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butchcee
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posted 09-14-2005 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for butchcee     

I received this in an e-mail and thought I'd share. Seemed to hit the nail right on the head.


In 1927, a major unnamed hurricane struck the city of New Orleans.
It was actually more powerful than Katrina. The scope of damage was much more severe because this particular hurricane actually hit the city. Katrina missed it by 25 miles.
The interesting difference is the response the government gave in 1927 to those hurricane refugees, compared to the refugees of Katrina, err- I meant "survivors" ---(sorry Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson). How much aid did the government dispense at that time? Zero, nada, not one dime. And you know how much aid the army offered? The only aid from the army came in the form of loaning the city of New Orleans tents and camp stoves. Ironically, later, the army sued the city for reimbursement. So what was the big difference here?
It was the attitude the people had towards the government at that time, compared to the attitude that Katrina's victims have. The 1927 "survivors" expected nothing from the government. 80 years ago, people understood that the government was there to "protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Today, Americans expect the government to "provide life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." That's a major difference. And now, a week later, when the government failed on all three levels of local, state, and federal to provide for their needs, Americans were sorely disappointed.

Reverend Jackson and reverend Sharpton spend their opportunities arguing about semantics."They shouldn't be called refugees, they should be called survivors" Unfortunately, they missed the boat. It was a perfect opportunity to deliver a very basic message to their people.

Fact, if you are poor and uneducated in America, this is what happens. Fact, if you depend on the government, you will be sorely disappointed. Fact, if you are poor in America, there is no reason for you to be uneducated. Its free! 12 grades. And if you really apply yourself, there is enough grants and assistance out there for higher education, which will raise you above the poverty level. And no longer will you depend on the government and be disappointed. Its unfortunate that this lesson will be missed by most of the "survivors".

A couple of other points should be brought to light. G. W. has asked the congress for 50 billion dollars worth of aid for the "survivors" and clean up of the city. Interesting isn't it? one million people displaced and out of work in that city, sitting all day in shelters, waiting for the next handout. Of course, the thought never occured to anyone that just maybe, "hey, we should give all these folks jobs filling sand bags to plug the levees and clearing trees." (Wonder how many of them would want government aid if they had to work for it?)

And finally, they haven't hardly begun the task of picking up dead bodies, and already the finger pointing has started. The congressional hearings and probes will go forever. Millions will be spent on a wasted diatribe of a bipartisan "witch hunting expedition"- all of which will be nonsense. If you're a democrat, you are going to blame the president. If you are a republican, you are going to blame the mayor and the governor. This is another case in point of how the government will once again fail its people, they could have spent the millions educating the poor and misplaced citizens of New Orleans so that they could go out and get a new and better life, instead of wasting it on useless blame investigations.



pumpkin
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posted 09-14-2005 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pumpkin     
Thank you.


Ray
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posted 09-14-2005 01:43 PM           
Bravo ... well said!


tangled up in BLUE
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posted 09-14-2005 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tangled up in BLUE     
the thing I heard in the beginning of the news coverage was...."we need help, we want help, nobody did this for us, nobody did that for us"...."we want help, we want, we want"....no one I saw interviewed early in the coverage seemed to be willing to help themselves or even want to help themselves....the government owes them a good living, and the government is supposed to make everything alright....

learned long ago.....want something, gotta get it yourself....wasn't no pot o' gold sitting in my neighborhood when I was a kid.....they called it work back then....had to get a job and work....what a concept, work....self reliance, self help....

KlasKat
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posted 09-14-2005 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KlasKat     
TOTALLY AGREE. I just hope they will not let the people come back. just plow it all down and build a shipping center.Help the people where they landed and maybe break the line of poverty and government give aways.


Wil C. Keener
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posted 09-14-2005 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wil C. Keener     
Now that is the best! I have to agree and applaud !!!!


meancat
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posted 09-14-2005 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meancat     
Well said. Yes I may be rich, good looking and hung like a horse. But the government didn't give it to me.

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This message has been edited by meancat on 09-14-2005 at 09:50 PM

Snoman
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posted 09-14-2005 08:51 PM           
That was perrrrrfect.WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!


