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ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 |
posted 03-22-2005 07:47 AM
We haven't had a topic to really disagree on since the November elections. I see the country is really split on the Terri Schiavo story,,,where do you stand?
B. This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 03-25-2005 at 09:54 PM |
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Dustis unregistered Posts: 36093 |
posted 03-22-2005 07:49 AM
B. pull the plug ! |
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butchcee Prowler Junkie Posts: 7476 |
posted 03-22-2005 08:02 AM
If it were me, I wouldn't want to be kept alive in that state. No chance of recovery with exception of a miracle. Let her go. |
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halicat unregistered Posts: 7476 |
posted 03-22-2005 08:08 AM
Its hard to say what her mind is thinking... if she enjoys the interaction with her loved ones, then keep feeding her.... its only food and water that she is receiving, not like she is on a respirator or unconscious... I side with the parents.... they should make the decision, its their child and their blood relative.. moo (my opinion only) |
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ETMIDZT Prowler Junkie Posts: 2278 |
posted 03-22-2005 08:11 AM
Let her go! According to the Docs I've heard on the News......Some of her Brain has turned to liquid!! End it! |
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pumpkin Prowler Junkie Posts: 7907 |
posted 03-22-2005 08:17 AM
Let her go. I think the parents have no say so. Here husband knows what she wanted. Question- who is paying for all the expensives? |
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KRU-ZNN Prowler Junkie Posts: 235 |
posted 03-22-2005 08:32 AM
B Quality Not Quantity Lesson: Today write your Advance Directive or
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Bob Miller Prowler Junkie Posts: 4576 |
posted 03-22-2005 08:45 AM
Let her go. I also think it was wrong for Congress to change the venue (State courts to Federal courts) simply to try and get the verdict they wanted. States are perfectly capable of handling their own affairs without Congress, thank you! This message has been edited by Bob Miller on 03-22-2005 at 08:47 AM |
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tangled up in BLUE Prowler Junkie Posts: 11086 |
posted 03-22-2005 08:50 AM
time to let her go.... |
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MDProwler Prowler Junkie Posts: 5250 |
posted 03-22-2005 08:57 AM
With Bush and the rest of the federal government sticking their noses into it, I doubt any pre directive would matter. The governments control of our daily lives is getting to out of hand. Here locally they passed a bill requiring shopping centers to install cameras to aid in crime prevention. Excuse me but I thought we paid taxes for the law enforcement to help prevent crime. While I agree it's not a bad idea, it just should not be law. Oh BTW, let her go in peace, she is in her husbands hands, not her parents. They gave up their rights when she got married. |
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MIKE GATLIN Prowler Junkie Posts: 4307 |
posted 03-22-2005 08:59 AM
This now to me is as much a case of unprecedented government intrusion as it a right to life (right to die)case. It has taken nearly 8 years to run the legal course, there can be no question that all sides have had the opportunity to be heard, regardless the position you support! Surveys indicate that more than 60% of Americans polled do not support the legislative wrangling that we are seeing, this strains the concept of "For the people and by the people!" |
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ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 |
posted 03-22-2005 09:05 AM
Gatlin - A. OR B. what is your answer. I told Karen to pull your plug along time ago,,,,she isn't listening to me, lol. Good opinions! This case has been through 10 courts and 18 judges,,,,,our Congressmen have other things to work on. |
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Ray unregistered Posts: 36093 |
posted 03-22-2005 09:28 AM
Let her die ... some say money is motivating the husband, well, what's motivating the parents, if they REALLY love their daughter, wouldn't they want her in heaven?  |
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MIKE GATLIN Prowler Junkie Posts: 4307 |
posted 03-22-2005 09:31 AM
Larry, she tried but I am battery operated which is why I like doing bunny stuff I guess. My answer? Bring the same political forces to bear on freeing Jack Kevorkian and give this family a real choice. Honestly it doesn't matter how I feel about the Schiavo family decision any more than it matters how the president, governor of Florida, Senator from Texas or Senator from Michigan feels about it. There is no place here for public opinion or government intrusion. I find it more likely that Mike and Terri Schiavo talked about how things would go in a case like this so it is his decision. If I were in her postion, Karen would know exactly what to do! Ray, if it is money then there will plenty for everyone. I am sure that book and movie deals are in the works for both sides. I did hear that the husband received a $750,000 malpractice settlement, for her treatment for an eating disorder that led to her heart stopping, that has been spent for her care. This message has been edited by MIKE GATLIN on 03-22-2005 at 09:37 AM |
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Dave Mills Prowler Junkie Posts: 5419 |
posted 03-22-2005 09:38 AM
I would not like to be kept alive by feeding tubes. Brenda and I have discussed it and we both know what the other wants. That said, I think she should be left alone to die in peace. The government, as far as I am concerned should not be interfering. |
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Lone Ranger Prowler Junkie Posts: 2120 |
posted 03-22-2005 09:40 AM
She will never get any better and i would have to let her go. |
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Gene Prowler Junkie Posts: 1256 |
posted 03-22-2005 10:02 AM
I think they should let her go and I believe our government should stay the he-- out of it.No one really knows what the couple had agreeded on while she was in good health.When my wife and I contacted cancer we had a living will made out so there wouldn't a problem like this. |
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Jim C Prowler Junkie Posts: 537 |
posted 03-22-2005 12:27 PM
