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SasyMama

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posted 06-21-2001 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SasyMama     send a private message to SasyMama   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by SasyMama
Hi All,
After speaking to several high profile car brokers, "note I am not saying car dealers", there seems to be a nose dive on the resale value of the Prowler...something fierce. Actually on all exotic cars in general, but none worst than the Prowler.

I know car brokers I have dealt with for a long time on other cars, including classics and exotics, and now they won't touch a Prowler unless they can pay dirt for it, and I mean dirt. I just sold my Black Tie, (can't say how much) but for an amount I am not very happy with. Any Vettes, Porsches, or even the Viper I have had at one time, never came close to the resale return of the Prowler.

The reason: It is as plain as this, everyone is dumping the car. Don't ask me why. If you look at Autotrade.com there are close to 400 new and used ones for sale now. Usually you would see about maybe 40.

Yes, the economy is not what it use to be. But the cost range of what the car is, it should not effect the ones that can afford to buy it. What I was told what it boils down to is the market now is putting the value of the car where it should be, not an inflated DC price.

The recent reviews have not helped the car as was stated by one person that buy and sell these car everyday. He said that a lot of customers state the car is the sharpest on the road but the quality for the price is not good.

OH well, just some food for thought.

This message has been edited by SasyMama on 06-21-2001 at 03:45 PM

deelmakur
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posted 06-21-2001 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deelmakur     send a private message to deelmakur   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by deelmakur
Mentioned this a few weeks ago on another thread. The primary buyers for used exotics are usually the same people who are most affected by economic contractions. Younger, and junior in the workplace. It's not the car...it's the economy.
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posted 06-21-2001 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quicksilver     send a private message to Quicksilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Quicksilver
Hey Sasy you've got to admit it sure is fun buying and selling cars though!


Muz

Still looking for a great deal on a Viper! I'm not getting screwed this time (I Hope)

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posted 06-21-2001 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HiHoSilver     send a private message to HiHoSilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by HiHoSilver
IMO, it's a gorgeous car with a VERY LIMITED audience that would want one. More so then other cars that have a trunk or more h.p. or don't leak....
It's not a very practical car. It's more on the toy side.
Don't get me wrong, I love em but, most can't afford a 2nd or 3rd play car and that is what this is.
I suspect the buying market has already been saturated with those that could buy the toy.

My too sense....

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SasyMama

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HiHoSilver
You took the words out of the month of a a DC dealer in Michigan. He said the same...to to to saturated now.

I would think the since DC has an overflow of stock now, they should slow production now. Hope they read this.

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posted 06-21-2001 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HiHoSilver     send a private message to HiHoSilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by HiHoSilver
The funny thing about this car is that people either love it or hate it (no middle ground). I've never seen anything like this.

My wife is not fond of them. She put up with them because I loved them but she was ecstatic (to say the least) when I sold the last one.

I also noticed that any old car without fenders looked like a prowler to her. Others made that same comment. I guess the car kinda evokes some sort of tunnel vision when it comes to styling.

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posted 06-21-2001 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger     send a private message to Roger   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Roger
Does anyone know the market status of the PT Cruiser? Can those be acquired now for MSRP.
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posted 06-21-2001 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
Roger - Still MSRP in Phx. I've heard afew hundred off window in LasVegas area?


Gas dropped to 1.51 today in Phx.

Think I'll order a new Saleen S7 now...............

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posted 06-21-2001 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PaulR     send a private message to PaulR   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by PaulR
Probably a $1000 off sticker here in Dallas at several dealers have them sitting on the lots.

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While I am not known for my serious replies on this board, I have chosen to make one on this important subject so please bear with me. The Prowler is a misunderstood car! For the most part a good deal of the perspective potential buying public does not know about the car.

The original die hard hot rodders that had significant interest in the car, and the initial "cult" followers, have already purchased one by now if they wanted too. In that sense, the market is indeed saturated.

The potential buyer that found the car interesting and intriguing as a "fun car" to own is discouraged by the callous attitude of many of the dealers towards trying to price gouge anyone interested in wanted to purchase a Prowler. In that sense the market is untouched but tainted. It is often said, that greed kills and in this case it has helped to kill a car.

Chrysler would have to support the car through agressive marketing to once again create interest. I sincerely believe that the volume level of potential sales is too low to do that.

An attractive lease package, or a low percentage financing arrangement, in concert with a strong emphasis on the dealers to sell the car for no more than MSRP would have done wonders to reduce the growing inventory. Throw a trailer in on the deal at MSRP and everyone might be surprised by the results generated.

Lastly, Chrysler should court the present owners to encourage them to bring another potential owner into the fold. Instead, in many instances they have in fact shunned the current owners by doing myoptic things that reflect their complete lack of concern for the owner.

Marketing is a true science and without it a product never reaches its true potential. This is the case with our Prowlers. To own one is to love one, but you can't generate interest when you don't know about the car.

Scot

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Sandy and I went into Jo-Ann Fabrics tonight to get some things to improve the flags. I took a flag into the store with me so we could compare color, etc. The woman there knew a lot about the cars and wanted to know how far I had to travel to get one. She has never seen one in person. The car dealer a block away had a black cat when I bought my 99 Red in April of 99. This woman has never even seen a Prowler and stated, I guess you have to go to a big city to buy one. Marketing dropped the ball on the car. I have stated this at least 5 times previously on this site. Almost every day someone will ask "how long did you have to wait to get it?" They think they cost $ 80,000 and there is a 3 year wait. How many ads have you ever seen for a Prowler in a magazine? If the market is that bad now, maybe we all ought to buy another one or two! I'm not selling so I didn't lose a dime.
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posted 06-21-2001 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
Scot - I am amazed that you do have a serious side Your post was very well written.