Polioboy
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posted 09-14-2005 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polioboy     
An unnamed hurricane? Seriously?

Did you do any homework? Flood, maybe, but no hurricane...nice try, though...before you start posting crap that somebody made up on a neo-con website, you should at least take the time to find out if it's true.


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How much aid did the government dispense at that time? Zero, nada, not one dime.

Do you even know what happened to the people who were in government after the flood? Do you know what the Flood Act of 1928 was all about? Have you ever heard of "The New Deal"?

quote:
The 1927 "survivors" expected nothing from the government.

Let's check our facts - In the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 the Mississippi River broke out of its levee system in 145 places and flooded 27,000 square miles. Some areas were up to a depth of 30 feet. The flood caused over $400 million in damages and killed 246 people in seven states.

As the flood approached New Orleans, local leaders appealed to the federal government to essentially sacrifice the poorer parishes by blowing up a levee and diverting the water to marshland. They promised restitution to people who would lose their homes. Government officials, including Commerce Secretary Herbert Hoover, signed off....the government never kept it's promise...

330,000 African-Americans who consisted of 40% of the population, were moved to 154 relief camps. Over 13,000 'survivors' near Greenville, Mississippi were gathered from area farms and evacuated to the crest of an unbroken levee, and stranded there for days without food or clean water, while boats arrived to evacuate white women and children. Many African-Americans were detained and forced to labor at gunpoint during flood relief efforts....

quote:
Of course, the thought never occured to anyone that just maybe, "hey, we should give all these folks jobs filling sand bags to plug the levees and clearing trees."

Nope, least of all by our no-bid government, who awarded the rebuilding of New Orleans to Halliburton (Cheney's buddies), who, coincedentally, just achieved yet another big gain, a 52 week high for them, in the value of their stocks...


In a happier side note, Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie's "When the Levee Breaks" which was about the flood of 1927, was reworked by Led Zeppelin, and became one of Robert Plant and the boys' most famous songs.

This message has been edited by Polioboy on 09-14-2005 at 09:26 PM

Kruisin Kat
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posted 09-14-2005 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kruisin Kat     
My heart genuinely goes out to all the people of the Gulf coast area, for the night mare they are living and the live that will be changed for ever BUT, there are two classes of society, The "Haves" and the "Have NO AMBITION's".

The worst is yet to come. These people have generations of living off the tax payers. Now they will sit around and wait for the new places to live get built for them and collect a check that they won't work for. Then they will move in and within a very short time destroy the place they live because "it's not mine, why should I care what happens to it?" Then they will cry that now no one cares about them and the government isn't doing enough for them, even though they already get free housing, free food, free health care, unemployment checks, free education, fuel assitance, and a dozen more free programs. Now they are "victims of an uncaring government" and will try to shame the government into providing even more free stuff and the politicians will go right along with it because they don't want to look like they "don't care", and we tax payers are going to dig deeper than ever and work more hours than ever just to keep our heads above water. When do we the tax payers get to complain? People just don't understand that the government doesn't have money until we the working earn it and have it taken from us.

butchcee
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posted 09-15-2005 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for butchcee     
so polioboy--what's your problem? seems like you're very selective with your gripes--BRO. How about addressing the black leaders that climb aboard after the fact to inflate their own causes? Of course, being white, I'll never feel the "black rage" that you seem tuned into.
So-"an unnamed hurricane" upsets you? They weren't given names in the US back then by the national weather service so what's your problem with that Bro?
Thanks for making my point that the flood act of 1928 was after the hurricane of 1927.
Sorry for the way things were done back then, but that was then and this is now and I wont suffer for sins of my ancestors, who were immigrants BTW and managed quit nicely and pulled themselves up by their boot straps after losing all during the depression--and NEVER on the take from the government for entitlements.
Want to take the corruption out of governent? Go ahead, you lead the charge. I'm right behind you BRO.


