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ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 |
posted 01-05-2004 10:45 PM
After over a decade of lying to the public, his former team mates, his former players, and to MLB in general,,,,,,what should happen to Pete Rose after today admitting he bet on baseball games while the manager of the Reds? Answer either Yes or No: A. Should the ban be lifted? B. Should he be voted into the MLB Hall of Fame? C. Your opinions (optional) This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 01-08-2004 at 10:59 PM |
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ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 |
posted 01-05-2004 11:33 PM
How many times did Doc Gooden get to try drug rehab? If you are drugged up could it hurt your teams chances? Could it enhance your performance? What about all these home run hitters? It is split here in Cincinnati where he was born and raised and played most of his career. Feelings are very strong here, both pro and con ( no pun intended). When he had the hitting streak going he put a lot of butts in the seats. He was exciting to watch and always gave 100 %. He was a hot dog and I did not care for him early on but I got converted. If you watch his highlight films you get chills if you are a baseball fan. I say let him in the HOF but supposedly he would rather get back in the game than into the HOF. i am not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. It doesn't make any difference what WE think, anyway. At the 100th Anniv. when he was named to the All-Century Team, he got the loudest, longest ovation. If Major League B.B. can use him for that, why is he banned from some other things. Again, it does not matter if you agree or disagree with me. It is just an opinion. |
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Gary C Prowler Junkie Posts: 12017 |
posted 01-06-2004 12:03 AM
He lied for 14 years and we are not supposed to believe he didn't bet on his own team,,,,DONT THINK SO.... Hall of Shame |
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tangled up in BLUE Prowler Junkie Posts: 11086 |
posted 01-06-2004 12:29 AM
not a sports fan here....I have attended two baseball games and one football game in my entire life.....and never watch it on TV....but I must admit it all has the smell of WWF Wrestling to me......either let him in or don't.....but get to the "three count" and move on.... |
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Al's Prowler Prowler Junkie Posts: 1374 |
posted 01-06-2004 04:28 AM
Let him in, they have farrrrr worse players in there now. Al |
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Chromer Prowler Junkie Posts: 2723 |
posted 01-06-2004 06:13 AM
My answere is "B-c" After being in arrogant denial for years (and finally realizing that's not going to get him what he want's) he should be thanked for Now being honest. THEN he should banned from baseball forever AND THEN have is thumbs cut off. |
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whealy Prowler Junkie Posts: 1360 |
posted 01-06-2004 07:14 AM
Grew up a Big Red Machine fan only 100 miles from Cincy. So I've watched him all my life. While some are in the "Hall" that may not be perfect role models, his situation is different. The president for how not to get into the hall was set before his incedent. He knew the rules. He admitts to breaking some of them. No, I say he stays out. |
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YellowFever unregistered Posts: 1360 |
posted 01-06-2004 08:42 AM
He has lied for about 16+ years and now to boost sales of his new book, he decides to come clean but, how clean? We now know what all have suspected all along, that he was lying so, is he disclosing the full truth now? Ask yourself, what is his motive for coming "clean" (perhaps only partially), now? Why did he wait so long? He was an adult then, as he is now, and knew the consequences of his actions, yet did it anyway. What does this say to the youth of this country if they let him in now? Sure he lied, sure that bans him for life, but hey, after a few years, we'll let you in anyway so go ahead and do anything you want. I'm also so tired of all the overpaid, undereducated, wife-beating, drug using, murdering, now reformed atheletes being the "role" models on TV. Thumbs down to rose, for LIFE. |
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Randy Cobb Prowler Junkie Posts: 4070 |
posted 01-06-2004 09:17 AM
A. - NO B. - NO Unlike Tangled I'm a big sports fan. I have had mixed emotions and thoughts about the Rose situation. Great player with hustle and great heart which are traits for all to emulate, but total denial and then admission for what APPEARS to be a sympathy vote galls me. The latter outweighs the former for me. I really wanted to believe Rose. If he had said right out of the gate that he had bet on baseball this whole issue may be behind us today, but when he says NOW that he never bet against his team and only on other games, I have a hard time believing him. ------------------ |
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CTProwler Prowler Junkie Posts: 3915 |
posted 01-06-2004 09:20 AM
Lift the ban! Admit him into Baseball's Hall of Fame! It is for what he did on the field, not off. Thats what any sports Hall of Fame should be for, on field, court,(Ice) Ability! Is Pete a good guy? No i don't think so! I think he's self centered, arrogant, but he was a great baseball player. I just wish they would get it over with.  ------------------ |
