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posted 09-10-2002 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NITEMAN     send a private message to NITEMAN   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by NITEMAN
Last night I took my wife grocery shopping and while she filled the basket I went to the magazine rack as I always do to keep up on the automotive news. Is it just me or does it seem to you that whenever a car magazine evaluates a Chrysler product (especially the Prowler) they hit you over the head with all the negatives and somewhere near the end begrudgingly admit the good points? For GM or Ford it seems to be just the opposite. Anyway, I read an article about the Chevy SSR finally getting ready to hit the showrooms. After scanning through the first THREE PAGES of how great this vehicle is I found the two or three paragraphs of honest disclaimer. Now mind you I like the SSR. Just would not buy one.

The SSR concept chassis had to be scrapped for cost.
It will be built on an existing SUV chassis.(Blazer I think)
It will miss its targeted weight....by about 1000 pounds.
The engine will not have over 400 horses....instead 290.
It will scorch the pavement to 60mph in a blistering 7.5 seconds!
Furthermore it will zoom through the quarter in 15.6!
It will miss the 30,000 dollar target price. Base price for now is 38,500.00 and might be higher.
The V-8 will sound like a V-8 though. They got us on that one!

Am I missing something here? Oh well, I scanned the first test of the PT Cruiser turbo with automatic. 0-60 in 7.2 and quarter mile in 15.1 and the stick will be even quicker.
Of course I had to pry that out of the end of the article.

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The SSR might start out at first with the 290 H.P. engine but not for long, the SSR is to run for five years and they will sell a lot more of them then the Prowler ever hoped to. You might think that's o.k because that makes the Prowler more rare, the prices that Prowlers are going for doesn't say much for being rare.

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Reminds me of the info we got on the Howler (next prowler concept car) that had a V-8.

It weighed more, cost more, had a v-8 and a stick and it's 0-60 times were worse then the prowler. Go figure.


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quote:
Originally posted by NITEMAN:
The SSR concept chassis had to be scrapped for cost.
It will be built on an existing SUV chassis.(Blazer I think)

very typical in these times, they all do it.

It will miss its targeted weight....by about 1000 pounds.

most people will not care, so GM doesn't either.


The engine will not have over 400 horses....instead 290.
It will scorch the pavement to 60mph in a blistering 7.5 seconds!

What were the times of the PT's and dealers couldn't keep them in the showrooms. Most people will not care.

Furthermore it will zoom through the quarter in 15.6!

ditto!


It will miss the 30,000 dollar target price. Base price for now is 38,500.00 and might be higher.

Ironically, that was something like the original prowler price tag. Expect the first hundred or so to go for ALOT more then that. early 97 Prowler's were in the 100's

The V-8 will sound like a V-8 though. They got us on that one!

Lost of aftermarket stuff for GM v-8's too.

I think most car rags are owned directly or indirectly by various car manufacturers and it is obvious with their bylines and testing. Automobile is a Chrysler rag and Motor trend is a GM one....they all do it.


Am I missing something here? Oh well, I scanned the first test of the PT Cruiser turbo with automatic. 0-60 in 7.2 and quarter mile in 15.1 and the stick will be even quicker.
Of course I had to pry that out of the end of the article.

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They will sell more units because GM/Chevy will advertise it, something DC didn't do with the cat. The first real job I had, I had to drive one of those old Chevy pickups. I hated the sight of them back then, and still do now, but the potential with the V-8 is there to work with. JMO
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well it's like my guy's say about fords (i love them as work trucks) chevy's well they sink like a rock!
the reason you find so many chevy parts out there, where do you think they get the parts?
fisher price has to get rid of all there old toys you know
(ha, ha)
seriously though chevy people are die-hards, i love allot of there cars because they do make a very good product, but it's a matter of taste?
and when it comes to car shows, it's kind of funny when they lose!
can't wait when car is done because corvette Z06, it just mind as well stay home! too slow!
and no way as kool as the cat, it's kind of like the patriots we won the superbowl, and got no real respect, well after last night against a very good team, hopefully things will change.
as far as the ssr looks sharp and should be a real hit, but chrysler/plymouth really started this fancy trend and the rest are jumping on the bandwagon

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I don't think the SSR is going to do all that well. It's not a very good looking truck. It's just a glorified El Camino.
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Niteman,

You are Right. All the articles writen basically say the Prowler is "all show and no go". I think it is because of the lack of a V8. The Prowler actually has pretty decent performace.

The question I have is: how does GM or FORD make a V8 go that slow?

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GM will probably make 80,000 units of the SSR and in 3-5 years re-introduce the Crap-maro (Camaro) and/or Firebird.
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I bought the car because I liked the style, the cool looks! I had a 2002 Vette V-8 350, lots of power. The C5 does not have a classic look and wont become one. The Prowler does not have the horsepower like the Vette. I like the exotic looks and it will always will be a classic. It runs super and my 10 year son and I have a blast in it!
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It will miss the 30,000 dollar target price. Base price for now is 38,500.00 and might be higher.

Ironically, that was something like the original prowler price tag. Expect the first hundred or so to go for ALOT more then that. early 97 Prowler's were in the 100's[



It sounds to me like they were saying that the sticker price set by the manufacturer will not hit their target price of $30,000. It's a given that the dealers will be asking more as they have done with every other car of this type.

