1) his secret plan to create 10 million new jobs;
2) his secret plan to win the peace;
3) his secret plan to build a bigger coalition;
4) his secret plan to balance the budget;
5) his secret plan to save social security

If he truly has a viable plan, I hope he can share those ideas since he was campaigning for the middle class, Right??????????

He should put politics aside and do what is right for this country, Right???????????

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Originally posted by Midntrdr:
He lost, he conceded with class, let it go!

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This has nothing to do with losing or conceding with class, kerry said he was going to create 10 million new jobs.

Are you suggesting that since he didn't win, those jobs should not be created now? I didn't win so the hell with America? Kinda spoiled grapes if you ask me.....

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Originally posted by Dustis:
Let Bushy clean up his own mess !

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So you are admitting liberals don't care about America or jobs so long as they are not in power?

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Originally posted by Dustis:
YF,
I'm neither - red or blue ! JMHO on the subject !

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Understood, the point being, since kerry didn't win and he has (supposedly) a secret plan to create 10 million more jobs, wouldn't or shouldn't he give that plan to the winning team to help America? Why hurt America (and potentially millions of liberal voters) just because he didn't win? Right?

Just a thought!

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Originally posted by Midntrdr:
Democrats and Republicans putting differences aside and working together for a common good?

Why not? Aren't we ALL AMERICANS? If one side has a plan to give good paying jobs to 10 million folks, why would they want to sit on it now? I'm truly hoping I am wrong and he does have a plan and he does present it to President Bush for the good of ALL AMERICA.

Your dreaming! Be realistic, your just being spiteful to Kerry.

How is it being spiteful reciting what kerry has been stumping the last 4 months with? Wouldn't it be MORE SPITEFUL to hold back on that plan of 10 million new jobs just cause you weren't elected.

As much as your trying to sugar coat it your still attacking Kerry.

There is no reason for attacks. kerry lost, the game is over. It's time for him to put American first.

His mantra was, "Hope is on the way" but, since he lost are you suggesting he changes that to, "Hope will wait another 4 years?"

What are you going to do with your time when you can't attack Kerry anymore? It's time to move on.

It's not attacking someone by asking a relevant question.

Relax, count my blessings, attend church every Sunday, volunteer more. You?

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Originally posted by Al's Prowler:
Well if Kerry has a " secret plan " maybe he's waiting for Bush to tell us were all those WMD's are.

Al

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You tell me Al, kerry is on record as stating the reason for the war was that he (kerry) was convinced that WMD was there. I find it laughable that liberals always gloss over that fact.

But, with regards to the 10 million jobs, kerry stated in his farewell speech, "I believe that what we started in this campaign will not end here. And I know our fight goes on to put America back to work and make our economy a great engine of job growth"

So let's see if he fesses up with that plan. I honestly hope he does! Time will tell...........

posted 11-04-2004 03:18 PM         

It's abundantly clear to me that it's not enough for you that your man Bush won. The genesis of this thread was not to seek answers, but rather to drag this political debate on to, in your own mind, try and discredit Kerry.

Bush has the "mandate" so the likelihood of him taking advice from someone he defeated by over 3,000,000 votes is slim to none. The American people chosen Bush because they believe he has a plan that will work for America. Bush, in his own words during the campaign, said that he would not rest until every American who wants a job has one. That tells me Bush has some ideas of his own on lowering the unemployment rate.

As for any Kerry employment plan, the appropriate format for him, or anyone else, to introduce their ideas is via introduction of a bill in Congress. There the Senate and House can discuss it and debate it, then go to conference and hopefully reach a compromise on one version. After that it goes to the President for signature.

If it's really important to you get the details out about any of Kerry's plans or ideas he discussed in the campaign, I suggest you e-mail him at:
http://kerry.senate.gov/low/contact_email.html

and tell him yourself. You'll be glad you did and you'll sleep even better than you already have been!

Have a great day!

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Originally posted by Bob Miller:
It's abundantly clear to me that it's not enough for you that your man Bush won.

I completely disagree, President Bush is OUR man, yours, mine, the guy down the street, all of ours.

The genesis of this thread was not to seek answers, but rather to drag this political debate on to, in your own mind, try and discredit Kerry.

What is the point of discrediting someone that is out of the game. Please don't try to figure out what is going on in my mind, I have a hard enough time doing that. LOL!

All I was stating is what kerry said, in his farewell speech, "I believe that what we started in this campaign will not end here. And I know our fight goes on to put America back to work and make our economy a great engine of job growth"

kerry has stumped for months about these 10 million jobs, so let's see if he is a man of his word and works to do that.

As for any Kerry employment plan, the appropriate format for him, or anyone else, to introduce their ideas is via introduction of a bill in Congress. There the Senate and House can discuss it and debate it, then go to conference and hopefully reach a compromise on one version. After that it goes to the President for signature.

