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Chromer
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posted 09-16-2005 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chromer     
I've voted for the guy twice..(regretfully) I have to say that everything he touches turns to Sh,t. He's not a conservative..he over spends. His war sucks, gas prices are out of sight, he can't talk and now he's going to right a blank check for Kartrina because he feels guilty.

Honest..I've had it with the guy.. This Katrina blank check thing without any offset cuts has tipped me over the edge. Bush is the most worthless President ever!

ALLEY CAT
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posted 09-16-2005 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
I listened to his speech last night,,,,I had to check the tv twice,,,,,,,it sounded like a liberal spendacrat talking.

Helping the people get through this disaster for 'awhile' is acceptable. Helping the Gulf Coast cities clean up and assisting in some rebuilding is acceptable. It should end there! It is not the role of government to pick up the entire tab for everything!

Marty Usher
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posted 09-16-2005 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Usher     
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Snoman
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posted 09-16-2005 10:27 PM           
Why in gods name would anyone want that f--king job to begin with?


heynow14
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posted 09-17-2005 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heynow14     
This is what you get when you believe everything a politician says. Remember it is always the opposite. He knows that the next guy will have to pay for it and raise taxes. You know, those tax and spend liberals.(Ha Ha)
Bush is all about the looting of the American Treasury. He's the "Corporate President" screw everyone else.


01Prowler
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posted 09-17-2005 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 01Prowler     
Well it's pretty crazy around here since a good majority of the evacuees got dropped off here. The debit card thing was a total joke. Now you have people with FEMA debit cards going around buying Gucci and using the debit cards at topless bars partying and buying drinks. What a shame that the real working class people got screwed out alot of the help. If you weren't on the bus out of New Orleans and left on your own, you're pretty much screwed.

Why does government always work this way? The majority of the people that stayed behind didn't have anything to begin with, now let's give them more than they had to start with, and take from those that did.

This should be a good topic, will check back later I'm off to a Hurricane Katrina Relief Ride even though I don't agree with a lot of it. However it will still be fun.

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Just for those that missed it.

A whole lot of this story really pisses me off.

WASHINGTON — President Bush said Friday the Gulf Coast must be rebuilt with an eye toward wiping out the persistent poverty and racial injustice plain to all in the suffering of the black and the poor in Hurricane Katrina's wake.

"As we clear away the debris of a hurricane, let us also clear away the legacy of inequality," Bush said during a national prayer service with other political leaders and religious figures from the affected region at the National Cathedral."

Also Friday, White House officials said that taxpayers will pay the bill for the massive reconstruction program for the hurricane ravaged-Gulf Coast and that the huge expense will worsen the nation's budget deficit.

Several dozen evacuees and first responders, all from New Orleans, filled one side wing. The president and his wife, Laura, sat solemnly in a front pew along with Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife, Lynne.

Before Bush's remarks, Bishop T.D. Jakes, head of 30,000-member Potter's House church in Dallas, delivered a powerful sermon in which he called upon Americans to "dare to discuss the unmentionable issues that confront us" and to not rest until the poor are raised to an acceptable living standard.

"Katrina, perhaps, she has done something to this nation that needed to be done," Jakes said. "We can no longer be a nation that overlooks the poor and the suffering, that continues past the ghetto on our way to the Mardi Gras."

Bush, faced with continuing questions about whether help would have been sent more quickly to the storm zone if most victims had not been poor and black, echoed those themes in brief remarks that were rich with religious references.

"Some of the greatest hardships fell upon citizens already facing lives of struggle, the elderly, the vulnerable and the poor," he said. "As we rebuild homes and businesses, we will renew our promise as a land of equality and decency and one day Americans will look back at the response to Hurricane Katrina and say that our country grew not only in prosperity but in character and justice."

As on Thursday, when Bush called for "bold action" to overcome poverty and discrimination, he offered no specific actions that should be taken.

At the White House, Al Hubbard, director of Bush's National Economic Council, said the disaster costs—estimated at $200 billion and beyond—are "coming from the American taxpayer." He acknowledged the costs would swell the deficit—projected at $333 billion for the current year before Hurricane Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast.

Some fiscal conservatives are expressing alarm at the prospect of such massive federal outlays without cutting other spending.

"It is inexcusable for the White House and Congress to not even make the effort to find at least some offsets to this new spending," said Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.

Claude Allen, the president's domestic policy adviser, said the administration had not identified any budget cuts to offset the disaster expense. Congress already has approved $62 billion for the disaster, but that is expected to run out next month.

