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enduro
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posted 02-26-2004 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for enduro     
What American jobs can't be done by someone in a foriegn country... and why?


FL Blue Kat
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posted 02-26-2004 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FL Blue Kat     
All government jobs, for obvious reasons. The politicians are always safe.



Bob Miller
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posted 02-26-2004 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Miller     
The entertainment industry. American movies are in demand almost everyplace I've lived and worked overseas, and so is the latest American pop music.

Pro sports can be done in some instances by someone in a foreign country, but they have to come to the USA to do it. Pro basketball has that Chinese fellow, major league baseball has Japanese, Korean, Dutch and a host of Latin Americans, but they work in the USA.

In my work overseas, we are required to "buy American" whenever possible. When it come to vehicles the US government definition of what is an American vehicle is complicated. For example we could buy a Honda assembled in the USA and that was considered an American vehicle, but a Ford Ranger assembled in Italy was considered a foreign vehicle. I used to have a 20 page chart issued by the federal government that gave the assembly point of all vehicles and the percentage of foreign-made parts in each vehicle.


ALLEY CAT
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posted 02-26-2004 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
GaryC's job,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ed's job,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

my position at the Prowler Museum,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

why?,,,,,, we are not taking application!

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On the serious side, its called outsourcing. Finding a way to make it cheaper elsewhere,,,eliminating U.S. production and manufacturing workers' jobs. Fueled by the efforts of WAL-MART,,,,,Always lower wages, ALWAYS!

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This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 02-26-2004 at 10:36 PM

enduro
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posted 02-26-2004 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for enduro     
FL, I agree that the politicians are going to be safe from export (unfortunately), but most government "office" jobs could in theory be done in a foreign land. I mean no disrespect, but virtually ANY office job could be done in another country. What difference would it make if you send your tax forms to Kansas City or Korea. Social Security checks could just as easily be mailed from an office in India as in Indiana. Phones can be re-routed anywhere.

Obviously, some government jobs can't be shipped out. But there are a lot that could be, in theory. Just like most any other industry. Some of our military equipment is being made offshore already. Why not all of it?

Bob, why couldn't movies be filmed overseas?
Yes, professional sports probably falls into the import proof category. Then again, there's a lot of aspects that I don't see as being exempt.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. Just looking toward the future.




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posted 02-26-2004 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tangled up in BLUE     
...None of my businesses are affected by foreign markets.....In my car rental businesses I don't buy imports at all.....tobacco stores we do buy foreign made cigarettes, most are discount products and don't sell well.....


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posted 02-26-2004 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin A     
I sell laser welding and laser cutting equipment to the automotive, medical instrument, Tier 1-3 auto suppliers, and many other industrial segments. It is a real shame how often I see and hear about this or that plant closing. It's a real heart breaker when a customer calls asking for a Spanish language version of our manuals because the machine is being shipped down south. Unfortunately businesses are rewarded for these cost saving measures and we will lose our industrial base in a decade or so if this continues. The ironic thing is that the greatest loyalty I see to domestic production are the Japanese transplant companies (Honda, Toyota, etc.) that push to have as much of their supply come from local manufacturers. They may be a good source of our future!

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posted 02-26-2004 09:17 AM           
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Originally posted by Bob Miller:
The entertainment industry. American movies are in demand almost everyplace I've lived and worked overseas, and so is the latest American pop music.

Uh, you haven't been following the hollyweird crowd to closely then. Filmmakers and studios are migrating movie shoots and production studios to Canada, and South of the border more then in the USA, in droves. Why? Cost and no unions. Tim Robinson even made a speech at the last Golden Globes to the directors and studios to, "Stop exporting our jobs".

Anything that can be made, can be made cheaper in a 3rd world country. Any type of service industry (bookkeeping, help desk, accounting, software development, phone support) can be exported and done alot cheaper overseas.

While I am all for a free market, I see this latest wave as detrimental to the USA. Once a great country that everyone looked up to, we are going to end up being a country that produces nothing, makes nothing, and all our talent comes from abroad.

