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Chromer
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posted 10-02-2005 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chromer     


"I don't know the man who wrote this, but I looked at his picture and read it with my mouth hanging open. He says things here that no white man could ever write and keep his job as a writer, and he speaks the truth. A new and improved Rev. Jackson? No, this is an honest man. Unfortunately, no solution is ready to hand but white liberalism shares the blame for having helped create this problem."

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Wednesday, September 21, 2005

Moral poverty cost blacks in New Orleans


Posted: September 21, 2005

1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


Say a hurricane is about to destroy the city you live in. Two questions:


What would you do?


What would you do if you were black?


Sadly, the two questions don't have the same answer.


To the first: Most of us would take our families out of that city quickly to protect them from danger. Then, able-bodied men would return to help others in need, as wives and others cared for children, elderly, infirm and the like.


For better or worse, Hurricane Katrina has told us the answer to the second question. If you're black and a hurricane is about to destroy your city, you'll probably wait for the government to save you.


This was not always the case. Prior to 40 years ago, such a pathetic performance by the black community in a time of crisis would have been inconceivable. The first response would have come from black men. They would take care of their families, bring them to safety, and then help the rest of the community. Then local government would come in.


No longer. When 75 percent of New Orleans residents had left the city, it was primarily immoral, welfare-pampered blacks that stayed behind and waited for the government to bail them out. This, as we know, did not turn out good results.


Enter Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan. Jackson and Farrakhan laid blame on "racist" President Bush. Farrakhan actually proposed the idea that the government blew up a levee so as to kill blacks and save whites. The two demanded massive governmental spending to rebuild New Orleans, above and beyond the federal government's proposed $60 billion. Not only that, these two were positioning themselves as the gatekeepers to supervise the dispersion of funds. Perfect: Two of the most dishonest elite blacks in America, "overseeing" billions of dollars. I wonder where that money will end up.


Of course, if these two were really serious about laying blame on government, they should blame the local one. Responsibility to perform “ legally and practically “ fell first on the mayor of New Orleans. We are now all familiar with Mayor Ray Nagin “ the black Democrat who likes to yell at President Bush for failing to do Nagin's job. The facts, unfortunately, do not support Nagin's wailing. As the Washington Times puts it, "recent reports show [Nagin] failed to follow through on his own city's emergency-response plan, which acknowledged that thousands of the city's poorest residents would have no way to evacuate the city."


One wonders how there was "no way" for these people to evacuate the city. We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise. You've probably seen it by now “ the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses, unused and underwater. How much planning does it require to put people on a bus and leave town, Mayor Nagin?


Instead of doing the obvious, Mayor Nagin (with no positive contribution from Democratic Gov. Kathleen Blanco, the other major leader vested with responsibility to address the hurricane disaster) loaded remaining New Orleans residents into the Superdome and the city's convention center. We know how that plan turned out.


About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.


President Bush is not to blame for the rampant immorality of blacks. Had New Orleans' black community taken action, most would have been out of harm's way. But most were too lazy, immoral and trifling to do anything productive for themselves.


All Americans must tell blacks this truth. It was blacks' moral poverty “ not their material poverty “ that cost them dearly in New Orleans. Farrakhan, Jackson, and other race hustlers are to be repudiated “ they will only perpetuate this problem by stirring up hatred and applauding moral corruption. New Orleans, to the extent it is to be rebuilt, should be remade into a dependency-free, morally strong city where corruption is opposed and success is applauded. Blacks are obligated to help themselves and not depend on the government to care for them. We are all obligated to tell them so.


The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is founder and president of BOND, the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny, and author of "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America."


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posted 10-02-2005 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
What a well written article,,,,true and to the point.

The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson,,finally a black minister who is not a 'poverty pimp'. I'd put him right up there with Bill Cosby in trying to tell the 'poverty society' where they are headed without change and education foremost. Cosby has been taking verbal hits from the black power threesome of Jackson, Sharpton, and Farrakhan,,,who are the ones responsible for advocating tax handouts for being lazy and stupid.

Thanks for posting Chromer,,,your right,,no white writer could have written that story without being fired.

It is NOT the role of government to protect you "personally"

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posted 10-02-2005 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catwoman     
~ wow ~

thanks for sharing this Chromer....not because I want to blast anyone but because we all need to see there are two (or more) sides to a story. I wonder where Bill Cosby is these days and what he's thinking?

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posted 10-02-2005 10:13 AM           
Posted this weeks back under .... Another Perspective ... from an unlikely source. << hmmm, was supposed to be a link to the thread ... oh well ... scroll baby, scroll ...


