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condor Prowler Junkie Posts: 734 |
posted 10-01-2005 05:01 PM
I testdrove the new 300C, thats hits the europe showroom at the 18. Nov. ths year. Wow, !! the 300CRD feels a lot more powerful than the hemi V8 from low rpm on. At 1600rpm the V6 diesel delivers 510NM ! ( Hemi has 525NM at 4000rpm) .The CRD feels like a very light car, with very impressive power at 2000rmp. (Like a HotRod ?). The car has a good handling, has a stiffer suspension than the US gas version . The complete engine is out of the 2006 Mercedes 320cdi limo. Automatic trans is standard. The 300 CRD goes 30miles to a gallon, the engine a super quite !, like the hole car. Top cruising speed is 144mp/h, the car feels still very save and runs perfect straight and quite along the autobahn at this speed. More tourgh and HP will be aviable early 2006, the only bad thing is, the 300CRD will be not aviable in the USA ! This message has been edited by condor on 10-01-2005 at 05:03 PM |
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Fat Pat Prowler Junkie Posts: 1242 |
posted 10-01-2005 05:06 PM
Sorry Condor...but diesels belong in locomotives, old sub marines, John Deeres, Kenworths, Caterpillars, and not in many other places..certainly not in pick ups or cars!! |
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condor Prowler Junkie Posts: 734 |
posted 10-01-2005 05:21 PM
I know ! But, 70% of the new cars in germany are running diesel engines. You can not compare them with the old John Deeres, Kenworths, Caterpillars Engines. You hear no diesel sound anymore. Power is a lot higher than on Gas engines. New diesel have lots of tourgh, and need a lot less gas. Even my little audi diesel goes 120mp/h and does 69miles to a gallon. Gas price is no big question in this rides. I wonder why only a few cars models of german car companies are aviable in the USA. Like,I dont see the nice and fast full size vans in the US. (up to 500hp) But, your gas price is still so cheap, that you have not to care ! If you have to pay between 6.5 and 7 USD to a gallon, you will start to think too. Anyway, on my hobby cars ( Prowler, 34 Ford Street Rods, soon a SSR ) I dont care too. This message has been edited by condor on 10-01-2005 at 05:22 PM |
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01Prowler Prowler Junkie Posts: 5068 |
posted 10-01-2005 05:23 PM
If they brought it here I would buy one. In my opinion diesel is going to be the new wave of the future in cars again. More and more TDI vehicles are coming to market. These aren't the diesels of the 80's that's for sure! |
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pumpkin Prowler Junkie Posts: 7907 |
posted 10-01-2005 05:58 PM
I have a few Mercedes in my den right now 1989 560 Sl, 1993 300E sportline, 1997 Sl 500AE, 1998 SLK and would love the E 320 cdi. to be included. Your talking about a sweet ride. Great pick up (for a diesel) o to 60 in around 6.6 seconds, no more black smoke, a long way from a diesel of the past. I don't think they have a glow plug, do they?. No upkeep on this baby.780 miles to a tank of diesel or around 37mpg highway. |
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Fat Pat Prowler Junkie Posts: 1242 |
posted 10-01-2005 07:43 PM
Problem with diesels as I see it is the initial cost and upkeep vs a gasoline engine. As an example, the new Chevalay uses an Izuzu (Japanese made) hi tech diesel...no black smoke, very little noise and pretty good numbers as far as torque and horsepower. What people forget about is that the 496 gas engine makes just as much torque and horsepower (albiet at higher rpm) for 6000 dollars less initial cost. That 6 grand will buy a hell of a bunch of gasoline. Also the upkeep on a diesel is about triple that of the 496 gas Chevalay engine. Diesel people will tell you that the diesel will go 300,000 miles without major engine work and that may be true...but the body won't go that far and almost ANY gas engine these days will go 200,000 miles without any major work. Diesels do have their place and we couldn't do without them in certain areas like the transportation industry, but you will have trouble convincing me that they belong in a pickup or a car. |
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01Prowler Prowler Junkie Posts: 5068 |
posted 10-02-2005 01:11 AM
quote: Pat, The 496 engine you are referring to might have the same torque and hp figures, or pretty close to the Duramax diesel, but if you are towing something you need the power down low to get the load moving. In my opinion the 496 engine is extremely light duty compared to a diesel, try towing 20,000 lbs with a gasoline engine every day for many miles, I can guarantee you that engine will be history long before it comes close to 100k miles. I have talked to quite a few guys with V10 engines, and they swear that they will never make that mistake again, and will spend the extra money for a diesel next time. Routine service does cost more in a diesel because it takes a lot more oil than a gasoline engine around 12 quarts give or take. However the entervals can be spaced out further than a gasoline engine. A good ball park figure is 7500 miles, and that is still being safe. Diesels don't need tune ups either. No worries about spark plugs and all that other stuff. Resale is also another very important area to look at as well. There are many gasoline powered 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks that can be picked up a dime a dozen, however you won't find too many cheap diesels out there unless they are just completely worn out. You definately get your money back in the end with a diesel. Trust me I know from experience. Anyway that's just my 2 cents. This message has been edited by 01Prowler on 10-02-2005 at 01:19 AM |
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Austrian Prowler Prowler Junkie Posts: 323 |
posted 10-02-2005 03:46 AM
The 300CRD is a MUST for the european market and the sales numbers. This engine will push the 300C sale.  Like Condor said: Here have 70% of the new cars a diesel engine!! |
