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Alex11
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posted 06-08-2001 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alex11     send a private message to Alex11   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Alex11
I found this review of the prowler. Here is a quote:

"First off, let me tell you that the Prowler frightens as speed increases. The shaking that is constant at low speeds and idle becomes pronounced at anything above about 50 miles an hour. Both hands must tightly, and I mean white-knuckle tightly, grip the fat steering wheel unless you're on a marble road. So, venturing to 60 miles an hour and feeling the Prowler dance all over the empty back road, I jammed down hard on the brake pedal.

Oooops.

Instantly, all four wheels locked up and blue clouds of rubber-burning smoke from the front tires obscured my view and filled the Prowler, which had begun to turn sideways and drift into the oncoming lane.

I gently released the brake pedal and corrected the direction of travel.

I slowed and checked to be sure all bodily functions were still under my control.

No anti-lock brakes! On a performance roadster? In the year 2001? Are you kidding?

Not kidding. This is almost criminal (and I am not alone in criticizing Chrysler for omitting ABS—it's almost a universal criticism of this car). Get anti-locks on this thing mid-year, Chrysler. Right now. Even careful modulation of the brake pedal produced longish stops, much, much longer than a Corvette or Boxster or Audi TT. The Prowler will be dead last where safety is an important consideration."

Is this an accurate description of how a Prowler handles?

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posted 06-08-2001 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
No, However, it does tend to dance on bumpy roads. The braking is fine as far as I am concerned and handling is great on smooth roads.
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The brakes could be better but they do ok on dry pavement. The brakes could have been better on any car I've ever owned. But when I think of it if I didn't drive the car faster than my other vehicles, run and gun then stop, then the brakes would be perfect. I only drive the Cat when its sunny outside but this has nothing to do with the brakes. It will stop fine on wet pavement just don't tailgate. Do you tailgate on dry pavement? Don't tailgate on dry or wet pavement. People who need ABS shouldnt drive anyway. These are the same people who need bottled water. Want a real thrill then drive in a Chicago winter with a rear wheel car with no traction control and 50,000 miles on the tires. The bad drivers get stuck in the snow, the good drivers never get stuck.

The car handles fine up to 75 mph with the top up or down. Above 75 mph or so WITH THE TOP DOWN its gets a little interesting but its really more wind noise than anything else. With the top up at 75 mph the car is fine. At 90 mph its gets interesting but its ok. One hand on the wheel and one hand holding a Corona. Ooops. How often do you drive 90 mph? If you want to drive 100 mph or more then buy a Viper or Vette. But if you get hurt in an accident over 100 mph be prepared for the worst.

If safety is your #1 concern then don't buy a Prowler. Don't buy an Explorer either. Sell your Firestone tires. Get a carbon monoxide detector in every room of your house including garage and screened gazeebo. Don't smoke cigarettes or drink Jack Daniels. And for sure don't play hockey. Play cards but you might hurt the tendons and ligaments in your wrist. Be careful.

If you're thinking about a Prowler then buy one. The person who wrote the article that you referenced is giving you bad information. Again, bad information. For the third time, bad information. He/She is being melodramatic which a lot of trade rag authors do. I've had a few things published in my area of discipline and I embellish a little. Human nature....

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This message has been edited by NightProwler on 06-08-2001 at 09:05 AM

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posted 06-08-2001 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vipermad     send a private message to Vipermad   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Vipermad
Funny thing....I learned to drive WITHOUT ABS, and I seem to be doing OK without it now. Sure, it *may* be nice to have for some people....but I wouldn't let the lack of ABS keep me from buying! Having said that, most new Viper Owners (owning NEW vipers, not Vipers for the first time) are happy with their ABS...and I won't argue the numbers, I'll accept they are better....but I do love my car!!!

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posted 06-08-2001 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom     send a private message to Tom   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Tom
I have driven my Prowler at speeds of 80 to 90 MPH and didn't notice any untoward behavior. The suspension certainly is stiff and will dance on uneven pavement but this reviewer can't be a car reviewer and maybe should stick to taking blenders to their limits.
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I found most of the reviews I read before buying a Prowler to be false or exaggerations. Lack or rearward vision with the top up, rough riding, poor braking, impractical... I found no problem with any of these. I have been using my Prowler as my daily driver for the last year and a half and found it to be the most fun car I have driven and would go as far as to say that it is the almost perfect car for me(if it wasnt for the lack of storage space and the V6, I would say it is the perfect car).

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posted 06-08-2001 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CJ     send a private message to CJ   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by CJ
Alex11.......This is very inaccurate!

First of all, when Chrysler brought this concept car to production, it was not built to be a hot rod. Its intent was to be a fun, cruising car. It already had a "sports car", the Viper.

As always people will take any car (not just Prowler) to its limits and then expect it to perform to their expectations.

I don't find any "shaking" at any speed or idle and never have. Going over bad road conditions, such as "patched" and "pothole roads", it does "dance" somewhat, but then I don't find that to be any different than driving the same road in my Wrangler or PT or my husband's Durango. I have a black 99 and the suspension is a little stiffer, but I don't find it objectionable at all. Starting with the 2000 models, the suspension was changed to provide a smoother ride.

Personally, I don't like ABS. There are a lot of people who don't really understand ABS and don't really know how to use ABS correctly. To me, ABS is more for conditions such a rain or snow. I don't drive my cat in either of those conditions and I don't think you will find too many people who do.

Out of curiousity, who did this review? Go out and enjoy your car. Use common sense (something else that I find lacking in a LOT of people) just as you should driving any vehicle......