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Techniguy - 09-24-2005
http://www.techniguy.com/politics/

Things I have noticed while watching media coverage of the recent hurricanes.


1. Texas: Productive industrious state run by Republicans.


Louisiana: Government dependent

welfare state run by Democrats.

2. Texas: Residents take responsibility to protect and evacuate themselves.


Louisiana: Residents wait for government to protect and evacuate them.

3. Texas: Local and state officials take responsibility for protecting their citizens and property.

Louisiana: Local and state officials blame federal government for not protecting their citizens and property.

4. Texas: Command and control remains in place to preserve order.


Louisiana: Command and control collapses allowing lawlessness.

5. Texas: Law enforcement officers remain on duty to protect city.


Louisiana: Law enforcement officers desert their posts to protect themselves.

6. Texas: Local police watch for looting.


Louisiana: Local police participate in looting.

7. Texas: Law and order remains in control, 8 looters tried it, 8 looters arrested.


Louisiana: Anarchy and lawlessness breaks out, looters take over city, no arrests, criminals with guns have to be shot by federal troops.

8. Texas: Considerable damage caused by hurricane.


Louisiana: Considerable damage caused by looters.

9. Texas: Flood barriers hold preventing cities from flooding.


Louisiana: Flood barriers fail due to lack of maintenance allowing city to flood.

10. Texas: Orderly evacuation away from threatened areas, few remain.


Louisiana: 25,000 fail to evacuate, are relocated to another flooded area.

11. Texas: Citizens evacuate with personal 3 day supply of food and water.


Louisiana: Citizens fail to evacuate with 3 day supply of food and water, do without it for the next 4 days.

12. Texas: FEMA brings in tons of food and water for evacuees. State officials provide accessible distribution points.


Louisiana: FEMA brings in tons of food and water for evacuees. State officials prevent citizens from reaching distribution points and vice versa.

13. Texas: Media can’t find poor blacks in need of assistance, looking for something else to blame on Bush.


Louisiana: Media focuses on poor blacks in need of assistance, blames Bush.



14. Texas: Coastal cities suffer some infrastructure damage, Mayors tell residents to stay away until ready for repopulation, no interference from federal officials.


Louisiana: New Orleans is destroyed, Mayor asks residents to return home as another hurricane approaches, has to be overruled by federal officials.

15.Texas: 24 killed in bus accident on highway during evacuation, no storm related deaths.


Louisiana: Over 400 killed by storm, flooding and crime.

16. Texas: Jailed prisoners are relocated to other detention facilities outside the storm area.

Louisiana: Jailed prisoners are set free to prey on city shops, residents, and homes.

17. Texas: Local and state officials work with FEMA and Red Cross in recovery operations.


Louisiana: Local and state officials obstruct FEMA and Red Cross from aiding in recovery operations.

18. Texas: Local and state officials demonstrate leadership in managing disaster areas.


Louisiana: Local and state officials fail to demonstrate leadership, require federal government to manage disaster areas.

19. Texas: Fuel deliveries can't keep up with demand, some run out of gas on highway, need help from fuel tankers before storm arrives.


Louisiana: Motorists wait till storm hits and electrical power fails. Cars run out of gas at gas stations that can‘t pump gas. Gas in underground tanks mixes with flood waters.

20. Texas: Mayors move citizens out of danger.


Louisiana: Mayor moves himself and family to Dallas.

21. Texas: Mayors continue public service announcements and updates on television with Governor's backing and support.


Louisiana: Mayor cusses, governor cries, senator threatens president with violence on television, none of them have a clue what went wrong or who‘s responsible.

22. Texas: Republican Senator says "when you call 911, the phone doesn't ring in Washington, it rings here at the local responders".


Louisiana: Democratic Senator says FEMA was slow in responding to 911 calls from Louisiana citizens.

What if state and local elected officials were forced to depend on themselves and their own resources instead of calling for help from the federal government?

Texas cities would be back up and running in a few days.

Louisiana cities would still be under water next month.

Republicans call for action

Democrats call for help

What party will you be voting for in the next election?





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posted 10-02-2005 11:33 AM           
Chris....

that is awesome.....

great reporting...

ALLEY CAT
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posted 10-02-2005 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
cNote - right on the money

Those liberal, demos running that state for over 50 years,,,,, stealing from the federal government has been their main desire.

Noticed how the La. governor showed up in Congress last week demanding tons of PORK $$$ for the bailout,,,,,and then has the gull to request NOT answering questions directly about the hurricane, levee strength, or state plans to avoid a tragedy? What a disgrace!!!