In his address to the nation Thursday night from the heart of New Orleans' French Quarter, Bush said the recovery effort would be one of the largest reconstruction projects the world has ever seen and promised that the federal government would pay for most of it.

"There is no way to imagine America without New Orleans, and this great city will rise again," he said.

The government failed to respond adequately, with agencies that lacked coordination and were overwhelmed by Katrina and the subsequent flooding of New Orleans, Bush said. Dogged by criticism that Washington's response to the hurricane was slow and inadequate, Bush said the nation has "every right to expect" more effective federal action in a time of emergency.

The hurricane killed hundreds of people across five states, forced major evacuations and caused untold property damage.

Disaster planning must be a "national security priority," he said, while ordering the Homeland Security Department to undertake an immediate review of emergency plans in every major American city and asking all Cabinet secretaries to join in a comprehensive review of the faulty response. He said the disaster revealed the need for greater federal authority and a broader role for the armed forces.

Bush faced the nation at a vulnerable point in his presidency. Most Americans disapprove of his handling of Katrina, and his job-approval rating has been dragged down to the lowest point of his presidency also because of dissatisfaction with the Iraq war and rising gasoline prices. He has struggled to demonstrate the same take-charge leadership he displayed after the Sept. 11 terror attacks four years ago.

"When the federal government fails to meet such an obligation, I as president am responsible for the problem, and for the solution," Bush said."This government will learn the lessons of Hurricane Katrina."

Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish near New Orleans, was happy with Bush's speech. "Mainly he gave hope, and right now in this area people need hope more than anything," he told CBS' "The Early Show."

Bush repeated a hotline number, 1-877-568-3317, for people to call to help reunite family members separated during the hurricane. Moments later, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., criticized Bush, saying "Leadership isn't a speech or a toll-free number."

Bush proposed establishment of worker recovery accounts providing up to $5,000 for job training, education and child care during victims' search for employment. He also proposed creation of a Gulf Opportunity Zone in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama offering tax breaks to encourage businesses to stay in the devastated region and new businesses to open. The White House said Friday that each of those initiatives would cost about $2 billion.

Bush said the goal was to get evacuees out of shelters by mid-October and into apartments and other homes, with assistance from the government. He said he would work with Congress to ensure that states were reimbursed for the cost of caring for evacuees.



dbudner
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posted 09-17-2005 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dbudner     
quote:
Originally posted by Chromer:
I've voted for the guy twice..(regretfully) I have to say that everything he touches turns to Sh,t. He's not a conservative..he over spends. His war sucks, gas prices are out of sight, he can't talk and now he's going to right a blank check for Kartrina because he feels guilty.

Honest..I've had it with the guy.. This Katrina blank check thing without any offset cuts has tipped me over the edge. Bush is the most worthless President ever!


Aww Chromer! I don't agree with the blank check either, I support the war in Iraq and against terror. A liberal couldn't or wouldn't prosecute that. I do hope we get out of Iraq in the next 2 years though. High gas prices we should hang the oil companies over. But worst president? That was without a doubt Jimmy Carter. 22% interest home loans, inflation out the a$$, no back bone, gas lines and higher gas prices. The guy is still an idiot. Every time they quote him I think of idiots like Shaun Penn, Alec Baldwin, or Tom Cruise. What a bunch of no neck idiots with opinions worth ZERO. He makes Clinton seem like a genious that did no wrong (I did like the economy during Clinton but it began crumbling under his watch..)

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halicat
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posted 09-17-2005 08:36 AM           
lets hope he has the brains to fix the levee's to be able to withstand a cat 4 or cat 5 before he invests all that money ( almost one quarter of a trillion $ ) to rebuild..... only to have it blown away next year , or sooner , when another one rolls in.


can you immagine the cost if one of those bad boys hit New York city...........it could happen..

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Ray
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posted 09-17-2005 09:25 AM           
Its funny to read the above ... why did he say what he did ... cause ALL the finger pointing for this NATURAL disaster was at him, NOT the black mayor, or the woman governor of LA ... but AT that Federal Government and at Bush -- remember, the man who "doesn't like black people" per that 'special' musician!?! Now tell me, what would any of you that are OH so critical do different if YOU were in his shoes, under fire for "being on vacation" when this hurricane struck, "flying over the devastation" and not stopping on your way to Washington (forgive me, was there even an airport there he could have landed at?), "allowing" FEMA, the National Guard, heck, even perhaps SETI and whoever else to "not respond and take charge of a local and state affair immediately, and don't forget ... being labeled a "racist" because only the poor blacks were left to fend (steal) for themselves. Please, answer that clearly, with good grammar and spelling and I will be happy pass it along to the President for consideration. Sheesh!