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I think if the guy was a sports car reviewer and he stepped into the Prowler with high expectations, he would have been disapointed. On a bumpy road the Cat does leave a little to be desired, but nothing I cant get used to. The front end braces helped here. The brakes are better then a lot of the cars I've had. I had a 65 GTO that used to slide by Parkway exits regularly. All things considered, I have accepted our car's shortcomings and the trade-offs are OK with me.

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I think the person who wrote that revieve has never experienced life like we all have. He can't afford a CAT. He's Jealous ect. thats just my take or he's one of those HOT RODDERS that hate our cars and boy out here where I live there are lots of those people. Sure it's a little bumpy on rough roads but what cars with our suspention aren't. I took the car up to 250 klm one day and it was quite an experience only because I asked myself what the heck are you doing and why, it was fine no real swaying or such and then i put the brakes on firmly and I was impressed at how it slowed down nice and even.

I really don't care what anyone says about the Prowler because 95% of the people that complain about them or pick them apart can't have one so they have nothing better to do than make themselves heard.

All I know is that you have to break the smile on my face with a jack hammer day after I park my Cat for the day, well enough of my rambling for now hope everyone has a great weekend and TGIF.....

PK

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posted 06-08-2001 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for STARFLAME     send a private message to STARFLAME   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by STARFLAME
Hello Alex11,
As I have STATED BEFORE:

PROWLER Are PRICELESS
Ownership

WAY KOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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posted 06-08-2001 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NightProwler     send a private message to NightProwler   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by NightProwler
After reading everyones comments to the subject question I agree with all of the responses. The person who wrote that article did a poor job. Get the person's email address and his/her's bosses name and email address. I want to write an article and will attempt to see if I can get some space. I won't embellish. I will be accurate.

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This message has been edited by NightProwler on 06-08-2001 at 09:17 AM

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I have never locked the brakes up on my Prowler! When I drive on the Interstate, I tuck my left foot close the seat, rest My left arm on my leg, and hold the steering wheel at the 7 to 8 position. And not with a death grip either. The close ratio steering allows me to do this with excellent control. I cannot use this driving position in my Wifes 99 DeVille bcause I don't have the same feeling of control.
And why would anyone other than in an Emergency stop situation ever "Jam on the brakes hard" If your looking for problems you can ususally find (create)them. It appears this
guy was looking hard.

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Seems the guy is a WRITER, not a DRIVER!!!!
I have ABS brakes on a TA and wish I did not.
Don't believe all you read.

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posted 06-08-2001 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alex11     send a private message to Alex11   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Alex11
I am very glad to hear all this! Here is the URL for the full review:
http://www.rochester.rr.com/carplace/cars/01-chr-pro/01-chr-pro.1.shtml

Now I just need to get a test drive! This weekend is no good for me. When is the next Texas Prowler get together?

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posted 06-08-2001 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FL Phil     send a private message to FL Phil   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by FL Phil
I guess the six of us running around Death Valley at 95+ for 50-60 miles must have been a dream? Sure thought I was there. I've never had a steering or braking problem. The brakes could be better but are acceptable. ABS? personally I don't care for them, old fashioned I guess.
If the above statement is for real the car needed some serious work. Take any car with bad alignment, different tire pressure in each of the tires, put some air in the brake lines and you might get something like what this person experienced.

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posted 06-08-2001 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GPS John     send a private message to GPS John   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by GPS John
Well Phil, I know I wasn't dreaming at Death Valley,
especially when we took air (that was fun!)... heck
even JD can verify Harry's car had all 4 wheels off
the ground on one of the whop-dee-doo's since he was
BEHIND us... The funny thing about it though was that
the car handled great at those speeds and under the
"more extreme" road conditions we drove there...
I don't think the car has any problems in the handling
area, and show me car with a tight suspension that
doesn't bounce a little on rough roads. As for the ABS
being absent and braking the old fashioned way, the car
has plenty of stopping power, but the driver has to
modulate the pedal along with the "feel" for the road
conditions. "Jamming on the brakes" and drifting into
oncoming traffic? Sounds like that writer doesn't know
or care about responsible driving - alot like his writing
style... JMO

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posted 06-08-2001 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary C     send a private message to Gary C   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Gary C
JMO,

I HATE ABS.

If you know what you are doing as I do I can stop in a shorter distance.

Speeds over 110 the car becomes a hand full as the front fenders create LIFT, at 125 the car is almost floating, the car to me is a blast to drive at any speed. My Beetle at 142 is barely more stable. You need to pay a little more attention that is all.

ABS is totally cool if you drive in slick conditions all the time. Snow! Rain! Not really Prowler weather.

Enjoy

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posted 06-09-2001 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GPS John     send a private message to GPS John   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by GPS John
Has anyone written to the author of the article?
I did... I'm curious as to any responses you may have recieved from Mr. Bob Bowden.
(There is an email link at the bottom of his web pages to contact him.)

I'll post the correspondence I sent and received later...

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Whoever wrote that article simply does not have a clue in the world how to drive a car. ANY car that hits bumps that are bad enough will either hopp or bounce (if they have cushy shocks they WILL bounce, trust me) all over the road when the bumps are bad enough. Slamming on ones brakes when this happens is about as intelligent as backing up into your own garage door. Having vehicle's with ABS< I'm VERY glad the Prowler does not have them. If you know how to drive, regular brakes, NOT ABS brakes, are MUCH safer and can save your butt in an emergency. ABS brakes will not let you power slide out of an emergency but simply stop working so you cannot slide and POOF< you hit what you were trying to avoid!

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