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Bob Miller
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NEW YORK - There was a time when a big Chevrolet was considered cool. With fins, chrome and lots of style and flash, 1950s models like the Bel Air were made to be noticed.

"Chevrolet used to be the exciting affordable car," said Jim Hall with the automotive marketing consultancy AutoPacific.

Chevrolet is still affordable. But exciting? Not quite.

Today's Chevrolets, even executives at General Motors will admit, do not inspire pounding hearts and raw desire. The brand's most successful products, its SUVs and trucks, dazzle only through sheer size. Even otherwise good cars, like the Impala sedan, have the visual excitement of a decent sport coat.

Now GM is looking back to the 1950s for inspiration as it tries to recover from declining market share and a seemingly unbreakable reliance on cash incentives to sell cars.

Not that future Chevrolets will necessarily sprout tail fins or dozens of pounds of glittering chrome, but they won't look like every other car on the road.

"For a while there I think there was a feeling that people who bought Chevrolets cared about a lot of things but they didn't care a lot about design," said Tom Wilkinson, communications director for GM design.

Eye-catching design has certainly worked for the Chrysler Group of DaimlerChrysler. Cars like the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Magnum sell well without heavy incentives. Both cars are proportioned to look as if they could have driven straight out of a comic book.

But, those cars are not intended for mass appeal. They are designed for strong appeal among a relative few. The same can be said for GM's Hummer and Cadillac divisions, which have also used a more radical design approach to appeal to those who really want to stand out in a crowd.

But what about a car like the Chevrolet Impala, one of GM's most popular cars? Hundreds of thousands of Impalas are sold every year to consumers and fleet buyers like police departments. Are those buyers likely to want flash and style in their big family car?

"Something that's well designed doesn't have to be radically designed," said Wilkinson.

The change
Expect the change to start in the next couple of years.

While no images of the vehicles have been publicly released yet, a look ahead at upcoming Saturns and a look back at the classic Chevys of the 1950s gives an idea of the sort of thing Wilkinson is talking about. And, some experts say, it's just what Chevrolet needs in an era when building better cars just isn't enough.

Saturn, GM's youngest division, has always been known for a kind and gentle dealership experience with no-haggle pricing. It has never been known for particularly desirable or interesting automobiles.

Saturn's new line-up of cars, beginning with the two-seat roadster called the Sky, followed by the Aura sedan. The Vue SUV will also get a new, futuristic look and Saturn will be introducing a larger crossover SUV as well. Saturns are going to start looking very interesting. Much of the vehicles' design will be shared with GM's European Opel brand. The designs will be edgier and more artful than American buyers are used to seeing from GM.

Chevrolet will get things rolling with its own version of the Aura sedan, said Hall, who was treated to a peak at the new Chevrolet sedan. He called the new Chevrolet design even more striking than the Saturn.

The Saturn Aura shares its engineering underpinnings with the current Chevrolet Malibu. The next generation Malibu will be much more aggressive-looking, said GM's Wilkinson, who allowed that the current Malibu is "kind of blah."

Still, improved appearances won't be enough to succeed. Cars like the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Magnum, rear-wheel-drive cars with extremely powerful optional engines, are also fundamentally different from functionally similar vehicles in their price ranges. Also, from the standpoint of driving dynamics, they perform better than most cars they compete against.

Meanwhile, Toyota and other Japanese competitors are seen as having better quality and long-term durability than the Detroit-based carmakers. Although GM can legitimately claim to have narrowed the gap in quality against those competitors, that's been a tough sell with consumers.

"There's a lot of sour past experiences that the domestics are going to have to get through," said James Bell, publisher of the automotive consumer guide IntelliChoice.

Better design could be enough to get buyers to consider a GM vehicle when, in the past, they would have gone with a Toyota or Honda as, simply, a safer bet.

"It's a question of who's got the right car at the right time," said Bell.



DR PROWLER
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posted 12-14-2005 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DR PROWLER     
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Miller:

Now GM is looking back to the 1950s for inspiration as it tries to recover from declining market share and a seemingly unbreakable reliance on cash incentives to sell cars.




I guess GM has finally woken up and smelled the coffee...it has been a long time coming!
Thanks for posting!



pumpkin
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posted 12-14-2005 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pumpkin     
thanks.


Fat Pat
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posted 12-14-2005 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fat Pat     
I wouldn't hold my breath boys....by the time the bean counters get done with it, it will look like a Nash.


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posted 12-14-2005 07:47 PM           
NO guts NO glory..........GM got no guts and NO BALLS
...IMO nothing will happen........they'll just continue to lose money and build unattractive vehicles ......

This message has been edited by Dustis on 12-14-2005 at 07:49 PM

ed monahan
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posted 12-14-2005 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     
I hate to jump on the pile, but even the Vette lacks the great style that it used to have. Now it seems like they are afraid to change the style. They look pretty much the same as they did 20 years ago. The early ones changed drastically several times. The new ones are ho-hum in my opinion. The big changes that they announce turn out to be diff. taillights and a few minor tweaks.
No offense to the guys who like the Vettes. I still like the old ones.


Bob Miller
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posted 12-14-2005 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Miller     
Ed - I've never been much of a Chevy fan, but I have to respectfully disagree about the Vette. I think the body style introduced in 2005 is the best looking Corvette in over 20 years.

With the SSR they had the right idea, they just made it too dang heavy.

In my opinion, the rest of the stuff they make looks like crap.

I think significant styling change is absolutely essential if GM is going to be around in five years. At this point it seems change is more a matter of stark survival than just a marketing whim. I really hope they survive on their own, because I don't expect the federal government to bail them out.

Dustis
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posted 12-14-2005 09:04 PM           
LOL,
just look at GM's Latest "Gem" - the HHR

'nuff said !



ed monahan
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posted 12-14-2005 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     
Bob, what is diff. on the 2005 from the previous 20 years. I am not giving you a hard time, I just don't see it. They cut the back end off a little in 99 or so and then this model is supposed to be diff. too. I know they changed the side vent but I don't see much diff.
Educate me.


Bob Miller
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posted 12-14-2005 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Miller     
I admit the Vette is not a BIG change, as you said earlier, it's just that the lines on the '05 just struck me whereas the previous 20-25 years or so put me to sleep.


ed monahan
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posted 12-14-2005 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     
When they were hyping the change in 98 or 99 or whenever it was, I went to a dealership with great anticipation and was really disappointed. I did not see much change and actually thought it was regression, looking worse than the previous body style.


Randy Cobb
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posted 12-22-2005 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy Cobb     
I have never been a big fan of the modern vettes until I rode and drove an '05 and an '06 that two friends of mine have. They feel very solid and have a ton of performance for the dollar in my mind.

But....Just think of the sells of Vettes if they styled them along the lines of the one that Tangled did for his wife. Modern performance and true retro styling.

Larry - Please post a pic of this incredible ride.

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