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ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 |
posted 10-06-2005 09:59 AM
quote: 15" slicks,,,I believe |
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onecatnodog Prowler Junkie Posts: 5382 |
posted 10-06-2005 12:49 PM
Mike give Dean a break he has a new Baby and I know my wife would kill me if I would have left her alone with a new born. Next spring would give you viewers and racers both more time to prepare to have more cars show to compete or watch. My offer still stands for both to stay at my place and make it a King of Street event. Street driven cars with there owners driving to and from the track. Then do a turn around and compete in Texas so that it will be a double or nothing with both having a chance to race on the others turf with people down there having the ability to attend.. |
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Marty Usher Prowler Junkie Posts: 13833 |
posted 10-06-2005 12:54 PM
quote: I've already left a message for Beech Bend Park to see if I can reserve track time during the Louisville Event. One of our cruises goes to the Corvette Plant/Museum nd Beech Bend is at same exit. NHRA certified 1/4 mile track. We already were planning an evening at local 1/8 mile track but would change plans to accommodate a Dean/Mike showdown! |
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butchcee Prowler Junkie Posts: 7476 |
posted 10-06-2005 04:26 PM
excellent Mike--I'm jealous   |
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Marty Usher Prowler Junkie Posts: 13833 |
posted 10-06-2005 06:59 PM
Oh - I forgot - Louisville's altitude (at Bowman Field Airport) is only 546 feet above sea level so no corrections needed on time slips! |
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Marc-Colo-99 Prowler Junkie Posts: 1614 |
posted 10-06-2005 09:00 PM
Geeeze what is it with all these comments about time slips corrected for altitude. Taking potshots? I’ve lived and raced in Denver all my life and have never claimed an adjusted time for a run made at altitude. Those that do race here have always TALKED about adjusted times (NHRA provides adjustment tables for crying out loud) to get an idea of how much power they are making. But every racer I have ever encountered here (including all professionals I’ve talked with over the years) will use the adjusted times to scale their runs made at altitude. Of course they and we who race at over a mile high know there’s a lot more to duplicating that adjusted time at a lower altitude, traction being the most obvious as motors lose 3-4% of their power per 1000ft of altitude and thus gain that much power when taken to a lower altitude. Guys, conditions (density altitude) can vary greatly within a short period of time at any race track in the country affecting performance but when you start at 6000ft you are giving away 15% or more before you start to even think about density altitude. I measure density altitude and have kept records for every run and in the last 2 years 90% of the time the density altitude has been above 7500ft and as high as 9300ft. Only once have I seen it below 6900ft and that was on a 46 degree night. That all being said I do like to think/hope that I could run that adjusted 12second time at a lower altitude but have raced enough to know that for one, with street tires it’s very unlikely. Until then I’ll continue taking my car to the track at over a mile high and hoping not to break something just like the rest of you that race for fun. You can check out the Prowler Pro 5.0 at www.prowlerpro.com This message has been edited by Marc-Colo-99 on 10-09-2005 at 09:52 PM |
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Marty Usher Prowler Junkie Posts: 13833 |
posted 10-06-2005 09:12 PM
I would hope that this would be something that would be fun for the participants and fun for POA memebers to follow. I like reading about Prowler Owners having fun with their cars and drag racing is certainly one of the fun things people do with their cars. As far as the challenge goes, if a head to head race happens it doesn't matter what altitude the track is as they will both be there side by side. Marc - my point about Louisville only being at 546 was meant to show that BOTH cars would be able to run faster times than they would in Colorado, not that it would make one or the other car better. If this thing ends up getting POA people mad at each other, it would be a real shame. It should be a friendly race for bragging rights where both owner's have cars that blow the doors off the rest of POA member's cars so they both are winners anyway! If it gets too serious lets just invite a bunch of Corvettes, Vipers and other cars and whoop up on them! Oh wait - I already invited VEtte and Vioer Clubs to Louisville This message has been edited by Marty Usher on 10-06-2005 at 09:14 PM |
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Marc-Colo-99 Prowler Junkie Posts: 1614 |
posted 10-06-2005 11:14 PM