Ray
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posted 09-15-2005 10:39 AM           
Agreed ... but wait until the Rev. Jackson and Sharpton weigh in on this ... for their own "individual" gain.


butchcee
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posted 09-15-2005 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for butchcee     
yeah, just trying to keep themselves "relevant" while the true black achievers are labeled as uncle toms, sellouts or oreos. What a pity looking at the black youth in the TX schools starting fights with the displaced Louisiana kids because they'll get more then them. Real compassion shown there. My wife, who has strong religious beliefs, suggested that maybe there was a reason for the near wipe out of New Orleans. I'm sure her remark would not rate high with the more politically correct among us.


Al's Prowler
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posted 09-15-2005 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al's Prowler     
Do you think any of the educated business people in New Orleans will be looking for a hand out?


Ray
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posted 09-15-2005 11:56 AM           
Al ... HUGE difference in "looking for" and "Demanding one" don't ya think?

The Texas stuff is a sad reminder of the situation that HAS been created by our various governments, and "people" being rewarded for non-performance, stupidity & and acting as baby factories. The "hey you got more of a hand-out than me" should irk EVERY taxpaer in America -- it does me.

Can't wait for NO t be rebuilt so that it can be ruined then by the "human" element.

Al's Prowler
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posted 09-15-2005 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al's Prowler     
Ray, Anyone can demand something, getting it is another thing. My point is the uneducated and the educated will be looking for a hand out. BTW, I don't think New Orleans should be rebuilt...but they will.

This message has been edited by Al's Prowler on 09-15-2005 at 02:52 PM

Kelley Austin
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posted 09-15-2005 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kelley Austin     
The really sad part about this, our hard earned tax dollars are going to pay for a tremendous amount of people who don't work, don't want to work and run from any work are the people receiving this " relocation assistance " ($2,000). For the people who live, or lived there who were smart enough to have gotten an education worked hard and own property you can not get this " assistance ". If you were smart enough to get the hell out when you were forced to and then couldn't return for a few weeks, then you are on your own. My daughter and her family got out when they were told to. They own a house have it insured and thank god didn't receive much damage to their home had the expense of living in a motel food and lord god other expenses can't get a thing to help them out. FEMA has told them they need to contact their insurance company for reimbursement. Now, If they didn't receive enough damage to their home to claim insurance the insurance company will not reimburse them a nickle. What is wrong with this picture? I guess they are not smart enough, even though they have college educations, to learn the government hand out games. I will make sure they don't go broke. But good grief come on they and us are just the ones who are paying for all this S*&#.


Ray
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posted 09-15-2005 04:10 PM           
Really hits home Kelley ... sorry for the impact this storm had on your immediate family, but you hit the nail on the head! Wonder what those saying this is all about "race" have to say to you on the 'fairness' of this?


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posted 09-15-2005 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polioboy     
quote:
They weren't given names in the US back then by the national weather service so what's your problem with that Bro?
Thanks for making my point that the flood act of 1928 was after the hurricane of 1927.

There was NO hurricane that hit New Orleans in 1927. That was the point...in fact, the only hurricane that came close to hitting the US was downgraded to a tropical storm by the time it hit land...and it hit South Carolina - not even close to New Orleans.


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seems like you're very selective with your gripes--BRO.

No, I'm not selective, I'm simply bothered by hypocracy and the neo-cons (me being an old school republican - back when being conservative meant something) constant attempts at trying to rewrite history to serve their purposes....

quote:
Of course, being white, I'll never feel the "black rage" that you seem tuned into.

It's not black rage - its just general disguist with all levels of government these days...

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Want to take the corruption out of governent? Go ahead, you lead the charge. I'm right behind you BRO.

Thanks, it's too bad you don't live in Minnesota....I'm trying to lead the charge in the 2006 Senate race...

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looking at the black youth in the TX schools starting fights with the displaced Louisiana kids

There it is again, every news report I either read or saw stated that the TEXANS started the fight by throwing pop cans at the displaced kids...

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My point is the uneducated and the educated will be looking for a hand out.

It's fine to be angry about that, but what about the oil companies who just got all sorts of tax breaks? Considering the most profitable companies in operation in the US was big oil last year...Exxon posted profits of $10 billion dollars! Why are we giving them tax breaks? Let them fund their own research and development...