I'm pretty sure, you can't legislate new jobs or force companies to hire and that was part of my point.

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Originally posted by Al's Prowler:
Tell the truth, if it where a Democrat president you would be whining for an impeachment.

If that were true Al, folks would have tried to impeach Carter, Johnson, JFK, etc. In fact, the whole impeachment thing with clinton didn't come up till the later part of his career.

And you can't impeach anyone just because they won. LOL!

I'm sick and tired of people thinking we need to be the cleaners of the world, let the dumb bastards in the Middle East take care of there own trash...and that goes for the Jews and Palestinians in Isreal also.

The world is becoming alot smaller Al, we all saw that on 9/11. Ignoring problems on the other side of the world doesn't mean they won't impact us or just go away.

Saddam, back in the first gulf war had his eye on Saudi Arabia which was why they were so eager to get us to help get him out of Kuwait. Had we not, Saddam would have owned something like 75% of the worlds oil reserves.

Even democrats profess this is true and why clinton sought approval to send in cruise missles to Iraq based upon the fact they had WMD.

By being the richest and most powerful nation and the only superpower left, we have a responsibility to the world, partly for them, and partly for our own interests and safety.

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Originally posted by Al's Prowler:
Tell the truth, if it where a Democrat president you would be whining for an impeachment.

If that were true Al, folks would have tried to impeach Carter, Johnson, JFK, etc. In fact, the whole impeachment thing with clinton didn't come up till the later part of his career.

And you can't impeach anyone just because they won. LOL!

I'm sick and tired of people thinking we need to be the cleaners of the world, let the dumb bastards in the Middle East take care of there own trash...and that goes for the Jews and Palestinians in Isreal also.

The world is becoming alot smaller Al, we all saw that on 9/11. Ignoring problems on the other side of the world doesn't mean they won't impact us or just go away.

Saddam, back in the first gulf war had his eye on Saudi Arabia which was why they were so eager to get us to help get him out of Kuwait. Had we not, Saddam would have owned something like 75% of the worlds oil reserves.

Even democrats profess this is true and why clinton sought approval to send in cruise missles to Iraq based upon the fact they had WMD.

By being the richest and most powerful nation and the only superpower left, we have a responsibility to the world, partly for them, and partly for our own interests and safety.

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Originally posted by Al's Prowler:

You didn't answer my question, if it where a Democrat president would you have asked that he be impeached because he didn't no what the hell he was talking about?

No, not even democrats in the senate or congress are asking as rediculous as this. What are you talking about? You don't impeach someone because they got elected or because they did something the other party didn't like. Read up on constitutional law and get back with me.

You'd have to be ignorant not believe the real reason Bush went to war with Iraq was just to remove Sadam. I don't think you get it, as long as we do all the dirty work countries like Saudi Arabia will just sit back and do nothing... and no it's not our responsibility to the world take out all the trash. The way you describe it those camel jockey's can't defend themselfs, if they want to survive then let them do the spending and dying.

Unbelievable, you insult me and name call an entire race of folks. Let me guess, you're a compansionate liberal?

BTW, How many of the 9/11 terrorist were from Irag, and was most of the funding from Iraq or Saudia Arabia?

How many were born there? I'm not sure. How many passed through there, I believe alot of them but, then again, they also passed through Germany, France, England, and the United States. This is not your typical adversary, they have no one country or a uniform or a standard way of conducting business or war.

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Originally posted by SirReal:
pssst hey YellowFever your guy won. the war is over drop your weapon and look up the word humble in the dictionary. now before you attack about "your guy", was Clinton your guy while serving as president? poor winners amaze me. your guy and my guy both have spoken about uniting America yet you are still firing rounds. now I hope you hold true to the theme of this topic.

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Unless my passport said something different in the 90's, clinton was MY president. Did I vote for him? No. Doesn't mean he wasn't my president. Did I like getting taxed more? No. Was I really troubled when my president looked us ALL in the face on TV and lied to us as a collective nation and said, "I did not have sex with that woman" only for the blue dress of shame to turn up a couple of weeks later? Yes.

My only thought with this thread was that kerry said he had this great (albeit secret) plan to create 10 million new jobs if he was elected. Well, since he wasn't I'd hope he'd share it anyway for the greater good of America.

Perhaps he will, time will tell if he is a man of his word.

"I believe that what we started in this campaign will not end here. And I know our fight goes on to put America back to work and make our economy a great engine of job growth"
-kerry Nov 3/2004

posted 11-04-2004 06:38 PM         

Unbelievable, you insult me and name call an entire race of folks. Let me guess, you're a compansionate liberal?

Not even close, see that's your problem..you think all democrats are a " compansionate liberal ". How did I insult you, don't tell me you really believed Bush sole reason for going into Iraq was because he knew there were WMD there. Anyways, I'm done with you. Have a nice day.