Ed - I also will not lose a dime on mine! I think many expected too much of the cat when buying it. Probably bought on impulse, instead of researched facts, and would now never admit that human weakness. I researched the cat against a 2000 Corvette before buying. The Corvette is faster, more features, more car, and probably better built, but I had already owned one Corvette and there are hundreds of thousands of them out on the streets. It all came down to the word "Zen" - the Prowler won out!

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You cannot sell a car without Marketing and decent color's... something the Prowler lacks, whoever the brain kids were at DC< they are no longer around, or became brain dead.

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I said it A LONG TIME AGO and I will say it again - all it would take is a week-long television campaign (find the prowler in your area - or something) to produce interest in the car AND not letting the dealers gouge. IF you could get the two to work together - they would not be able to keep them on the floors.

Even better - if the dealers that had one in stock were to put an ad in the weekend edition of their local paper AND STATE THAT IT IS MSRP - the would sell right then and there.

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Well, I don't get it? If a product line is not selling how /why do you continue to build inventory? How do you pay expenses--Labor,power(elec.)ect... and still see a profit?? I don"t think D/C is rolling in dough with the economy being what it is. There's only so many ways to cut corners and stay profitable. How do they do it with Prowlers? As I said, HOW? Just my $40,000 question.
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Here is my tow cents worth, I could buy any car I wanted. I have in the past and could do it again today, check book in hand.
I bought a Prowler, I think it is awesome. I don't care. When the dealer gets an orange one I am buying it.
PROWL ON BBROTHERS; FEAR NOT AS YE WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF CONFORMITY!

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posted 06-22-2001 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HiHoSilver     send a private message to HiHoSilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by HiHoSilver
quote:
Originally posted by cwatsonjr:
I said it A LONG TIME AGO and I will say it again - all it would take is a week-long television campaign (find the prowler in your area - or something) to produce interest in the car AND not letting the dealers gouge. IF you could get the two to work together - they would not be able to keep them on the floors.

Even better - if the dealers that had one in stock were to put an ad in the weekend edition of their local paper AND STATE THAT IT IS MSRP - the would sell right then and there.


I've said it before and I'll say it again, while I love the prowler, it's a TOY car. It seats two, there is no trunk, alot of them leak, and while some may, it really isn't an everyday car.

That by itself severly limits the audience that would even entertain the idea of buying one regardless of price. The fact is, most of us are fortunate enough to be able to afford multiple cars and can keep this one in the garage for sunny Sunday's. Most people can only afford transportation and this vehicle severely fails in that category.


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Joe Rad
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posted 06-22-2001 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Rad     send a private message to Joe Rad   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Joe Rad
Prowler value from www.edmunds.com today:


1999 Plymouth Prowler 2 Dr STD Convertible

Trade-In Private Party Dealer
$34,014 $35,607 $38,261

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posted 06-22-2001 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lance.d     send a private message to Lance.d   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Lance.d
Sassy,

As a dealer, I disagree with this thread. We sell our prowlers and have not had a problem with it. I don't price myself out of the market, its that simple, and never have. So will you get 48000 for you car probably not, I know you have done some stuff to your car, but that it not a huge attraction when someone can buy a new one from a dealer for the same price maybe alittle lower. Just keep your head up is all I can say.

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posted 06-22-2001 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cnote6     send a private message to cnote6   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by cnote6
Im just glad they built the Prowler, What would you be in if they did not produce the car?

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posted 06-22-2001 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeWare     send a private message to BeWare   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by BeWare
Some food for thought. Do you think the release of the PT Cruiser Hurt Prowler Sales? Introduction of retro styling at half the price.

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posted 06-23-2001 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
OOPS

This message has been edited by ed monahan on 06-23-2001 at 01:47 AM

Lance.d
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posted 06-23-2001 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lance.d     send a private message to Lance.d   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Lance.d
I don't think the pt hurt at all, totally different market although some here have pts, i'm sure. I think over saturation of market , poor color choice, lenght of time the prowler has been around with no major changes except color, and topsy turvy economic market. (rates up , rates down, dow up dow down)

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One of the owners at our event this morning says he stoppped by a dealer out by him and there were three Blue Prowlers on the lot. He asked what they were asking, he noticed the sticker says $46,500.00, and they said their asking $50,000.00. They claim they had three Orange ones last month and sold two to one owner and the other to another person. They seem to be still moving???

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quote:
Originally posted by Lance.d:
I don't think the pt hurt at all, totally different market although some here have pts, i'm sure

I've found a number of dealers willing to take $1000 + off the sticker of PT's. Quite a change from the over sticker attitude several months ago.

No car is immune from this slump right now.

What any dealer asks and what they get are two different things.

I'd also be real surprised if any Houston Dealer is getting sticker for any car, much less a prowler. Back when prices were high (1.5 years ago) I bought a 2000 Silver prowler in Houston that had a sticker on the windshield of $60K. I offered $44K and they took it with no arguments

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