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Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Posts: 3709 |
posted 05-07-2001 11:52 PM
http://prowlerclub.com/ I checked the PPC website tonight and it looks like some changes are being made over there. Anybody know the whole story? Congrats, TK? ------------------ This message has been edited by Larry Lord on 05-07-2001 at 11:54 PM |
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KenG Prowler Junkie Posts: 641 |
posted 05-08-2001 05:42 AM
Larry...I spoke to Nowell last night because I ordered a set of Borla's from him. He said that he no longer owned the PPC and it was sold to some members. I think he said it was somebody from northern Ohio. Maybe we will see some changes for the good over there. ------------------ |
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LndRckt Prowler Junkie Posts: 70 |
posted 05-08-2001 07:05 AM
Yeah...it's changed big time...couldn't find anything that used to be there. Nothing about Prowlers when I checked...just goofy links to stuff like html tips and stock quotes. Wonder what happen to the Street Prowler magazine that Nowell said would be published sometime soon. Oh well, glad we have this site for real information. ------------------ |
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prwlyn Prowler Junkie Posts: 1668 |
posted 05-08-2001 07:07 AM
Larry, the last time I talked to Tom Kalski he said that Nowell was selling the site to the members and that there was going to be quite a few changes. I believe they are setting up in a "real" club format. ie. President, Vice President and board... More or less to get away from the appearance of a club being owned and operated by one person. He said they felt it needed to get to a club similar to the rest of the car clubs out there. i.e. the Corvette Club, The Viper Club.... I think for the betterment of all Prowler owners it will be a good thing as choice gives more options to all of us... My two cents on the last statement... ------------------ |
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Joe Rad Prowler Junkie Posts: 472 |
posted 05-08-2001 09:57 AM
I went to Detroit this past weekend, and witnessed Nowell relinquishing the club over to the members. Tom Kalski stepped up and took on the club responsibilities. Tom K. is spearheading the club change, and that includes the website, so I am excited, and I hope others are too, that a new club is emerging. Bottom line.....we are all prowler owners who want to focus on enjoying our cars and the people associated with them. |
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Wayne Finch Prowler Junkie Posts: 4011 |
posted 05-08-2001 10:12 AM
Is it time to coordinate efforts????????? ------------------ |
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Slick Prowler Junkie Posts: 196 |
posted 05-08-2001 10:51 AM
Yes, there are some changes at the PPC. As Joe Rad stated, there are some exciting changes coming. The PPC site was moved to a different server which is why the downtime. It should be back sometime today. Wayne, as far as coordinating efforts, I am sure that you will some sort of movement to that effect. Joe stated what has always been my opinion, "We are all prowler owners who want to focus on enjoying our cars and the people associated with them." Remember, it should ALWAYS be about THE CAR! Tom Kalski ------------------ |
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Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Posts: 3709 |
posted 05-08-2001 10:55 AM
quote: Time will tell, but I think definately so. |
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CA Phil unregistered Posts: 3709 |
posted 05-08-2001 11:34 AM
I was also in Detroit over the past weekend for the discussions and Nowell passing ownership of the club over to Tom. A lot is happening in the background and we should all be a little patient. I think we should all be happy with the next steps being worked. ------------------ |
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cnote6 Prowler Junkie Posts: 10955 |
posted 05-08-2001 11:40 AM
Looked over there the other day and not much going on. It had been a few days since someone had posted. ------------------ http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002600.html |
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ETMIDZT Prowler Junkie Posts: 2278 |
posted 05-08-2001 11:43 AM
I agree! Good luck Tom!! |
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Y2K Rod Prowler Junkie Posts: 117 |
posted 05-08-2001 06:40 PM
I won't get into the reasons why that "for profit" club ticks me off. But I welcome the change and wish Tom and any members that really still exist the best. In fact, I'll even stop in when the doors are reopened--I'm willing to give it a second chance. I'm sure Tom realizes that the POA represents what most Prowler owners are looking for so he's got a lot a work ahead of him to even come close to what Mike K has put together. ------------------ |
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ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 |
posted 05-08-2001 07:51 PM
Tom - CONGRATS! I can assure all of you that Tom is one great guy, and loves his Prowler. I know your honest, upfront approach will settle many of the past problems there. You have my best wishes for success. Let us know when the website is up, and I'll re-register to post.