Marty, I agree this should all be for fun, however 4 times in this thread and more in other threads mention is made of altitude corrected times. Who are those aimed at if not those of us who race at altitude? Running faster times at lower altitude is a given. Drag racing is just that no matter where it takes place. The points awarded at the NHRA Mile High Nationals count just the same as those awarded at every other track.IMO bragging rights are way overrated. Dang, and our track is closed 'til next spring, maybe I'll have to make a trip to one of those low altitude tracks this winter.  You can check out the Prowler Pro 5.0 at www.ProwlerPro.com This message has been edited by Marc-Colo-99 on 10-09-2005 at 09:53 PM |
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Ray unregistered Posts: 1614 |
posted 10-06-2005 11:35 PM
Frankly, the way a "Fastest Car" is recognized by NCCC (National Council of Corvette Clubs) is that BOTH cars have to compete on the same track at the same event and at the same time for the results to be witnessed and, if for a "record drag" event, there is the motor tear-down to verify the "like for like" entrants actually competed. So to Marc's defense, shouldn't matter what someone runs in Denver, Dallas, Union Grove, WI or where ever ... what matters is when all entrants vying for the 'record' are in the same spot at the same time ... period. Beach Bend IS a nice track and have watched many a Corvette travel down that strip, and some even into the wall! Let the challenge take shape! Oh, I also would suggest that the car owner drive the car ... otherwise it is the vehicle that holds the record and NOT the person ... fair IS fair.  |
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SteelBlue01 Prowler Junkie Posts: 175 |
posted 10-06-2005 11:55 PM
The issue I see that's not as geographical is the skewing of any hoped for headsup engineering comparision between the two 5.0 cars if one is on nitrous and the other is normally aspirated. It is compounded at high altitude where any normally aspirated ride's A/F ratio and output are substantially hampered trying to suck in oxygen starved air, while a N2O car carries it's own bottled oxygen supply and forces it down the throat of the engine. Definitely no new news there, but if the goal of the majority of the interested parties is that of getting comparative real world results from the two shop's builds, it would be more indicative if Dean ran all motor or Mike added a comparable flow of N20. All of which is mute if the interest is just a run-what-you-brung ET battle. Personally I like heads up racing where whoever builds the mightest ride wins, but with these engines still in development and people trying to get a feel for who's accomplished what at this point I'd think it would serve a greater purpose and be more interesting if they agreed to each run NA or boosted to get a better comparison and then swing over to a run-what-ya-brung contest where anything goes... just a thought. This message has been edited by SteelBlue01 on 10-06-2005 at 11:58 PM |
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Mike Krehel Administrating Kat Posts: 3047 |
posted 10-07-2005 01:23 AM
Guys, please read my challenge to Dean above "Your stroker against my Westech stroker, both naturally aspirated". I still stand behind by it! This is not about who is the best driver, this is about how the two different engine builds perform under the exact same weather/track conditions. The timeslip should tell which build has the best ET. Yes, it's all about having some fun! By the way, Dean used to be an advertiser at ProwlerOnline and chose to not renew for 05. I felt it was a cheap shot for him to try and schlep his stroker motor package in this thread. ------------------ |
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Laddie Roussel Prowler Junkie Posts: 3463 |
posted 10-07-2005 05:17 AM
Mike. Congrats to Norm & Jim again on the tuning and new outstanding performance. As far as the Heads up race, I'll be hosting the 3rd Annual MOPAR/PROWLER vs CORVETTE Race Day at No Problem Raceway in Late Feb. 2006. This is the Annual Charity Event. I'll be hosting the 6th or 7th Prowler Drags along with the Event. No Problem is open year round. So, I can arrange track time anytime... I'll be attending Lousiville as well. George (SteeBlue01) not sure if your twin turbo will be ready end of Feb. But, you're invited... |
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Mike Krehel Administrating Kat Posts: 3047 |
posted 10-07-2005 05:41 AM
Laddie, Jim and Norm have been working it hard and are having an incredible amount of fun with the little six banger, even beating some of their previous hot V8 builds running with them at the track. As I posted in the other thread, Judy and I will definately be there and will help support the charity. No Problem Raceway is a first class track. We hope you made it OK through the last two gulf coast hurricane strikes, and god willing things will be back to normal soon! Best wishes, |
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Marty Usher Prowler Junkie Posts: 13833 |