It's one thing to make tennis shoes in Taiwan but, when they start wholesale exporting white collar jobs where folks over here were making $60-$150K a year, there is a massive trickle down effect with it. These are the backbone of this country, they are the conspicuous consumers, they buy homes and nice cars, etc. Now this is going to effect the nicer home market, the car industry, and so on.

I was talking to a guy at a Ford dealership just yesterday. He was displaced years ago from the oil patch and said he could sell 35-45 units a month and make a decent living. Nowadays, he says he works twice as long, and is very lucky to sell 5-7 units a month.




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posted 02-26-2004 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale Beaman     
School Bus drivers can't be out sourced! The good news about the job is that all of your troubles are behind you!

Office workers better worry many companies are looking to send your work overseas. This all started when Carter was president and is really starting to snowball. Florida has a law that all state government work outsourced can't be sent out of the country. Should have the same law in the US.

Factory workers it's too late for the most part. Building products is what produces wealth for the masses and we have sent most of the manufacturing to Third World Countries with only the management getting wealthy.

This is being blamed on the Republicans and Bush but it started with the Democrats in the 70's & 80's and now the Liberals are as usual blaming others!

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posted 02-26-2004 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Miller     
I don't think this is an issue that we should blame on dems or repubs. This is a product of the global economy of which we are a part, and I think this was going to happen no matter who was sitting in the White House. I think we all agree the genesis for this is "the bottom line." Seems to me the only way to keep the jobs here at home is to levy a higher tax on companies that export their job. The percentage would be proportionate not to the percentage of jobs exported, but the percentage of the company's revenue derived from outsourcing. Yes we'd pay more for the things we buy, but more of us would be working and paying taxes. I can tell you a fact from my many years living in developing countries that most of those workers DO NOT pay taxes to their respective governments on their earnings. We can use emotional arguments why we need to keep jobs in the US, but the reality is that our political leaders need to implement financial measures to keep outsourcing overseas from being so lucrative. That's my 2-cents...

This message has been edited by Bob Miller on 02-26-2004 at 11:54 AM

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posted 02-26-2004 12:12 PM           
Bob, I agree but, from a different perspective. I wouldn't tax those going overseas more, I offer tax incentives to companies that stayed.

Make it worth their while to want to stay. Think of it like the "empowerment zones" where businesses get tax breaks and differments on city/state taxes for building businesses in disadvantaged neighborhoods.

On the other hand, some companies are already seeing the pitfalls of this. Dell recently pulled back it's phone support from India because of too much complaining. Companies know the bottom line and if customers are going elsewhere because of exportation and lack of command of the english language, it makes sense to bring it all home.

The one thing alot of these companies eager to save a buck haven't thought about is war. India and Pakistan hate each other and almost started a nuclear war with each other in 2002 (possibly 2003). All it will take is one to lob a bomb across the border and how many companies will be out of business overnight?????

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posted 02-26-2004 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Miller     
Yeah I like you idea about the empowerment zones. Sad to think the whole USA would be a giant empowerment zone...

I understand Dell's problems. I was living in south Asia for four years before returning home in August of last year. I have encountered all sorts of English speakers around the globe and I find the Indian dialect the most difficult to understand.

I have a Toshiba lap top and whenever I call for help I always get someone in Toronto though and communication is not an issue.

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posted 02-26-2004 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ETMIDZT     
How about Monuments (Head stones) New customers everyday! Customers families won't wait for one to come from China......Gotta have it Now!
As far as Manf.! I have a mach. shop & it's a battle competing with offshore.......It ain't right!


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posted 02-26-2004 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MDProwler     
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posted 02-26-2004 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale Beaman     
Talked to someone the other day and their company was considering out sourcing but the product they made was so heavy that even though it could be made cheaper overseas the shipping costs made it prohibitive. So make something heavy!