Chrysler stuck to their pricing plan on the Prowler. Their goal was to keep the pricing under $40,000. Sticker on Prowler was $39,000 plus tax and freight. Unfortunately, unscrupulous dealers asked and continued to demand outrageous prices for the car.

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Your right CJ, right now there a dealer in Hemet CA asking 74K for a Prowler! A Deep Candy Red with painted flames.

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I guess my post sounded like I was putting down the SSR. Really I like the SSR and I also like even more what Ford did with the T-bird. I just think it is funny that when both of these vehicles were introduced they were compared to the Prowler. I don't know how many times I read that the Prowler is not a true hot-rod because it doesn't have a V-8.
Also how underpowered it is. None of this mattered to me and I agree with YellowFever, if I was going to buy the SSR the performance wouldn't matter to me either. My point is they didn't need to hype these vehicles by trying to diminish the Prowler, especially when neither vehicle has ended up being a real performer.
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I've also heard that as cool as everyone thinks the SSR is......that the production piece is not exactly the same and does not live up to the concept piece. They never build a vehicle EXACTLY as the concept pieces, Prowler was the same......changes to that also....sometimes those changes are for the better........sometimes not.
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You hear that statement lots about it not being a Hot Rod because of the V6, what a joke! just jealous people making noise. I have a friend who builts hot rods for a living he did a 34 Ford pickup for himself used a fully polished
aluminum V6 Olds engine on lots of engine trophies for it.

I like the SSR hope it comes out close to the concept, the dealer down the road will be getting 1 soon so I will get to see it in person. One thing that will be interesting is the colours they will chose next year.

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My friends that are GM die hards are very upset with the decisions that GM is making on their products. For example the (supposed) end of the Camaro and Firebird. I think GM will still sell plenty of SSR's but have lost many potential customers who are performance oriented (as did the Prowler). For me there are two cars that have been built that are rolling sculptures. The Prowler and the 1937 Cord. While cruisng from CO east with other Prowlers and riding off the rear quarter in the next lane I was really taken with how beautiful this car is rolling down the highway.

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Rich you couldn't have hit the nail on "the head" any better than that last statement. Only a true lover of our
Kat's could make that statement. At Deadwood's twilight cruise from Crazy Horse I was towards the back of the pack. I'll never forget the feeling of looking at that big long snake winding along the highway.

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For that kind of money I would get a F-150 Lightning any day. Faster than a kat and much cheaper. Takes well to NOS and some mods too.

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Don't compare a Kat with a TBird, I have one. They're just a normal car that happens to have two seats, fair trunk space, very low tech, absolutly no headroom whatsoever and, all in all, a sort of average but very uncomfortable car which I will be selling next month. 3K miles are enough!
My Prowler is much more comfortable and actually better made.
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POA Gang,
For what it's worth, I have a 2001 C-5 convertible along with my new Prowler. While the " vette " is a very nice car,
I think from a styling perspective, the Prowler wins by far !
In respect to the V-8 issue and horsepower, the speed limit
is a mere 70 MPH anyway. If I had to choose between the two,
I'd sell the "vette". Guess that's why I belong to POA, and
not any "vette" clubs.

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I think the SSR is a silly attempt to jump on the retro bandwagon. I like it, but it STILL might not make production and it is over a year late already.

NOTHING compares to the Prowler!

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Niteman,

You are Right. All the articles writen basically say the Prowler is "all show and no go". I think it is because of the lack of a V8. The Prowler actually has pretty decent performace.

The question I have is: how does GM or FORD make a V8 go that slow?



It's funny that I will read and hear about the V-6 in the Prowler being anemic/pathetic/weak but has anyone here ever driven an automatic Corvette with the base gearing? You want to talk about unsatisfying. The same goes with any Mustang or F-Body with an auto and base gearing. The stock Prowler is not too shabby, but just like any other car, it can be modified to go faster or be quicker. I don't think some people realize this and just look at numbers and specifications on paper.

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Anyone who criticizes the Prowler just wishes he had one....Sour grapes!
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I thought the SSR concept looked pretty good and when I heard that it was going to come with a 300+ horsepower v8, I was even more interested. Then I saw that the production version was only going to mimic the concept car and was going to come with 275 hp and performance times slower than both the Prowler and Thunderbird, I lost interest quickly. Like someone else mentioned, I think the production version looks like a glorified El Camino. I give Chevrolet credit for attempting to go outside the box and design a different type of vehicle. But I feel the production version SSR is not going to be too special. I bought my Prowler because of the styling, and because the styling was different than anything else on the road. After 2 1/2 years of ownership, I still feel the same way. I do not think I could say the same for the SSR.

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Originally posted by Silver Cat 01:
It's funny that I will read and hear about the V-6 in the Prowler being anemic/pathetic/weak but has anyone here ever driven an automatic Corvette with the base gearing? You want to talk about unsatisfying. The same goes with any Mustang or F-Body with an auto and base gearing. The stock Prowler is not too shabby, but just like any other car, it can be modified to go faster or be quicker. I don't think some people realize this and just look at numbers and specifications on paper.


You are correct. It is a blast making believers at the track. One TransAm guy last night (that I had just beat his fastest time by .17 sec in the 1/8 mile) said "yeah, but your not stock" I asked him if he considered his RamAir, exhaust and computer chip stock? Then I beat the times of both the C5's and an '82 Supercharged Vette also.


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