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Black Tie 161 Prowler Junkie Posts: 3563 |
posted 01-06-2004 09:23 AM
I could be wrong...But I heard that you have 17 years to be admitted in the hall of fame while still alive,then you have to be dead....so Rose's admittance is being called very calculated. I wonder though....did Rose deny betting in a court of law? Did he ever lie UNDER OATH? If so....Would that mean he committed perjury in the denials??? My opinion? Let's make Rose President of the US next year! he's as honest as any politician! |
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Kraut Prowler Junkie Posts: 1300 |
posted 01-06-2004 09:25 AM
In or out, Rose will be remembered as one of the greatest players to ever play the game. He will be the all time hit leader for a long time, maybe forever. He also holds a number of other records, which will stand for a long time to come. He was clearly one of the most exiting players in the history of baseball. You can vote him out, but you can't erase his accomplishments, and you can't call anyone else the all time hit leader. We can pretend he didn't exist, but we can't put anyone else in his shoes until someone breaks his records. Forgive him or not, but give him his rightful place in baseball history. ------------------ |
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enduro Prowler Junkie Posts: 235 |
posted 01-06-2004 09:32 AM
I'm not a big baseball fan, but this issue isn't really a baseball issue. We're all expected to know the difference between right and wrong. He apparently knew it was against the rules to gamble, since he lied about it when confronted. He knew that the punishment was a lifetime ban. He chose his course, and if MLB wants to keep any credibility at all, they have no choice but to stand their ground and keep the lifetime ban in place. As a player, I'm sure he belongs in the Hall of Fame. But if it was up to me, he would be inducted the day after he dies, since it's a "lifetime" ban. That way fans of the game can still pay tribute to a great player, but the man himself would see no more glory. |
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butchcee Prowler Junkie Posts: 7476 |
posted 01-06-2004 10:42 AM
Hey Pete,Yer Out |
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CJ Prowler Junkie Posts: 18860 |
posted 01-06-2004 10:43 AM
I agree with Enduro except for inducting him after he dies. This world is getting very short on values and morals. Children look up to actors/actresses, sports figures, politicians, etc. - sometimes even more so than their own parents. People make mistakes - we all do - but the true character of a person is to be honest and take responsibility for their mistakes. Randy....as a parent, I applaud your actions with your son. Discipline and teaching lessons is difficult at best, but standing your ground is to be commended! |
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Bcoffman Gray Ghost Prowler Junkie Posts: 2418 |
posted 01-06-2004 10:44 AM
My question is: Is the Hall of Fame about stats or character? |
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Wayne Finch Prowler Junkie Posts: 4011 |
posted 01-06-2004 10:54 AM
BGG, I agree. It is about stats. The nicest, most dedicated and most honorable, but sub-par players, have zero chance of making it into the Hall of Fame. I am not a Rose fan, but from a stats point of view, he definitely deserves to be in there. No question about it. I do, however, like the idea about inducting him after he is gone. |
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Lone Ranger Prowler Junkie Posts: 2120 |
posted 01-06-2004 11:09 AM
quote: This guy was the best singles hitter the game ever saw and undoubtedly was the best ever. It has been said that records are meant to be broken but his hit record in particular WILL NEVER be broken. Think about having over 4000 hits in a career. That's over twenty years having 200 or more hits EVERY YEAR. Today's players won't even play 20 years and seldom get 200 hits in any year. Not counting some of his other records which may be broken his hit total alone should be enough for election. All that said i cannot forgive him his lying about betting on games and i can't believe he didn't bet on his own team(s). Give him his due after the "lifetime" ban. Also isn't it strange that with the short window he now has to be elected the book comes out and he confesses his sins. Please. Pete if i was filling out a ballot it would be thumbs down. |
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CWatsonJr Prowler Junkie Posts: 2728 |
posted 01-06-2004 11:38 AM
quote: Pete Rose is undoubtedly one of the most talented players in baseball but one of the requirements to be admitted into the hall of fame is integrity. That he did not show. I say, let his stats and everything he did as a player show. He has some lofty stats that may never be broken. I don't think he should be back in baseball though, or in the hall of fame. He has lied this whole time and who is to say he isn't still lying today. Only Pete Rose will know for sure. I don't think you can compare this to those who are drug abusers... should they be banned as well? Yes! The question is of integrity though - he bet on baseball games he was involved in. Whether he bet to win or lose, I don't it think makes a difference. He still bet while he was active in baseball. How soon we forget the Black Sox.