There is no plug to be pulled, She is not on life support they removed the feeding tube. this only means horrible pain from being starved to death. Nice to know we can euthenics our sick and dying pets painlessly with an injection and to the same with our death row prisoners hear in California, but yet We cannot relieve the pain of our loved ones.let alone the hospital bills poring in to the family. This message has been edited by Jim C on 03-22-2005 at 12:43 PM |
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Tytanium-K Prowler Junkie Posts: 3017 |
posted 03-22-2005 12:42 PM
A very personal situation which I could not/would not respond or reply to--ain't my bizzness--but, if it were me, or the evil elf...neither of us would want to be in this state--ergo, never would have lasted THIS LONG for either of us! We'd wanna be released into the next life at the onset--not 5 or 10 or 15 or ?? years after the fact! "prowlrman" about 3 posts below, says it best IMHO. Thanks!  This message has been edited by Tytanium-K on 03-22-2005 at 02:22 PM |
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jforbes Prowler Junkie Posts: 120 |
posted 03-22-2005 01:12 PM
Tough choice. But I don't think any of us can say which choice is right or wrong. There's been such contradiction in the stories in the press. I can understand the husband wanting to let her go - but I can also understand the parents holding out hope. The one thing I do feel strongly about is this whole debate is for the family to have in private - not in the press. A general discussion does belong in the public domain -- but this situation just sensationalizes the whole issue and makes balanced discussion impossible. Congress should not be interfering. That said, if it were me and I was in a vegetative state, I'd want to go in peace and let my loved ones get on with their lives. Janet This message has been edited by jforbes on 03-22-2005 at 01:13 PM |
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ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 |
posted 03-22-2005 01:28 PM
I am amazed that there are that many POA folks who believe she should be starved to death. If it were my daughter (I don't have any daughters, by the way) and my son in law wanted her to starve to death, I would probably kill him. I have not kept up with this case at all, but I thought she was responding to her family's hugs, etc. I thought the vote would be a lot closer and I thought the "let her live" would be winning, to be honest. What is your view, A/C? Sandy isn't here right now so I don't know what she thinks. She is a nurse and I know she keeps telling me I don't have much time left. lol |
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prowlrman Prowler Junkie Posts: 1724 |
posted 03-22-2005 02:12 PM
Rather than respond to what I think should be done in the Schiavo case, I will say that, being the father / step father of 6 kids, and a loving husband to my wife, it would break my heart to see any of them, or my wife, in a vegetative state for ANY length of time, and if doctors told me there was no medical chance of them getting any better, I would prefer for them to travel to the "other side" rather than have no quality of life...for me the thoughts of them when they had joy and happiness being "alive" far outway any selfish concerns to keep them lingering on for personal satisfaction...and watching them lie day after day staring into space...that's not a memory I want to carry to my grave someday...nuff said.. |
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PCR CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 49 |
posted 03-22-2005 02:13 PM
THIS HAPPENS SO OFTEN IN THE US. WHAT MAKES THIS ONE SO MUCH DIFFRENT THAN OTHERS.WELL IM SURE WE CAN ONLY GUESS. SHAME ON OUR GOVERMENT TO INTERFERE IN PRIVATE MATTERS. HOW MUCH WAS SPENT BY CONGRESS EMERGENCY SESSION? WHICH BY THE WAY IS VERY RARE. TO THINK OUR GOVERMENT COULD SPEND TIME AND MONEY ON THIS,AND NOT ON MAJOR INSURANCE ISSUES THAT COULD HELP THOUSANDS, THAT BY THE WAY ARE WITHOUT HEALTH CARE.AND THE NUMBERS ARE GROWING EVERY DAY. MAYBE OUR GOV COULD SPEND TIME ON THIS ISSUE, AND SAVE LIVES THAT COULD HAVE QUALITY LIFE.IF THEY COULD AFFORD INS AND MEDICATION. BUT NO, POLITICS ARE IN PLAY NOW. I DONT KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BUT CONGRESS AND OUR PRES SHOULD STAY OUT OF THIS ONE. THE MEDIA SURE HYPED THIS UP ALSO, ANOTHER GREAT JOB DONE. THIS IS SAD, THE WORD QUALITY SHOULD ENTER INTO THIS SITUATION,NOT JUST EXISTING LIFE. LET HER GO. |
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Ray unregistered Posts: 49 |
posted 03-22-2005 03:34 PM
quote: Supposedly, Ed, in her 'state' the starvation isn't all that painful or agonizing as the required brain impulses/input is not there ... so, and again I do not know for sure, but may be a very painless and peaceful way to go. Sure as heck beats a life existence as she is! |
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CJ Prowler Junkie Posts: 18860 |
posted 03-22-2005 04:33 PM
I'm not going to comment on the government intervention, because I'm not sure how I feel about that. However, based on some of the things I've heard and read (and who do you believe?)........ 1. If her husband did not want to deal with her....why did he not divorce her and let her parents take over her care? He has been living with a woman for 10 years and has two children with her. Is this a caring husband that knows what's best for her??? From what I see, he didn't care enough to stay with her and support her.......he abandoned her. Let her parents take over her care. 2. Then there is the "settlement of over $1 million that he stands to gain.........but not if he divorces her...only if she dies? 3. He's been offered millions to give up his rights to her care......I read that over the years, he has refused to pay for care that may have improved her situation. Why? He wanted her to die? 4. He says that she said she didn't want to be kept alive. Does anyone really know that for fact? We are all saying that if something like that happened to us, we wouldn't want to be....but what if it really did? Would we change our minds, but not be able to communicate that? What if she never said that? 5. I would say that anyone who has specific requests regarding their care should they be incapacitated, better put it in writing. 6. This isn't like being on a respirator, with no hope of being able to breathe without it. My brother (at the age of 37) was on a respirator and after doing everything they could, it was determined there were no options left. The family had to make the decision and believe me.......it was not an easy decision. He passed away within the hour. Terri is not on a respirator........she is being fed because she can't do that on her own. Could you make the decision to let your wife, daughter, sister literally starve to death? Obviously, a very controversial issue..... |
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