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Topic: Should New Orleans be Rebuilt in the Same Location??
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Chromer Prowler Junkie Posts: 2723 From: Denver, Colorado, USA Registered: DEC 2000
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posted 09-08-2005 08:57 PM
Should New Orleans be Rebuilt in the Same Location??------------------
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Fat Pat Prowler Junkie Posts: 1242 From: Blue Springs, Missouri, USA Registered: DEC 2004
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posted 09-08-2005 09:07 PM
Absolutely!! If a tornado struck KC (it did 2 years ago) and leveled the city, we would rebuild it and it is smack in the middle of "tornado alley"!! If an earthquake leveled LA, they would rebuild the city right where it is!! If a tsunami levels San Diego...they will rebuild the city right where it is....I fail to see the difference!!
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tangled up in BLUE Prowler Junkie Posts: 11086 From: New Castle, Ind Registered: DEC 2000
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posted 09-08-2005 09:10 PM
only if they address the levee system first.....that needs to be done first or the city may need rebuilt again next year....
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Marty Usher Prowler Junkie Posts: 13833 From: San Antonio, Texas Registered: JUN 2001
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posted 09-08-2005 09:25 PM
I can't imagine a city with the charactor of New Orleans letting this keep her down for the count. This is a city that dates back to the 1700's. I would guess some people will not come back but others will take their chances and return.A good percentage of the people have alwys rebuilt after other hurricanes in other cities. Hopefully like Tangled posted - they will take a serious look at the levees.
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Ray unregistered Posts: 13833 From: San Antonio, Texas Registered: JUN 2001
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posted 09-08-2005 09:51 PM
If they rebuilt elsewhere, would they then call it New New Orleans?
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ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 From: Mesa, Az Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 09-08-2005 09:54 PM
Build it further inland. The Louisiana state government has had 50 years to improve, fix, and make safe the levee system,,,,,,nothing done. Instead, the liberals who have governed that area for five decades have wasted the money put aside to repair the system. In the last five years, the feds have given La. 1.9 BILLION $$ to spend with the Army Corp of Engineers to fix the problem >>>>> nothing done except lining the pockets of the liberal rich to further study the problem, while having a super high unemployment rate, highest murder stats per capita, and aid programs being ripped off. Keep the poor,,poor I guess. Reminds me of the Mexico government. California got 1.2 billion $$$ during the same five years, with ten times the population.
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tangled up in BLUE Prowler Junkie Posts: 11086 From: New Castle, Ind Registered: DEC 2000
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posted 09-08-2005 09:55 PM
Originally posted by ALLEY CAT: Build it further inland. ********************
Move it to Arizona....no flooding there
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redman Prowler Junkie Posts: 207 From: Northglenn, CO Registered: MAR 2005
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posted 09-08-2005 09:57 PM
nope. It needs to be more inland.
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SirReal Prowler Junkie Posts: 3332 From: Burtonsville,Md Good ole U.S.A Registered: MAR 2003
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posted 09-08-2005 10:03 PM
Yes it must be rebuilt but it needs to be filled in with enough soil to get the entire city above sea level. Perhaps digging a DEEP trench along the USA/Mexico border would yield the desired elevation. We fill the trench with water and crocs and solve two problems.
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ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 From: Cincinnati, OH Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 09-08-2005 10:45 PM
the city is there because that is where the port is located. Most of the grain from the midwest goes down the rivers to the Mississippi river and to the ships to go around the world. It is the cheapest way to ship grain, by boat, down the rivers. Most of the incoming freight also comes thru that harbor. They need workers where the ships dock, not 100 miles away. I agree it is not wise to build a city behind a dirt hill, however. They need to come up with a much improved dike system.