This message has been edited by CWatsonJr on 01-06-2004 at 11:38 AM |
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ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 |
posted 01-06-2004 01:08 PM
BT 161, you are not eligible for the HOF until after 5 yrs from your last game. For the next 15 years you are eligible to be elected by the Baseball Writers (with 10 years experience) and then you are no longer eligible by the writers. At that point you are eligible by the veteran's committee, which is basically the guys already in the HOF. There are some other minor rules, also. You need 75 % of the votes cast, so if a writer sends in a blank ballot, that counts against you. |
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jmcant1 Prowler Junkie Posts: 1037 |
posted 01-06-2004 01:30 PM
Grew up (and still live) an hour from Cincy. Had a 8x10 of THE hit that a friend of mine took. Sent it to my pal Ed a few months ago when I was cleaning out my office. Pete's credibility is nada. He's been nothing but a liar for 14 years. He has no one to blame but himself. He could have handled things a whole lot differently, but he chose not to. If he gets in HOF, there should be a caveat that he can never manage in the bigs again... Mike (Tony Perez fan!) |
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YellowFever unregistered Posts: 1037 |
posted 01-06-2004 01:54 PM
quote: Of course, they have a caveat that if you bet on the game you are banned for life already. If one is broken, so shall the other be..... As a wise man once said when speaking about the lack of morals in society, "There are no laws, only rules, and rules are meant to be broken" Sad but, true....... I guess rose could say it all depends on what a "bet" is, or what "is" is, or any other klintoonism one can conjour. |
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YellowFever unregistered Posts: 1037 |
posted 01-06-2004 01:56 PM
quote: Black Tie is/was in the majors???? Who'd uv guessed. LOL! |
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Terry Prowler Junkie Posts: 489 |
posted 01-06-2004 02:10 PM
I'm a great fan of Mickey Mantle (Hall of Famer). Was he a good role model? I wouldn't want my kids to drink like he did. Ty Cobb was a great ball player, but of horrible character. Can they vote him out of the Hall of Fame? Pete Rose has gotten more publicity for not being included in the Hall of Fame than anyone has received for being voted into the Hall of Fame. That makes for great book sales. Talent wise, it's a no-brainer. But maybe it's time character matter. All considering, there isn't a good choice. Vote him in, character doesn't matter - our children have poor behavior validated. Keep him out, Pete stays in the public eye: in turn the negative publicity is, in itself, a reward. Once again Pete Rose comes out on top. Love him or hate, you know him. Terry |
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YellowFever unregistered Posts: 489 |
posted 01-06-2004 02:55 PM
quote: I disagree, we've heard nothing of him for years. When this blows over, his 15 minutes will be up again and no one will care. Personally, I think it's all a stunt to boost sales of his book which coincidently was just release. Won't buy it, won't read it, don't care. |
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