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YellowFever unregistered Posts: 971 |
posted 12-24-2003 08:08 AM
My 5 year old told me this the other day. It was something she learned in church. Just say no to XMas, don't take the Christ out of Christmas. With all that some politicians are doing to try to remove Christ from anything ("In God we trust" on money is next), she has a point. Amen!!! |
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Wayne Finch Prowler Junkie Posts: 4011 |
posted 12-24-2003 08:52 AM
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mayordoug Prowler Junkie Posts: 71 |
posted 12-24-2003 08:55 AM
I don't have the research in front of me, so I can't quote with authority, but, the X in Xmas originated with the early Christians, and was used to symbolize Christ. It is a Greek letter I think. (Chi?). So, while I don't use the term Xmas, I do think of the origins of the X as honoring the early Christians who so bravely and steadfastly spread the word across the entire WORLD. Merry Christmas All!!! |
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butchcee Prowler Junkie Posts: 7476 |
posted 12-24-2003 10:23 AM
The ACLU bites IMHO |
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Rich Tilden Prowler Junkie Posts: 343 |
posted 12-24-2003 10:59 AM
I certainly agree with the ACLU comment! Here are some "facts" about the "X" in Christmas: Origins: The abbreviation of 'Xmas' for 'Christmas' is neither modern nor disrespectful. The notion that it is a new and vulgar representation of the word 'Christmas' seems to stem from the erroneous belief that the letter 'X' is used to stand for the word 'Christ' because of its resemblance to a cross, or that the abbreviation was deliberately concocted "to take the 'Christ' out of Christmas." Actually, this usage is nearly as old as Christianity itself, and its origins lie in the fact that the first letter in the Greek word for 'Christ' is 'chi,' and the Greek letter 'chi' is represented by a symbol similar to the letter 'X' in the modern Roman alphabet. Hence 'Xmas' is indeed perfectly legitimate abbreviation for the word 'Christmas' (just as 'Xian' is also sometimes used as an abbreviation of the word 'Christian'). None of this means that Christians (and others) aren't justified in feeling slighted when people write 'Xmas' rather than 'Christmas,' but the point is that the abbreviation was not created specifically for the purpose of demeaning Christ, Christians, Christianity, or Christmas -- it's a very old artifact of a very different language. Even so, I'd rather see "Christ" than "X"!!!! This message has been edited by Rich Tilden on 12-24-2003 at 11:01 AM |
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idive Prowler Junkie Posts: 8483 |
posted 12-24-2003 11:14 AM
quote: Just a little more trivia on your last comment... I worked at Fox Photo for a while back when, and a lady paid for her pictures with a $10 bill. Something about that bill looked odd. I noticed that at the time, but I took it anyway and stuck it under the drawer to compare to another $10 bill later. When I got a free moment to compare, I found that it did not say "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the bill. Then I looked at the date, and it was a very old $10 bill. Well, I collect monies, so I was going to keep it for myself and replace it with my own $10 bill. The lady came back about 30 minutes later asking if she paid for her pictures with that $10 bill. Being the honest person that I am, I told her she did, and gave it back to her for another $10 bill. She was VERY relieved. When Roosevelt was in office, he had "IN GOD WE TRUST" removed from our money. When he left office, it was put back on. ------------------   |
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YellowFever unregistered Posts: 8483 |
posted 12-24-2003 12:53 PM
According to my sources, "In God We Trust" was not on any paper currency till 1957 (way after FDR). Not an FDR backer, just can't find any info on it. Anyone know???? In God We Trust The use of the national motto on both U.S. coins and currency notes is required by two statutes, 31 U.S.C. 5112(d) (1) and 5114(b), respectively. The motto was not adopted for use on U.S. paper currency until 1957. It first appeared on some 1935G Series $1 Silver Certificates, but didn't appear on U.S. Federal Reserve Notes until the Series 1963 currency. This use of the national motto has been challenged in court many times over the years that it has been in use, and has been consistently upheld by the various courts of this country, including the U.S. Supreme Court as recently as 1977. The Department of the Treasury and the Department of Justice intend to actively defend against challenges to the use of the national motto. In 1992, a challenge was filed and successfully defeated in the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland. |
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Rich Tilden Prowler Junkie Posts: 343 |
posted 12-25-2003 10:25 PM
Some more facts: In 2002, Frank P. Williamson, a retired chemical engineer, spent $3,000 to purchase 300 16-by-20-inch framed posters displaying the motto "In God We Trust" in large white letters over the red, white, and blue colors of the American flag. Mr. Williamson donated the posters for display in public buildings (city halls, schools, libraries, police stations, and post offices) throughout Montgomery County, Texas, saying: "After the terrorist attacks on 9/11, I thought it would be good to promote our national motto. I know that the only reason we've been successful in the past is that our forefathers put their trust in God way back." In November 2002, a United States Postal Service (USPS) supervisor ordered the removal of these posters from the lobbies of government-owned post offices in several Montgomery county towns (including Montgomery, Dobbin, and Willis) because they "did not fit within postal guidelines," citing a USPS regulation prohibiting the "depositing or posting of handbills, flyers, pamphlets, signs, posters, placards, or other literature (except official postal and other governmental notices and announcements) in interior public areas on postal premises." (A small post office north of Houston was allowed to keep its poster on display after a supervisor determined that the office was a privately-run contract facility and was therefore not subject to the same "facility standards" as government-owned post offices.) The United States' use of a national motto with a religious reference despite the First Amendment's prohibition against Congress' making any "law respecting an establishment of religion" remains a contentious issue. "In God We Trust" was established as the national motto of the United States through a law (36 U.S.C. Section 186) passed by Congress in 1956, and two federal statutes require its use on all U.S. coins and currency. Three federal appeals courts have heard cases (most recently in 1996) challenging the constitutionality of the mandated appearance of "In God We Trust" on coinage and currency, but all these cases have so far been unsuccessful. (The United States Supreme Court has not yet decided a case challenging the constitutionality of the national motto.) The precedent remains the ruling handed down by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in 1970, that "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency, 'In God We Trust', has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of a patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise." |
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ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 |
posted 12-26-2003 08:49 AM
I remember when they added IN GOD WE TRUST but don't remember the year. 1957 sounds about right. That is about the time they added (Under God) to the Pledge of Allegiance, also. |
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