My concern is that the globalization of the world economy is at the expense of the American family. It should not be hurting one economy to enrich another. Not only do we loose jobs in the USA but the Federal Government pays the costs associated with transfer of the jobs including identifying the jobs to send, cost of the machinery, etc. In fact another friend was a controller of a clothing manufacturing plant in the USA and when the feds found a third world country to send the work to the plant had to shut down because they lost the contracts. Guess what happened next? The Feds then bought the idle equipment at less than half of what it originally cost and sent it overseas!!

The American tax payer not only lost his job but his taxes also paid for it to be eliminated. Bob, you may not think it is political but that sure sounds like liberalism to me!
Don't get me wrong I am a very conservative Republican, but this topic really get me fired up!

Please don't take what I say the wrong way. There are so many aspects to this topic....well enough said. Can't wait for warm sunny days to put the top down and go crusing and forgetting about the crap that bugs me!!!! :-)

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Bob Miller
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posted 02-26-2004 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Miller     
Amen to that! Supposed to be 60 here this weekend!!!


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posted 02-27-2004 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for enduro     
I apologize if bringing up this topic has gotten anybody all worked up or upset, but I do think it's an important issue. I've been asking similar questions to various groups over the last couple of years, and it's been just recently that many people are starting to realize what's happening. I'm not an activist by any means, but I think it's important for more folks to start thinking about this stuff, and how it will affect them in the future. I personally don't want to lower my standard of living, but that's apparently the direction we're heading.

I agree...time for spring, and topless cruising. Just don't totally ignore the big picture.

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posted 02-27-2004 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     
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Enduro, how did the wine and cheese survey turn out? Revenge yet?


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posted 02-27-2004 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GenoTex     
Transportation (trains) of commodities within the North American continent....



enduro
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posted 02-27-2004 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enduro     
Ed, let's just say that at the moment the feud's on hold. Revenge was sweet! Just re-grouping for the next round.


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posted 02-27-2004 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GenoTex     
and along these lines..........
the 'tough' question...

how insistent are YOU that the products you buy are made in the USA/Canada whenever possible? When's the last time you really looked to see if that t-shirt...or whatever... was made here before you bought it? Or was it the least expensive/most convenient thing for you to get?

We do not help the 'big picture' if we dont stop to look at all the small decisions that we make that contribute to the larger ones.

Here's a challenge for ya... walk into "Any Mall USA" and start shopping for American Made products only.... and then question the store owners.....

After WONDERFUL experiences with Nissans & Toyotas for many years and many models, I made a Personal Decision 20 years ago to never buy another foreign car... so far so good. One small step....

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posted 02-27-2004 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GenoTex     
quote:
Originally posted by enduro:
Ed, \ Just re-grouping for the next round.

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posted 02-28-2004 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enduro     
Geno, I'm one of the most annoying shoppers you can possibly imagine (just ask my wife). Nearly everything I buy is American made. I figure that if it's not made in America, I don't need it that bad. Yes, some concessions have been made...but I try very hard. There's a lot of products that I don't own simply because I can't find an American made version. That's one reason I dress so funny...because I have a real hard time buying clothes that are still made in this country. Dress shoes from Fleet Farm (Work and Sport brand, made in Wisconsin) T-shirts with stupid sayings on them (made in Alaska of all places), and alike. Wouldn't replace my garden hose all last summer because I couldn't find a U.S. made version.


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posted 02-28-2004 01:19 PM           
quote:
Originally posted by GenoTex:
and along these lines..........
the 'tough' question...

how insistent are YOU that the products you buy are made in the USA/Canada whenever possible? When's the last time you really looked to see if that t-shirt...or whatever... was made here before you bought it? Or was it the least expensive/most convenient thing for you to get?

You may have to look long and hard to find one that is made here. And when you do, it may not be what you were looking for or wanted.

After WONDERFUL experiences with Nissans & Toyotas for many years and many models, I made a Personal Decision 20 years ago to never buy another foreign car... so far so good. One small step....

Actually, is it? That is the question we all have been raising. O.K., you stop buying the Nissan's and Toyota's but, both have factories in the USA. So who are you hurting?

You instead by Ford or Chevy or... and they have plants in Mexico or abroad. So who are you helping?

I don't think it is so black and white any more.




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