Prowler (oh no, now what have I started?!).

Other opinions?

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posted 11-11-2002 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Krehel     send a private message to Mike Krehel   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Mike Krehel
Whealy,

If you're worried about moisture, try putting a 60-100 watt bulb under the hood on 24-7. The heat from the bulb will keep it dry and prevent corrosion especially if you are using a car cover.

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I believe what you are looking for is called infrared heating. It hangs from the ceiling and is a long tube with a shroud around it. Large systems can be expensive but besides in floor heat they are about the only source of heating that I have found that actally warms the concrete along with the air. Unlike forced air heating where the concrete is still cold to lay on. That's one reason big shops use that type of heating, the cold coming up from the concrete floors thru the shoes is hell on the feet and body. If your crazy like me though, you'll just jack hammer your garage floor up and repour it with some in floor heating tubes and run it to a water heater in the garage.
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I know radiant heat ( gas forced through tubes ) is awesome. Coming from Michigan I know about trying to keep warm. How about what the bus stops use ? I think its electric.

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posted 11-11-2002 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whealy     send a private message to whealy   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by whealy
Wow, thanks for the quick responses. Let me try and clarify. It all seems so clear to me, but I didn’t explain too well. Here’s my garage :

It’s a big single bay car wash. I already have the heated water (looks like we have something in comment SuperVet!) and the cold water is softened. It’s in the 30’s around here and I washed the cat tonight. Warm water in the bucket and double shirts made it comfortable. But I assume I’ll be doing this in some lower temperatures. So I need a heat source for the garage when washing the car. So it has to be available with water in the “room”.

Hope that makes it a little clearer. Any additional advice is appreciated.

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Whealy
I've had a Detroit radiant heater (reverberay) in the garage for 2 years and IMO it is the best you can have. Thermostat, vented, instant or constant heat and quiet.
Worth checking out.

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posted 11-12-2002 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kraut     send a private message to Kraut   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Kraut
Hi Whealy,

I have a gas forced air furnace in my play garage. It's my play garage, because that's where I keep all my toys, including the Prowler. The garage is about 600 sq ft with a 15' ceiling. Because of the high ceiling, I have (3) ceiling fans to keep the air circulating. I usually only run one of them in the colder months when the furnace is on. The furnace is a 62,500 BTU "Cozy-DVCF653B", which can heat up to about 1000 sq ft with normal height ceilings. It is a wall mounted unit with direct through the wall ventilation and intake. It comes complete with everything you need for about $900. I am very pleased with this furnace and have experienced no problems with corrosion in the garage. You can check out the unit on their web site http://www.tanklesswaterheaters.com/counterflow2.html?AID=5747862&PID=235564.

On the other hand, the garage in my last house was a different story. I had a small gas space heater type furnace in there, with a standard exhaust stack through the ceiling. The exhaust system allowed cold air into the garage when it wasn't being used, which was most of the time. This was also my daily use garage, so it was frequently opened and closed and only heated when I worked out there. As mentioned by JKBurns, this caused serious corrosion problems in the garage, until I figured out what was causing it. Needless to say, this was not a good setup.

Good luck with your heating system, Kraut

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posted 11-12-2002 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
WhealyBars - I'm looking at the picture of your one bay. Is the ceiling a common area with the attic above the rest of the house? If so, do you have duct work in the attic or on the underside (basement or crawlspace) of your home? Let me know, maybe I can tell you a way without spending much $$$.

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I see some wood space above the brick. If the other side of this brick wall is the inside of your home, you can cut out enough space for an adjustable vent to be set in that upper wall. Hot air goes up and natural gravity flow and house pressures will allow some warm air to travel out into the garage to warm it up, when needed (adjustable vent - can be closed when not in use or needed). This would be a very inexpensive way to warm up the garage, with the system you have in the home.

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You can add 220 volt single phase radient base board heating easily and at a reasonable cost. The area that you live in has low electric rates compared to most areas. You can buy the units at stores like Lowe's and have a electrican install them.
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posted 11-12-2002 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     send a private message to Kimo   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Kimo
This is easy......
Buy a 1967 Shelby GT 500 and open the hood, start the engine and let it run 15 minutes.....You will need a fan to cool down the garage...I speak from experience :-)
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First I eat a can of saurkraut and beans...wait 15 minutes..

No seriously, One of my friends used to work on his car in the garage in winter with a type of kerosene heater that had forced air....I THINK it was called a jet hetaer...too long ago to remember. I just remember it was toasty.