This message has been edited by Polioboy on 09-15-2005 at 05:55 PM

Fat Pat
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posted 09-15-2005 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fat Pat     
www.fairtax.org


halicat
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posted 09-15-2005 06:49 PM           
the world duth blow......

move out of town....watch the leaves turn color, the trees move gently in the wind and the waves splash on the shore.....

human beings are the worst thing that ever happened to the planet....

the proof is right in front of us everyday....

treasure what is good, ignore what is bad and live a happy life...

oh yeah.... and prowl on !

CJ
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posted 09-15-2005 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CJ     
This was a letter sent to the USA Today and printed in their "Letters" section:

Futility of Pointing Fingers

If you want someone to blame for the disaster of Hurricane Katrina, here's a list:

- Blame all the mayors of New Orleans for the past 40 years because the city was not prepared to deal with this hurricane.
- Blame all Louisiana governors for not leading this state to better hurricane prepardness.
- Blame decades of state legislators for being more concerned with lining their own pockets rather than doing what's right for this state.
- Blame all the past U.S. senators of this state for not fighting to strengthen the levees of New Orleans. And blame all the congressmen, too.
- Then blame all the presidents for the past 40 years. For those of you who hate President Bush and Republicans so much that you automatically blame them, remember: Most of Louisiana's and New Orleans' leaders have been Democrats.

This tragedy isn't about one party or one president. Stop being Monday-morning quarterbacks. It's easy to second-guess after the fact but very hard to make decisions during. Stop trying to assign blame and focus on what you can do to help.

Donate to the Red Cross and other agencies. Donate blood. Designate your donations to the Hurrican Katrina relief.

David Bordelon
Lafayetee, LA


russell and cathy
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posted 09-15-2005 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for russell and cathy     
I am South African and live as an American in Denver and my thoughts are with the victims of the hurricane....but what is this B.S about black and white... Were there no wealthy Black people there that evacuated and lost everything and are they also blaming the fact that with all the technology and information that this was going to hit and hit hard and to get the hell out of town on the government too...... I really don't know... If you don't take care of your self and expect things from someone else....don't be surprised when you get the BIRD. I came here because of freedom and I now have a right to that freedom and I would like to applaud the very first comment made as it is about time that the people involved in this tragedy start to thank the Millions that are coming to their aid and making it easier....move on and get and education and a job and make it in this FREE democracy
Stop passing the Buck and take responsibility for yourself


russell and cathy
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posted 09-15-2005 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for russell and cathy     
polioboy ...hypocrite. how much help have you given? how would you like to be paying $7.00 a gallon of gas... I did in South Africa... lets not give the oil guys any bread ok ye right what ever go feed the your dog man and have a look at the real world dude and maybe your coffee will be cold when you wake up after you have taken a look around...sorry your world isn't that big is it
I am sorry for the sarcasm but on the Monday after the storm the only thing I could say was" I wonder who is going to get sued" .. Make you think doesn't it


Polioboy
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posted 09-16-2005 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polioboy     
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polioboy ...hypocrite.

What?

quote:
how much help have you given?

That's between my family, and my tax guy.

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how would you like to be paying $7.00 a gallon of gas...

Doesn't bother me - I don't drive much anyways, I'm healthy, still have two working legs...I can pedal a bike....I'm fortunate to live close to work.

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lets not give the oil guys any bread ok ye right what ever go feed the your dog man and have a look at the real world dude and maybe your coffee will be cold when you wake up after you have taken a look around

What the crap are you talking about?

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sorry your world isn't that big is it

Is that a question?...Or a statement?

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I am sorry for the sarcasm but on the Monday after the storm the only thing I could say was" I wonder who is going to get sued"

What, did somebody else get burned when spilling McDonalds coffee on their way out of New Orleans?...I'm not sure where you're going with this...

quote:
.. Make you think doesn't it

Mostly it just made my head swim....

This message has been edited by Polioboy on 09-16-2005 at 01:06 AM

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