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Dave Mills Prowler Junkie Posts: 5419 |
posted 05-08-2001 08:27 PM
I am also willing to give Tom the benefit of the doubt. But if the all mighty dollar is still going to take precedence over the car hobby, I won't stay interested very long. ------------------ |
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BOBS 57 Prowler Junkie Posts: 370 |
posted 05-08-2001 08:41 PM
Talking with Tom on a semi regular basis I think you will see a merger of some kind in the near future. Tom is very dedicated to bringing the Two sites, and more importantly the two groups of people together. ------------------ |
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CJ Prowler Junkie Posts: 18860 |
posted 05-09-2001 12:23 AM
I would like to express my thoughts about the recent development with regard to the change in ownership of the Prowler Club. About a year ago, I was asked by Tom to explain to him why I left the Prowler Club and what I thought needed to be changed. I shared the problems that I experienced as a member of the Prowler Club with him. I was a member of this club long before Nowell Herman purchased it. I know that Tom felt that by being an officer of the club that he could help to change those things that drove members away, including me. By my observations (and this is just my opinion) I don't think much changed for the better; not for lack of trying by Tom, I am sure. That was most unfortunate for the paying members of the club. In the meantime, lest we forget, Mike Krehel and Tony Goertz joined forces and through their generosity, offered us an alternative that has been a wonderful and successful experience as a Prowler Owner. They, along with Mike's son Chris and Tony Rickard, have provided us with an outstanding website; one that all of us can be proud of. All of the people who have registered on the Prowleronline.com site and become a member of the Prowler Owners Association have also been instrumental in making this group and this site a smashing success! Without them, there would be no POA!! We have accomplished more things in less than a year, than I think any of us could have hoped for. Everyone has contributed to the growth and success of POA by their participation and support of the website and at all of our events in the past 10 months. We have shown that it is possible to participate cohesively as a group without the necessity of being an "organized" or "official" club. We do not have or have the need for officers, we don't pay dues, we don't need a membership kit or any of the things that an "official" club seems to generate. Everyone in the POA has stepped up and helped to organize and execute Prowler events (and I think we would all agree that they all have been a blast!). Members have provided shirts, banners, decals, and numerous other items for the events. Many of those things were done out of sheer generosity and out of our own pockets. We have supplied information, support and assistance to other Prowler owners with any and all issues. Everyone has freely given of their time and effort, which is a precious commodity these days. Perhaps the most important thing I have gained from the POA is the many friends that I and my husband have met and made, that I hope will be long-lasting friendships! More importantly, the POA doors and the hearts of the POA members have always been open to anyone who was interested in participating on our site and/or at our events. My hat is off to all of you for helping to make the POA the best ownership experience around!!! To which begs the question in my mind. It was stated that perhaps we would be seeing a merger in the near future, that Tom was dedicated to bringing the two sites and the two groups of people together. If the former owner no longer had an interest in the Prowler Club, why would it be necessary to start another "club" and assume the expense of another website, etc. and then attempt to join forces with the POA? Would it not have been easier to allow the dismantling of the Prowler Club and simply move over to the established POA and Prowleronline.com? I believe that as far as the POA was concerned, there was never two different groups of people. We all are Prowler owners and have always welcomed all Prowler owners on our site and at our events. If there remains two separate clubs, that's okay, too. Choices are important, also. Fortunately, we have had the benefit of more than one choice. Please do not misunderstand me. I wish Tom all the luck in the world with his new venture and hope that he accomplishes what he wanted to do as part of the Prowler Club. If it were me, and I am one of those people who is at most times FAR too logical, I would embrace the value of an already established group rather than have to double efforts to come to the same end! I have belonged to several car clubs and I have to be honest, I have never enjoyed any of them as much as I have the POA. I thoroughly enjoy the site, the people, the comraderie, the events, the freedoms and everything associated with it without all the restrictions, rules and expense of an "organized club!! I'm sure that there will be people out there who will disagree with me, and that's okay! It has been the love and passion for our car that brought us together at POA and made us successful!! These are just my thoughts and feelings on a subject that is near and dear to my heart. Thank you though, Mike and Tony, for giving me the freedom and the environment in which I can express them!!!! Thanks, everyone, for listening. ------------------ This message has been edited by CJ on 05-09-2001 at 05:57 AM |
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j paulsen Prowler Junkie Posts: 89 |
posted 05-09-2001 12:43 AM
Just to let everyone know, Tom is a stand up guy. He will work with all of us to make the prowler owning experience the thing it should be. I get along with all prowler owners, and that is what Tom is trying to do. He is trying to unite all of us together, no more division. Things will be much better in the future I can promise you that! Stay tuned and we will all enjoy what he is trying to do with both clubs. Thanks, Jeff Paulsen |
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PurplePride Prowler Junkie Posts: 46 |
posted 05-09-2001 02:40 AM
I think the PPC died because of a lack of interest and greed. People came together on this site and shared information and created friendships. This guy Tom will not be uniting enthusiasts by carrying on with the PPC he will be driving a wedge deep into the many friendships and relationships that have developed. He will be encouraging duplication of the same posts and issues on both sites again. Everyone seems to be having a great time here. Why can't the few remaining PPC survivors come join us for all that has always been offered for free here? I think CJ hit the nail on the head. We only need one club because we should work to keep all the Prowler enthusiasts together. I'll bet my bottom dollar that Nowell (alias carnuts.com) still has his grubby paws in the supposedly new and improved PPC. My 2 cents. ------------------ This message has been edited by PurplePride on 05-09-2001 at 02:49 AM |