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condor Prowler Junkie Posts: 734 |
posted 10-02-2005 04:38 AM
Dont compare the old american diesel engines with 2006 Mercedes , Audi, VW and BMW high-tech diesel engines. If yu are in europe, testdrive a 320cid V6 or 400cid V8 Mercedes, or testride a VW Touarec V8 Gas to a V10 diesel, the BMW 745 diesel runs powlerful. One of the reasons why they are not aviable in the USA is, because the USA diesel is not so high-grate fuel like in europe. The USA gas and diesel quality is very poor. The high tech diesel will not run , and many gas engines have less HP than in the US than in Europe. Same with the chassis set up. The europe 300C (all models) are build in Austria, not in USA anymore. Europe car editions have usually a stiffer suspension, different steering set up, longer rearends and heavy duty brake systems. But, they are more expensive than USA Car models. This message has been edited by condor on 10-02-2005 at 04:41 AM |
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Fat Pat Prowler Junkie Posts: 1242 |
posted 10-02-2005 07:16 AM
01 Prowler...I have done cost comparisons on the Power Stroke Ford vs Ford's V10 for several different companies that I do tech brake consulting for and at 100,000 miles, you are 2500 dollars in the hole on the diesel compared to the Ford V10 and that is giving the diesel a 5mpg advantage in fuel consumption and using factory recommendations on oil changes and upkeep. If you are pulling a gooseneck back and forth across the USA, then the diesel might have an advantage because you can gear it higher than you can the gas engine because of the rpm where they make the most torque...but if you are doing that, you need a class 7 Freightliner anyway...not a pick up. I have a friend that owns a Bobcat dealership and he delivers Bobcats within a 250 mile radius of here and he says that the V10 Dodge is less costly per mile than the Cummins and the big V10 handles his trailers with ease. Condor is correct about the fuel quality in Europe, but we ain't in Europe. Just my 2 cents...but I have figures to back it up. |
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halicat unregistered Posts: 1242 |
posted 10-02-2005 07:27 AM
There are many diesels here in Canada... 99% of them are VW..... They are slow and stinky... everyone passes them on the highway because the smell will make you sick after a couple of miles... The only cars that smell worse are the Hyundai's.... they are also slow and stinky.... and everyone passes them because it is embarrassing to be behind them... and they stink...  |
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Bcoffman Gray Ghost Prowler Junkie Posts: 2418 |
posted 10-02-2005 10:29 AM
I have watched the development of diesels in the US pick-up for many years. The most impressive thing I've noticed is how much tubo-charging improves the performance of a diesel engine. I wonder what would happen to the 300C Euro Diesel by adding a turbo to it? That would have to make one very impressive car! |
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Fat Pat Prowler Junkie Posts: 1242 |
posted 10-02-2005 10:35 AM
The class 8 Cummins powered Kenworth land speed record holder makes 2500 horsepower with 2 huge turbos. Guy in Joplin owns the truck...he also runs a different truck in the Pikes Peak race. |
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condor Prowler Junkie Posts: 734 |
posted 10-02-2005 01:00 PM
ja´p the way of driving and the engine set up is different between germany and usa. I just came back from heidelberg , driving a mercedes full size van , cdi-diesel, going down A5 at a speed from 115mp/h at low rpm ,quite and realxed. I use in the USA a Astro or dogde full size van. The gas engine have more than double cubic inch, take 3 times more gas and have not half of the power from a cdi-diesel. Anyway, I like the relaxed way of driving in the USA more than our streß autobahns. The newest and smalles Chrysler 300cdi diesel is limmlited to 144mp/h crusing speed here. Our gas price is over 6 dollar a gallon. Diesel is one option gas ( not gasolin/benzin) is another one. More and more people put a (earth/natural)gas conversion set into their cars. My friend has a gas / gasoline option in his SSR. That lowers the gas price over to 50% This message has been edited by condor on 10-02-2005 at 01:14 PM |
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ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 |
posted 10-02-2005 08:58 PM
Diesel fuel was 3.29 the other day. |
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Austrian Prowler Prowler Junkie Posts: 323 |
posted 10-04-2005 03:29 PM
quote: In Europe Diesel is cheaper than gas: Diesel : 1.009 €/l about 4.75 USD/gallon And Austria don´t has the highest gas prices in Europe (for example Super+ in Netherlands is about 7,26 USD/gallon). So you can see, the Diesel price is also one reason, why there are so many cars with diesel engine. |
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01Prowler Prowler Junkie Posts: 5068 |
posted 10-04-2005 05:13 PM
I seen diesel for $3.69 down the street yesterday! |
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condor Prowler Junkie Posts: 734 |
posted 10-04-2005 05:41 PM
High Tech diesel is not only about the mile to the gallon price, the engines take a lot less gas (diesel< ) than the gasoliners and have more power . A bad diesel exeample is the 6.2 GM diesel ( pu-truck + hummer) nicer one´s are ML 320-400cdi, Touarec V10-TDI (320hp). A 400cdi amg in a 300C with 360hp and 800NM outrun my chevy big block easy. Many diesel engines do not meet the usa emmision standarts and the usa diesel quality is very poor . And the price for a gallon diesel is compare to gas way up to expensive. High tech diesel fluid for not more than 1.30/Gallon would change a bit in USA diesel automobiles. |
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condor Prowler Junkie Posts: 734 |
posted 10-04-2005 05:54 PM
quote: ................................................. Many VW TDI´s are 150mp/h fast here, so I dont now many |
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