MDProwler
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posted 10-02-2005 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MDProwler     
Oh how biased we are. You really think if it had been Houston that had gotten wiped out the shoe wouldn't have been on the other foot? Then New Orleans would have been the one prepared. And didn't a ton of people run out of gas on the highway because no one thought about the evacuees needing fuel? OOOPS! Why were the interstates gridlocked while the secondary roads were practically empty? Poor planning, that's why. I've read so many comments about how others handled disasters so much better than New Orleans. New York, Oklahoma, Pentagon, you name it. But never in the history of this country have we had a complete city destroyed. Their is NO comparison folks. Just one example: New York had a disaster covering blocks, New Orleans covering miles. New Yorks emergency workers(cops,fireman etc.)all converged on the disaster from there unaffected buildings. In New Orleans they were IN the disaster.

Everybody would have done it different(including myself)but we have the luxury of knowing how it played out. Let's just say Texas faired better becuase they saw the result of not being prepared.

Did they screw up down there? Absolutely. But it has nothing to do with politics, they just f***ed up. Period. Laying blame along party lines is as dumb as it gets.


Ya know, it's interesting when we bitch about negative campaigning during elections. Wonder where that comes from.

I do agree with the Rev. in first post though. The truth hurts sometimes.



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posted 10-02-2005 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KlasKat     
I have to thank Chromer for the his post and agree with most of the rest of them. I have several relatives who live in Baton Rouge and they have said for 50 years that the politicians were corrupt and it shows. I would say the difference in New Orleans and Texas IS they did have planning and followed through with what the local cities had set up. Yes, it was not perfect, people stuck in 14 hour traffic jams and running out of gas, BUT everyone did get out. I am sure the local people in charge will look at what went wrong and correct it for future emergencies, like opening up both sides of the freeways going out of the city. On the other hand New Orleans had very few plans ready, and did not follow any. Poor leadership and a case of "I'm out for just me". There is no excuse for what happened at the Dome. Just a complete breakdown of authority. I do hope the Fed's just help with clean up and do NOT just let the local politicians have billions to spend because it will not get to the people who need it. I also think this may be a Godsend in the long run, for many of the poorest this may be a chance to start a new life out of poverty and give them a new beginning for them and their families.

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AAAAAAAAAMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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ed monahan
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posted 10-02-2005 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     
Bill Cosby cancelled an appearance in Cincinnati because after the locals rioted, the local ministers called for a boycott. Cosby honored it. I lost a ton of respect for him. This was about 4 years ago.
His son was killed in a carjacking or something similar. You would think he would see the light a little sooner or a little brigher.


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posted 10-03-2005 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polioboy     
Again with the lies...

Here's the facts..

States that typically vote republican are the states that are more likely to:

1. Have a higher murder rate
2. Have higher divorce rates
3. Have higher occurances of teenage pregnancies (with Texas leading the way in this statistic)
4. Recieve more money for welfare
5. Are typically less educated
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n12_v94/ai_21020057 http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html http://www.teenpregnancy.org/america/statisticsDisplay.asp?ID=3&sID=18
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/92.html

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quote:
Originally posted by Polioboy:
Again with the lies...

Here's the facts..

States that typically vote republican are the states that are more likely to:

1. Have a higher murder rate
2. Have higher divorce rates
3. Have higher occurances of teenage pregnancies (with Texas leading the way in this statistic)
4. Recieve more money for welfare
5. Are typically less educated
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n12_v94/ai_21020057 http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html http://www.teenpregnancy.org/america/statisticsDisplay.asp?ID=3&sID=18
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/92.html


PBoy Let's examine some of your facts a little more closley. For starters let's start with the Divorce Rates. Your source is divorce statistics from 1994

Lets look at the Governor of the top 10 divorce rate states in 1994 and thier political affiliation at that time. Not based on which states voted Democrat vs Republican for George Bush in the last Presidential election.


1)Nevada Governor Robert Miller Democrat 1989 - 1999
2)Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker Democrat 1992-1996
3)Oklahoma Governor David Lee Walters Democrat 1991-1995
4)Tennessee Governor Ned McWherther Democrat 1987-1995
5)Wyoming Governor Mike Sullivan Democrat 1987-1995
6)Indiana Governor Evans Bayh III Democrat 1989-1997
7)Alabama Governor James G Folsom Democrat 1993-1995
8)Idaho Governor Cecil D Andus Democrat 1987-1995
9)New Mexico Governor Bruce King Democrat 1991-1995
10)Florida Governor Lawton M Chiles Democrat 1991-1998

I'll have to examine the others later. No more time right now


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posted 10-03-2005 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeWare     
Continuing looking closer
First the article says Federal spending. That does not mean all the money goes to welfare.

More money for welfare. Again from your source. Looks like 60% Republican 40% Democrat with 2 of the top three being Democrat and four of the top seven also being Democrat.