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Dave Mills Prowler Junkie Posts: 5419 |
posted 05-09-2001 05:48 AM
Well said CJ. I agree with your thoughts on the subject. The POA has been a much better site in my opinion than the PPC. If Tom feels he wants to continue the PPC separately I guess that is up to him. My first question would be: What can he possibly offer that is not all ready available here? In my mind, two people destroyed the PPC. I wish Tom success, but I see no reason to pay for the privilege of being a member of the PPC. ------------------ |
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jd2ksilver Prowler Junkie Posts: 4360 |
posted 05-09-2001 08:44 AM
I guess we should all wear the same color clothes? same shoes,, heck,, even drive same color car??? Come on... I see no problem at all with two sites, three sites,, or more, and run it how they want too. I wish the new site much luck. And if it has something to offer me, I will not hesitate to take from and contribute to it. Personalities, politics, how quickly they can be meshed together to serve a individuals' purpose. I was hoping this thread would open good relations with some people who choose to be a little different. (I like to be different). It would be nice to follow those lines. My two cents. ------------------ |
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KenG Prowler Junkie Posts: 641 |
posted 05-09-2001 09:17 AM
I welcome the changes at the PPC and wish Tom all the best. It is not easy to please a large group of people no matter what you do. I see several comments about "why should we pay for the PPC when the POA is free". The only reason the POA is free is because of Mike & Co. It take a lot of cash to keep a web site current. Constantly upgrading software and hardware as the activity grows. If it weren't for Mike's generosity, the POA would probably have to charge for membership also. THANKS MIKE ! I also would like just 1 place to go for my information but that's a decision that Mike & Co. will have to make. Letting go of your baby after watching it grow is a very hard thing to do. As someone famous once said.....MY 2 cents worth! ------------------ |
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ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 |
posted 05-09-2001 09:22 AM
CJ - I couldn't have wrote it better, very well done. I said above, I wish Tom much success. He has a tough road to run if both sites do not merge. The lack of posts on the PPC has showed the direction it was heading in, and the cost of membership compared to no costs, was a deciding dagger. How many PPC members do you think renewed their memberships? "Burger Boy" there flat a$$ lied to me, and provided nothing other than a password to the chat room. This was my clue that the organized club would fail. When those at the top treat it as a business for profit instead of a fun gathering of car owners, the writing was on the wall. I had many bad feelings from the PPC at first, but this group of POA people made me soon forget them, and go forward with new insight. If Mike and Tony wouldn't have came along, my car club days would be over. I'm now seeing all kinds of resentment in the local PTCruiser group, with officers, rules, signing of waivers for cruises, etc. BUILD A EMPIRE, AND IT WILL FALL! Just my opinions |
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CA Phil unregistered Posts: 36093 |
posted 05-09-2001 11:20 AM
As every organization, including the PPC and POA, grows and matures one needs to consider plans, opportunities, and risks. At some point to continue success you need a plan and to execute the plan you need an infastructure. That infrastructure consists of people, call them officers, directors, and state coordinators and they are either "official" or implied. In any case that structure exists whether we admit it or not. There are positive reasons for the members and implied "officials" to have a structure(Club)and be a legal entity such as a non-profit Corporation for many reasons if you think about it. This is true if the PPC and POA merge or don't. The club or association has grown to the point that it has to be taken to the next level in the interest of everyone. Since everyone is giving their 2 cents, this is mine. Remember, the cars, people, and comradery.
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Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Posts: 3709 |
posted 05-09-2001 12:18 PM
Valid points Phil. Well worth considering. Thanks for your input. I like the format of the POA. No rules, just right! We all know what it takes to have a good time and we all also know the responsibilities of being truly organized. Although I personally like to have options, I would prefer to see everyone under one roof, but that's not always practical or possible. Hopefully everyone will keep personal agendas out of the mix and just work for the betterment of the Prowler experience for all concerned. Liability insurance to protect the people who organize events has long been a major concern to me and I still feel that is an urgent need. I hope that we never need it but accidents do happen and people do file lawsuits. This message has been edited by Larry Lord on 05-09-2001 at 12:29 PM |
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PaulR Prowler Junkie Posts: 1614 |
posted 05-09-2001 01:33 PM
OK... my 2 cents! As most of you know I had probably one of the worst experiences with both Nowell and Tom K. Both treated me like $hit! I was willing to put this in the past, but can't seem to get over this thing about the PPC merging with the POA. It can't and won't work for various reasons. Most people that have found the POA have realized that we are not about money, service or making a buck...no matter what! Should Tom decide to make the PPC a paying CLUB, then so be it, but at least don't treat people as if they are trash. Clubs which charge do exist and have been successful, but with the correct structure as Phil H. stated and very strong ethics, which everyone here knows DID NOT exist at the PPC. There were several of us discussing this very topic at the Grand Canyon and we actually predicted exactly what is now happening. I will NOT ever participate on this other site as my LOYALTY goes to the people that have treated me like a person. Now I will get off my soap box! Thanks for listening and again... just my 2 cents! ------------------ |
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