ALLEY CAT
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posted 09-17-2005 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
Ray - I agree with what you stated,,,,,,,except, a nearly blank check from the taxpayers for 'everything' to be rebuilt is out of the question. I'm sure the estimate to rebuild will be grossly under figured,,,like everything else.

I'm sad about seeing the destruction pictures, but let's face facts,,,these residents chose to live here. Helping is one thing,,,,,improving 'all of their lifestyles' is another. The first $62 billion to help the residents = $260,000 per person,,,,,,where do I get in line?

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posted 09-17-2005 10:51 AM           
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Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
Helping is one thing,,,,,improving 'all of their lifestyles' is another. The first $62 billion to [B]help the residents = $260,000 per person,,,,,,where do I get in line?[/B]


A/C .. I agree with you ... my point was it may be his way of saying, "fine .. want to point your finger at me for this hurricane and for the inept, corrupt local and state government, I'll fix you all ... " and can you blame him ... seems like a serious case of "damned if he does't and sure as heck damned if he does" ... no?

Yes, I too would like a debit card with no restrictions ... seems with today's technology, could have been limited to a Walmart or such for clothing, food, essentials ... but to these "poor-minded" people, its a mini-Lottery win!


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posted 09-17-2005 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KlasKat     
What I still do not uderstand is they have said about 80% of what was devastated is in what they called "Wet Lands". Are we SO damn dumb that we would really rebuild there again. Lets use our heads for once and build new homes for these people about 20 miles inland and then we will not be doing this again during the next president's administration and we can get on with helping the rest of the country with so much that is needed.

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Scot Stern
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I am a registered republican but, given the circumstances depicted above, (200 plus billion for rebuilding a town that is not properly located...et al. , gas prices, overall economy and the never ending war) I guess that I would also say "throw the peach" to Bush and all of the current incumbents. We need new leadership on all fronts.

The Old Man

Thunder
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posted 09-17-2005 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thunder     
The professional politicians are ruining our countries. We need real people to step up and take charge, but that will only come if the public supports them and demands change. We don't need millionaires paying back billionaires. Our planet is running out of time.

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posted 09-17-2005 02:07 PM           
quote:
Originally posted by Thunder:
The professional politicians are ruining our countries. We need real people to step up and take charge, but that will only come if the public supports them. We don't need millionaires paying back billionaires. Our planet is running out of time.

very, very, true.....

we have had Doctors running us lately, they aren't any better than the Lawyers .....where are the teachers, law enforcement folks...??
people that know what real work is...

JMO



ALLEY CAT
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posted 09-17-2005 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
You got to be damn near a millionaire to run for a political office. Halicat and I would make great politicians,,,,,,we checked our pockets, and came up with $7.46 between us, lol.


halicat
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posted 09-17-2005 02:57 PM           
we are "grass roots" politicians aren't we AC ?

lower than a snakes belly and dirty....lol

now if we could find someone to teach us to lie... we would have the full package...

Snoman
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posted 09-17-2005 03:08 PM           
Not worth the time to reply!!!!!!


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posted 09-17-2005 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
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Originally posted by Snoman:
Not worth the time to reply!!!!!!

Tom - you talking about halicat and I,,,or the thread topic?



halicat
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posted 09-17-2005 03:12 PM           
speech ! speech !


ALLEY CAT
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posted 09-17-2005 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
Jim - I don't think Sno would vote for us, lol. Maybe we can get political contributions from everyone?

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halicat
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posted 09-17-2005 03:33 PM           
We could apply taxes on stuff ... like ...
smiles....
or start a casino...
or sell moonshine...
or sell smokes...


or just lie and cheat like the other elected officials do....

dang !!

lots of potential victims... i mean voters



Snoman
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posted 09-17-2005 03:54 PM           
AC you have my vote,this topic blows.


Snoman
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posted 09-17-2005 04:00 PM           
AT LEAST BUSH WASNT OUT HAND DIPPING CIGARS WHILE SOME RAG HEAD WAS TRYING TO KILL THE REST OF Us.......... I SERVED MY COUNTRY AND WOULD DO IT AGAIN IN A MINUTE IF ASKED.
SNOMAN


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