Top 10 federal Funding

1) Washington DC Mayor Anthony Williams - Democrat
2) North Dakota Governor John Hoeven- Republican
3) New Mexico Governor William Blaine Richardson - Democrat
4) Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour - Republican
5) Alaska Governor Frank Murkowski -Republican
6) West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin - Democrat
7) Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer - Democrat
8) Alabama Governor Robert R Riley - Republican
9) South Dakota Governor Michael Rounds - Republican
10) Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee - Republican

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BeWare
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posted 10-03-2005 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeWare     
Continuing looking closer

Teenage Pregnancy.

Six out of ten are Democrat. With the repiublicans heavy at the top five.


Your source is from the year 2000

Top 10

1) Washington DC Mayor Anthony Williams - Democrat
2) Nevada Governor Kenny Quinn - Republican
3) Arizona Governor Jane Dee Hull - Republican
4) New Mexico Governor Gary E Johnson Republican
5) Mississippi Governor Ronnie Musgrove - Democrat
6) Texas Governor George W Bush - Republican
7) Florida Governor Jeb Bush - Democrat
8) California Governor Grey Davis - Democrat
9) North Carolina Governor James B Hunt - Democrat
10) Georgia Governor Roy Barnes - Democrat


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posted 10-03-2005 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polioboy     
Are you posting the governors? Strange, I was basing my information regarding political affiliation based on how each of these state voted in the last election.

The mostcurrent divorce statistic available are even more are a little more depressing..
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

quote:
11 southern states (AL, AR, AZ, FL, GA, MS, NC, NM, OK, SC and TX averaged 5.1/1000 people. (LA data is not available; TX data is for 1997).
Nine states in the Northeast (CT, MA, ME, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) averaged only 3.5/1000 people.


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P Boy. The point I am trying to make is that you can't base a state Red vs a Blue voting state solely on the last presidential election. One election is neither typical or applicable to the dates of the sources you referenced. And then to use them as proof of your conclusion. For one thing look at the choices we had for President. Also for example take Georgia. After Jimmy Carter, Georgia has voted primarily Republican for the President. However the State and Local Governments up until the last election were always majority Democrat. So you can't put a label on Georgia especially during the periods you referenced, that Georgia primarily voted Republican. And who has more control over things like the states education, teen pregnancy , and crime rate. The Governor or the President of the United States?. So therefore I think the Governor's party affiliation is the more relevant. I have similar statistics as above for education, with four of the top five having Democratic Governors. But I guess you don't see my point so I won't pursue this any further.

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Chromer
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Thanks Judy..your post is a good representation of reality.....

The bolshevik dems just don't get it.....and will continue to be:



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Lets ask Jack the Wonder Dog...I think he knows as much about it as either one of you!


Chromer
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quote:
Originally posted by Fat Pat:
Lets ask Jack the Wonder Dog...I think he knows as much about it as either one of you!

I'd bet Jack, Bear and Bamy have about the same feelings...



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posted 10-03-2005 06:19 PM           
Bamy says she "prefers the Republican tactics of shaking hands to get votes.... these butt sniffing Democrats make her feel dirty"....


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Chromer - thanks for starting the post. Hadn't heard of this guy before.
Judy - Nice comparison
CNOTE -
DAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!
Were you bored? Working on a thesis? I got to number thirteen and had to take a break to go get food and water.

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quote:

Did they screw up down there? Absolutely. But it has nothing to do with politics, they just screwed up. Period. Laying blame along party lines is as dumb as it gets.

With all due respect to your opinions,,,,,, in my opinion, Louisiana politics is exactly where the blame lies for the flooding and the aftermath of what followed Katrina. [The Bush haters can blame the president for the hurricane,,,we all know he caused it.] Liberal Louisiana Dems have been stealing from the federal government and it's own citizens for over 50 years! State and federal collected tax dollars have been wasted by the Louisiana politicians,,,,opting not to build stronger levies,,,instead, building highways over the water for casino access,,,,and neglecting the needs to educate and advance the living standards of the poor who have lived there for so long. If you choose not to blame the politicians,,,who can you blame? Instead of wasting millions upon millions on their own special interests,,,the Louisiana politicians should have spent the money for the benefit of the people who live there. Yes, I blame the Louisiana politicians. Federal help was nearby waiting for the go-ahead,,,Red Cross food and water was nearby waiting for the same command,,,,yet the two main useless La. politicians were in total denial of the situation, and each wanted to control the matter. Nearly a thousand died in Louisiana,,,,,,who do you blame? Or should we let them go to their grave and just say they were poor and stupid?

Sign me,
Dumb as it gets



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