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WildCat Prowler Junkie Posts: 6862 From: Just north of Louisville Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 09-09-2005 02:05 AM
No I do not think they should rebuild in the hole it is in. How dumb can they have been to build there in the 1st place.There are areas that need rebuilt, but for the most part if they rebuild the rest of the people in the US should not have to pay the billions of dollars to rebuild the next time a hurricane comes in. I read an article in the Indianapolis star today. We are in the process of spending almost a billion dollars so the rich (Colts Football) can have a place to play. We have a failing sewer system that would take about a billion dollars also to repair. This would help out many people in the Indianapolis area, PLUS everyone down stream from Indy that are along the rivers flowing thru the city after a heavy rain and the sewers overflow and send sewage down the river. The Saints put New Orleans in the same position (we will leave if you do not build this place for us) when they built the Superdome. It would have cost about the same to improve the leeves in the area to make it safer for the people that lived there. But instead the ones with the power to control the tax dollars decided it was better to spend it on the superdome. Now they are both lost and the Saints will have to go elsewhere to extort money from people for a place to play. I know many think of the history of the city as an important reason to rebuild in the same place, but they have a chance to improve what they had, do it right DON'T BUILD BELOW SEA LEVEL. In Indiana you cannot get a building permit in a flood zone, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL A BOWL BELOW SEA LEVEL? AND BY THE WAY, what about all the other areas that have been destroyed by the hurricane, all they talk about is New Orleans, it is such a large area destroyed and all I hear is about New Orleans I hope the people and pets that want to be saved get the help they need.
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Dave Mills Prowler Junkie Posts: 5419 From: Johnstown, PA, USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 09-09-2005 05:49 AM
There is something inherently wrong with a city built below sea level, no it should not be rebuilt. This could happen again during any hurricane season.
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Fat Pat Prowler Junkie Posts: 1242 From: Blue Springs, Missouri, USA Registered: DEC 2004
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posted 09-09-2005 07:04 AM
Someone needs to tell the Dutch about that!!
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Kraut Prowler Junkie Posts: 1300 From: Plymouth, MI Registered: OCT 2002
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posted 09-09-2005 07:38 AM
Individuals and corporations who want to rebuild in New Orleans should be allowed to do so, but at their own expense. This approach would cause those people to consider the risks. Why should everyone in the country be asked to foot the bill for them.Look at the people who continually build along the banks of the Ohio, Missouri, and Mississippi rivers. Every few years they have their properties destroyed by floods. How stupid is this? Let them rebuild at their own expense.
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Bob Miller Prowler Junkie Posts: 4576 From: Alexandria, Virginian USA Registered: OCT 2003
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posted 09-09-2005 07:51 AM
By far, the state of Louisiana has received more Corps of Engineer funding than any other state (California being a distant second). In past years, when Congress passed the Corps of Engineers appropriations, they inserted earmarks which had nothing to do with the levy issues, thus the Corps of Engineers were limited in how many resources they could devote to rebuilding/repairing the levy system.On the surface I'd say anyone who builds their city six feet below sea level and builds it on the coast must have rocks in their head. But New Orleans is a completely unique American cultural phenomenan that is worth preserving and rebuilding (at least on a limited basis since many citizens may never move back). Having said that, I wouldn't favor putting one dime into rebuilding the city unless the levy and water pumps (which are powered by electricity - how dumb is that?!?) issues are addressed first. This message has been edited by Bob Miller on 09-09-2005 at 07:53 AM
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dbudner Prowler Junkie Posts: 1391 From: Dallas, Ga. USA Registered: SEP 2002
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posted 09-09-2005 09:58 AM
The city was initially above sea level. Changing the Mississippi delta region around for both economic and environmental reasons caused it to sink. Either way, the local government is so crooked there that I bet only .25 of every dollar of the rebuilding funds will actually be used for that. I would say only to rebuild the business districts.
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ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 From: Mesa, Az Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 09-09-2005 10:03 AM
DB - are you implying that there is government corruption in La and New Orleans?
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dbudner Prowler Junkie Posts: 1391 From: Dallas, Ga. USA Registered: SEP 2002
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posted 09-09-2005 10:14 AM
hehe, never in nawlins!
