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Prowler
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posted 02-01-2003 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Prowler     
This will be published in the Feb 2 edition of the Minneapolis Star and Tribune newspaper. This is the first I've heard of the "list" and thought others may like to know about it. Not all of the casualties of that dirty little thing called war are on the battlefield.


Published Feb. 2, 2003
Minneapolis Star and Tribune

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Christopher Wilkinson held his wife's hand as he died of lung cancer in a Minnesota hospital room, 27 years and 8,000 miles away from the war in Vietnam.

Carl Auel flipped his car in a ditch along a Virginia backroad and died in a coma two weeks later, ending years of nightmares about Vietnam that pushed the retired Navy chaplain to drink.

Frank Nichols hanged himself in 1977, eight years after returning to Kentucky with a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts.

Despite the years and distance, each man's family considers him a casualty of war. But none of their names appear on the black granite wall in Washington honoring the war's official dead. For these others, there is a little-known remembrance -- a roll of names kept inside the park rangers' kiosk near the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.

Few visitors see the list. There's no sign; some rangers don't even know it's there. But those who ask the right person are handed a slim gray binder with 801 names and snapshots of shirtless young soldiers, middle-aged men in
business suits, veterans posed somberly before the wall.

Relatives will read those names on April 21, the 10th anniversary of what began as a grass-roots movement to publicly recognize deaths that might otherwise go overlooked.

"People see the wall and think that's all the casualties, but it's not. That war really isn't over," said Linda Wilkinson of Inver Grove Heights. She blames exposure to defoliants for her husband's death in 1998 at age 50. Wilkinson's decision to enlist in the Army at age 19 caused a lifetime estrangement from his brother Alex, a war protester. They reconciled two days before his death.

The American Battle Monuments Commission is finishing plans for a granite marker to be installed near the wall as early as this year honoring, without naming, those "who served in the Vietnam War and later died as a result of their service."

Meanwhile, the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, keeper of the wall and the list, is seeking more names from veterans' families for inclusion on the "In Memory" list.

Death certificates and military records must be submitted by Feb. 28 to qualify for this year's ceremony, said Holly Rotondi, who reviews the applications.

It's impossible to say to what degree wartime service should be blamed in deaths years later. If a family makes a reasonable case, the name is accepted, Rotondi said.

Fifty-four names were added last year, the first time the memorial fund publicized the search, Rotondi said. She hopes for more nominations as word spreads; no one knows how many thousands might be eligible.

Many on the list died from cancers the government presumes are related to Agent Orange, which was used to clear jungle growth that provided cover for the enemy. Others were victims of post-traumatic stress disorder, through suicide, drug abuse or alcoholism.

And there are civilians and soldiers who died during the war, but don't meet Defense Department criteria as war casualties. Reflecting those rules, the wall of 58,229 names is reserved for service members who died of wounds sustained in combat or in direct support of combat.

tangled up in BLUE
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posted 02-01-2003 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tangled up in BLUE     
......and no one will ever know when it is finally over....I have seen the "stare", some just couldn't leave it all behind, even today.......there will be more.....new wars, new casualties..... war is fought by pawns for the enrichment of the few power seeking individuals....


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posted 02-02-2003 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for butchcee     
Thanks for the info. I've been to the Wall many times and it stirs emotion every visit. I was one of the lucky ones that made it back with no emotional effects. While I was young and naive when I served, I never considered myself a pawn and was proud to serve my country.


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posted 02-02-2003 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for superdanthegarbageman     
why should these people be given a spot on the wall that was dedicated to those that fought and died in vn? why would i want other names mixed in with those poor souls..how many people died years after the other wars that our country fought..what category should they be placed in....so if i die drunk one day...or od on drugs...or find out that i have cancer and decide to slam my car into the side of a bridge to end it all..ill get my name on it too?? whos going to decide...you>?????? ha...arent you something else..and the ones that fought were all pawns..hu?? i guess that goes with the same mentality that figured out the wall idea...did it ever occur to you that people joined the army for a reason...doesnt matter what it was..but they werent pawns ..as you put it...and they came home to a country that didnt even say thanks..didnt even acknowlege the fact that they were there..but now all you armchair generals are guessing why...ever think of just moving out of the united states and going somewhere else...why bother living here if thats all the reason we go to war...if i used stronger language im sure id get my point across..but then id get kicked off this site...and theyve done that before...im sure i wont be able to get back on again..soooo ill just say....eat rice...and leave it at that.....love and kisses...a viet nam vet


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posted 02-02-2003 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Prowler     
superdan,

They're not talking about adding anyones name to the wall, and not everyone joined willingly. For some that choice was made for them.

superdanthegarbageman
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posted 02-02-2003 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for superdanthegarbageman     
but they went ,,didnt go to canada....and thsts that..the ones that didnt come home we mourn.....just because they didnt have a choice..what difference does it make...no difference at all.they fought side by side with the ones that enlisted....no one was any different ..no one treated any better or worse...were you drafted?? what are you looking for then??? explain it to me...so i know..


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posted 02-02-2003 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tangled up in BLUE     
.....I don't feel these names should be added to the wall, and I am not sure how they would ever be divided, or decided upon where they would be displayed anyway....I knew too many young men that returned and destroyed themselves shortly after coming back to the world....are they worthy of mention or not...big question ???...I also returned to be spat upon at Seattle Airport(SEATAC)after spending 18 mos in various locations in S.E. Asia(44 mos USAF)....did I want to go, NO...was I proud to go, yes.....but something really struck me odd in the last couple of years over the issue in IRAQ....the nations of the world had "policies" against assasinating evil leaders, it was immoral ??? Is it more moral to send tens of thousands of young men to fight and die for greed....Why shouldn't the evil leaders be the FIRST to die....Usamma and Sadaam talking their "pawns" into becoming "martyrs"....why don't THEY make the ultimate sacrifice themselves for their beliefs...and save the lives of all those that are sent to the slaughter.....war is about agression and greed...simple...I lost some of my best friends to war, and drugs...sadly, most of the drug/alcohol problems were directly related to serving in the extreme circumstances....this was also a problem after WWII and WWI and probably every other war ever fought....I remember hearing my father talking about WWII vets returning "shell shocked"...it was a term for being scared to death....the horrors never end for any of us, some just handle stressful situations better than others....others find another way home....war will never end till we decide to go straight to the source instead of lining our young men up on battlefields.....I feel lucky everyday to be here and have the life I do.....could have been different, I could have been on "The Wall" instead of visiting it everytime I am in the DC area.............


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posted 02-02-2003 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Prowler     
Please re-read the article. All that is mentioned is a garnite marker with no names, nothing, to acknowledge the fact that not all war casualties happen on the battlefield. Dan, if you're saying that it is different to die from a bullet in combat than to die from being sprayed with Agent Orange, only because the death did not occur on the battlefield, I disagree. Both are the direct result of what occurred in service to our country, and I feel should in some way be acknowledged. I know I mourn them as much as I mourn those that did not make it back.


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