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posted 11-13-2002 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for whealy     send a private message to whealy   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by whealy
AC,

Wow so many options. As for the garage, it was built next to my existing garage. The attic space is shared with the previous garage space. Unfortunately, that attic space is separate from the rest of the house so no duct work in it. You can kind of see that in this picture :

Now the existing garage does have part of the house living space behind it. About a 10 foot wide section runs the length of the garage behind it. That section of the house is on crawl with the other portion on basement. The crawl is only like 4 inches above the floor in the new garage. So I don’t think I’m going to get much from there into the garage although there is duct work in there. Typically that section of the living space is the coldest in the house so I really don’t think I want to take any heat from that. So I don’t think I have the setup you described available.

Kimo,

Shouldn’t I be able to just remove the seal from the hood and allow the heat to escape from the cat? That temperate difference noted in a previous thread should be helpful for me! I just got to figure out what to do with the Carbon dioxide!

All,

Thanks for your advice. Most of it I’m a little leery in exploring as I use this as a wash bay. There will be water everywhere. So mounting something sitting on the wall or free standing on the floor isn’t my first choice. I did pre-wire a water proof switch to install some type of ceiling mounted heat source figuring that would be the way to go. But not until I got the ideas here, did I find the proper search words to find some of these units on the web.

Now there is all sorts of attic space above this bay as we matched roof pitch from the house. I could put a unit up there that had vents in the ceiling of the bay to regulate temperature. I just assume that would be too costly. But it might help with the humidity level being too high in the summer issue that I’ll post in the spring. It’s like a cloud forms in there when it’s warm and I wash the cat. I did receive an email about window units that cool and heat. Didn’t really realize that there was an option to have both in one unit. While adding windows to the bay doesn’t seem like it would be a big deal, having the unit exposed to the hose would be.

Ah to have such “problems”. Thanks for your help. Keep those cards and letters coming…

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Yo Whealy,

Your garage addition is very similar to what I did at my place. Here are a few pictures of mine while still under construction. Unfortunately, I have no pictures of it since I finished it. You'll notice the furnace pictured in one of them. I maintain a temp of 58 degrees, and turn it up a bit higher when I work out there.

If you're concerned about getting water all over the walls when you wash the car, try using a larger nozzle to reduce the overspray. I don't wash mine in the garage because I have lots of other stuff out there, including several toolroom machines I don't want to get wet.

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My 2 cents:
I have not tried it, but a guy I bought one of my cars from lived in cold climate, and had two of these Oil-filled Electric heaters.
they are electric and have a thermostat and are safe, so he said.
he put one in front of each bumper and let it keep the air around the car near 50F.
I have seen them for $50-100, I think, at Farm stores, like Quality Farm and Fleet or TSC, if those are around you.

Things get pretty dry in the frozen winter up here, so humidity shouldn't be a big problem as long as everything is warm and dry to start with.

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posted 11-13-2002 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WildCat     send a private message to WildCat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WildCat
Bill, My 2 Cents

what are you wanting to achieve? maintain a temp and heat up when I come over to use it...LOL....or just warm it up a few times during the winter?

If you want to keep it warm and since you have water out there it would be a good idea to keep it in the upper 40's or 50's I would go with gas wall furnace as pictured. I had a unit like this in my 1st house. How close is the closest gas line?

If you just want to heat up every once in awhile you could get a ceiling hung electric unit, the easiest to install. A friend had one in his 24X24 and heated OK in the winter. Would need to have 220V available for it.

If you do not know heating and air guy let me know. One of the guys in local T/S car club has Heat/AC business and will treat you right.

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posted 11-13-2002 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whealy     send a private message to whealy   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by whealy
quote:
Originally posted by WildCat:
Bill, My 2 Cents

what are you wanting to achieve? maintain a temp and heat up when I come over to use it...LOL



Larry,

Hey a winter wash party sounds like a good idea. but who's going to come out for it?

Some good options here - thanks all.

This message has been edited by whealy on 11-13-2002 at 09:51 PM

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Kraut, you need one of these in that nice tall building, www.aresco.org .

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Whealy - thanks for the better picturs and info. My ideas will not work with your arrangement then,,,,,you'll need to use the other people's idea instead. Was trying to save you some $$,,, but not this time, sorry.

BTW - nice house and garages!!!

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Al, I originally designed the garage to accomodate a motor home, but plans have changed since then. I have a machine shop set up in the back and keep the Prowler and all the lawn equipment in the front. I have given the idea of a car lift some thought, but think it would only get in the way and make getting the car in and out too cumbersome.

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