posted 10-07-2005 06:52 AM
Laddie - Lindsay has already asked me if "we" are coming back to No Problem in February - so work schedule permitting we'll be there. I hope George shows up with turbo 300M stroker. It would nice to get some more Prowlers there also. I doubt I'll be repeating as Prowler champ in 2006! |
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BeWare Prowler Junkie Posts: 18511 |
posted 10-07-2005 09:47 AM
Laddie I hope to be able to make it next year. Too soon to commit. |
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TFischer Prowler Junkie Posts: 4913 |
posted 10-07-2005 10:19 AM
Laddie: Count on me being there - can't wait! Thanks again for putting this special event on!! T |
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SteelBlue01 Prowler Junkie Posts: 175 |
posted 10-07-2005 05:58 PM
Laddie, I solidly owe ya participation in your event down there. Someone cost me months of fabrication time this summer fabricating excuses rather than the M but it is fully back on track through other shops who are interested in being involved. The engine arrived a couple days ago and is at one of my customer's loading docks crated waiting for me to pick it up. I'd think there's no way it'll be either track ready or repainted by Feb and it'll be a heck of a push and a load of luck to make the start of the east coast nats later in spring, but keep the home fires burning cause when it's finished we will be looking to run with the best down there. |
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meancat Prowler Junkie Posts: 3635 |
posted 10-07-2005 06:51 PM
By the way, Dean used to be an advertiser at ProwlerOnline and chose to not renew for 05. I felt it was a cheap shot for him to try and schlep his stroker motor package in this thread. [/B][/QUOTE]
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SteelBlue01 Prowler Junkie Posts: 175 |
posted 10-07-2005 07:50 PM
Compare website claims from each: ProwlerPro - "Prowler Pro™ has been building high performance parts for Prowlers since 1999. Westech Automotive - "Your source for advanced automotive diagnostics and repair, chassis dynamometer tuning, complete precision machining, and turnkey performance packages." Westech has been an all brands general diagnostics and repair shop for years and is just now introducing it's first Prowler application(s). ProwlerPro has been Prowler specific for like six years. Whether vendors advertise or not may depend on their marketing savy or budgets so I don't know if it's a responsibility to advertise, but if there is an aspect of responsibility to support the endeavors of the market they're trying to reach, would there be as much question against a vendor who's just started in this market and is just now trying to get established, or on a vendor who's been in this market for years and reportedly stopped? Just the ponderings of a tired mind... This message has been edited by SteelBlue01 on 10-07-2005 at 07:51 PM |
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Ray unregistered Posts: 175 |
posted 10-07-2005 08:31 PM
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Black Tie 161 Prowler Junkie Posts: 3563 |
posted 10-08-2005 09:54 AM
That's cool! How long till it breaks into 11's? |
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01Prowler Prowler Junkie Posts: 5068 |
posted 10-08-2005 10:39 AM
quote: So maybe the same driver should drive both cars to make it that much more equal. What about Don Garlits, or John Force as designated driver? That would make it equal right?
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Why even bring up the advertising in this thread? Dean has been around for a long time, I'm sure the majority of people know who he is and what he does by now if he advertises or not. I thought this was about the cars not the drivers. I haven't seen Westech advertise here either. This message has been edited by 01Prowler on 10-08-2005 at 05:16 PM |
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halicat unregistered Posts: 5068 |
posted 10-08-2005 11:28 AM
If you get caught up in all the politics of this, the race ain't gonna happen.... cut the BS... the trash talk.... first car to win 2 gets the title... If the goal isn't "leaving the track with your opponents respect ".... JMO |
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jd2ksilver Prowler Junkie Posts: 4360 |
posted 10-08-2005 01:15 PM
Hali, They just want to start the politics, let it go. If they race, great, if not, no big deal. There will always be little Gary's on this board, lol. This message has been edited by jd2ksilver on 10-08-2005 at 01:15 PM |
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01Prowler Prowler Junkie Posts: 5068 |
posted 10-08-2005 05:00 PM
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JD, I know you're not one to beat around the bush, but can you clarify your post a little bit. Who and/or what is a little Gary? That can be taken several different ways. |
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