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Bob Miller Prowler Junkie Posts: 4576 From: Alexandria, Virginian USA Registered: OCT 2003
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posted 09-09-2005 11:08 AM
As Huey B. Long once said, "If you think honesty and integrity in government will work, then give it a try..."The implication being that he had no interest in such activities.
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BeWare Prowler Junkie Posts: 18511 From: Acworth,GA,USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 09-09-2005 01:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kraut: Individuals and corporations who want to rebuild in New Orleans should be allowed to do so, but at their own expense. This approach would cause those people to consider the risks. Why should everyone in the country be asked to foot the bill for them.Look at the people who continually build along the banks of the Ohio, Missouri, and Mississippi rivers. Every few years they have their properties destroyed by floods. How stupid is this? Let them rebuild at their own expense.
Well said I agree 100%
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Ray unregistered Posts: 18511 From: Acworth,GA,USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 09-09-2005 01:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kraut: Look at the people who continually build along the banks of the Ohio, Missouri, and Mississippi rivers. Every few years they have their properties destroyed by floods. How stupid is this?Let them rebuild at their own expense.
Watched Fox interview of John Stossil last night and he continues to be "stupid" and rebuilds his beach house on some island off New York State or perhaps Massachusetts -- WHY?? Because FEMA will pay him up to $250k to do so ... over and over and over again! Same for the "stupid" people in California like Malibu where fires and mudslides are prone to occur. He agreed and stated that ANYONE who builds in a "hazard" area should do so at their own risk and own insurance expense ... cause left to the private sector insurance companies verus FEMA, it would be too cost prohibitive to insure, and thus people would be discouraged from being so "stupid". As John pointed out, so long as your value is $250k or less ... why would you NOT keep spending the "people's" money?!?! Stupid like a fox if you ask me.
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Northern Cat Prowler Junkie Posts: 1881 From: Stoney Creek, Ontario, Canada Registered: JUL 2002
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posted 09-09-2005 11:16 PM
Well...there goes New Oleans, Charleston SC, Venice and Holland.. I agree with Pat, I think you should call in the Dutch ..and rebuild that great city....and if you need help the rest of the world will be there to help .. JMODon This message has been edited by Northern Cat on 09-10-2005 at 07:56 PM
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KlasKat Prowler Junkie Posts: 1835 From: Centennial Co. USA Registered: MAR 2003
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posted 09-10-2005 09:37 AM
I would suggest they let them re-build the French Quarter for the toursim indusry, but I do not think any of the rest of the reidential homes that are under water should be allowed to be rebuilt. Sell the land to the commercial builders who could help the shipping industry and commerce. And I do NOT thik we should have to pay for any thing to be rebuilt.
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DR PROWLER Prowler Junkie Posts: 4079 From: TORONTO,ONTARIO,CANADA Registered: JUL 2002
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posted 09-10-2005 10:52 AM
It is so hard to believe that a city with such energy and history would just no longer be a part of the U.S. A lot of measures will have to be taken before the rebuilding starts....but I think we all want to see Orleans back wherever it may be!
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BeWare Prowler Junkie Posts: 18511 From: Acworth,GA,USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 09-10-2005 11:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ray: Watched Fox interview of John Stossil last night and he continues to be "stupid" and rebuilds his beach house on some island off New York State or perhaps Massachusetts -- WHY?? Because FEMA will pay him up to $250k to do so ... over and over and over again! Same for the "stupid" people in California like Malibu where fires and mudslides are prone to occur. He agreed and stated that ANYONE who builds in a "hazard" area should do so at their own risk and own insurance expense ... cause left to the private sector insurance companies verus FEMA, it would be too cost prohibitive to insure, and thus people would be discouraged from being so "stupid". As John pointed out, so long as your value is $250k or less ... why would you NOT keep spending the "people's" money?!?! Stupid like a fox if you ask me.
I saw that to. I was amazed at what he said. At last he was honest. Now I know how the people on the gulf coast can afford to rebuild.
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