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tangled up in BLUE
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posted 07-30-2005 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tangled up in BLUE     
pre Hippie..... Maynard G. Crebbs(Bob Denver, Gilligans Island) was one of the most widely known TV characters to portray a Beatnik on the 'Dobie Gillis' TV show.....

..."Like, WOW man"

From 'Beat' To Beatnik
The discovery of the word 'beat' was essential to the formation of a sense of self definition among the earliest writers making up the cluster that would later call itself members of a 'Beat Generation'.

The word 'beat' was primarily in use after World War II by jazz musicians and hustlers as a slang term meaning down and out, or poor and exhausted. Jazz musician Mezz Mezzrow combined it with other words like 'dead beat'or 'beat-up' in his book Really The Blues.

In 1944, the word 'beat' as used by a Times Square hustler named Herbert Huncke came to the attention of writer William Burroughs. Through Burrows, it was passed on to Allen Ginsburg and Jack Kerouac.

As Allen Ginsburg remembered first hearing the word 'beat', the original street usage meant "exhausted, at the bottom of the world, looking up or out, sleepless, wide-eyed, perceptive, rejected by society, on you own, streetwise".

Jack Kerouac was fascinated by the tone of the word 'beat' as said by Huncke hunched over a cup of coffee in a Times Square cafeteria. Kerouac heard a "melancholy sneer" in Huncke's voice that never meant "juvenile delinquents" despite its use by drug addicts, but rather meant "characters of a special spirituality ..."

In a June, 1959 Playboy article titled "The Origins of the Beat Generation", Kerouac explained that the linguistic root of the word 'beat' also carried connotations of beatitude or beatific. The term 'Beat Generation' was coined by Kerouac in a conversation with John Clellon Holmes who felt Kerouac's stories "seemed to be describing a new sort of stance toward reality, behind which a new sort of consciousness lay." He urged Kerouac to try to define it in a phrase or two.

As Holmes recalled, Kerouac replied, "It's a kind of furtiveness... Like we were a generation of furtives. You know, with an inner knowledge...a kind of beatness... and a weariness with all the forms, all the conventions of the world... So I guess you might say we're a 'Beat Generation'.

Holmes felt the label was appropriate and had "the subversive attraction of an image that just might contain a concept, with the added mystery of being hard to define ... a vision, not an idea."

When the term 'Beat Generation' began to be used as a label for the young people Kerouac called 'hipsters' or 'beatsters' in the late 1950s, the word 'beat' lost its specific references to a particular subculture and became a synonym for anyone living as a bohemian or acting rebelliously or appearing to advocate a revolution in manners.

In 1958, a few months after Russia launched their 'sputnik' satellite, San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen coined the word 'beatnik'. He wrote condescendingly that "Look Magazine hosted a party for 50 Beatniks... and over 250 bearded cats and kits were on hand... They're only Beat, y'know, when it comes to work ..."

Holmes wrote that "... the Beatniks and the Mass Media succeeded in beclouding most of what was unsettling, and thereby valuable, in the idea of Beatness..."

This message has been edited by tangled up in BLUE on 07-30-2005 at 07:28 PM

Tytanium-K
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posted 07-31-2005 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tytanium-K     
REMEMBER Beatniks? I was one...then a hippie/hippy,
and now...just an old man with long hair...these expressions have long since become basically passe (sp?)--but there are still many of us around. I think Bobby G is TOO young to be classed as either...so he is just a [somewhat] younger long-haired man! An interesting series it was--long time ago, however. When TV was innocent! Sigh!

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ALLEY CAT
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posted 07-31-2005 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
Tyt-K - somehow,,,,I can visualize you still driving a VW bus, with flowers on the side, and Echo riding shotgun, lol. Those were good days >> sex, drugs, and rockNroll.


Tytanium-K
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posted 07-31-2005 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tytanium-K     
Ha! Well-said, Alley Cat...
I never owned a VW bus...but did own two "bugs!" A '68 HT Baby Blue w/sunroof (first NEW car I ever bought)...the cost? $1,869.00 $50 a month for 36-mos after my down pmt...yes, those were the days. My 2nd bug was a '71 orange superbeetle conv w/black top. Always a 4-spd...don't think they even MADE 'auto' bugs in those days~LOL.


Ed W.
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posted 08-03-2005 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ed W.     
Maynard G. Krebbs is alive & well.

Right, Dobie?

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