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Topic: U.S.Formula One (farce) today at INDY!
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ransom1945 Prowler Junkie Posts: 768 From: Beaverton, Oregon, USA Registered: MAR 2003
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posted 06-19-2005 01:37 PM
I feel for the fans that had to pay today to watch a total of six (6) formula one cars race. Everybody is going to be in the points today! Because several of the teams thought turn 13 was too dangerous for their drivers they withdrew at the end of the pace lap. I think I've watched my last F1 race. Sad, sad day in racing!!!! This message has been edited by ransom1945 on 06-19-2005 at 01:40 PM
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halicat unregistered Posts: 768 From: Beaverton, Oregon, USA Registered: MAR 2003
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posted 06-19-2005 01:43 PM
I don't watch much F1 but I do know know theres no honor is quitting.....sad story ...
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Thunder Prowler Junkie Posts: 456 From: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Registered: FEB 2003
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posted 06-19-2005 02:43 PM
It may take F1 a decade to overcome this embarrasment...
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ransom1945 Prowler Junkie Posts: 768 From: Beaverton, Oregon, USA Registered: MAR 2003
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posted 06-19-2005 03:00 PM
The race was in jeopardy all the way up to the start after Michelin informed the seven teams it supplies that its tires were not safe in the final banked corner of Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The FIA, the series governing body, refused a request to allow the teams to change to a fresh set of tires, and wouldn't even consider placing a chicane in the final turn to slow the speeds. After a lengthy morning meeting, nine of the 10 F1 teams said they would only compete if the chicane was put in place. Ferrari, which fields cars for Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello, was the only team to refuse the chicane. All 20 cars lined up on the starting grid even without the chicane in place. But, after the warmup lap, the 14 cars on Michelin tires all pulled into the garage and parked in protest.
"It was very clear that we were unsafe today and we couldn't race," pole sitter Jarno Trulli said. "I'm really sorry for the USA fans."
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Dave Mills Prowler Junkie Posts: 5419 From: Johnstown, PA, USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 03:10 PM
I am not a fan of F-1, but I hate to see this kind of thing happen, regardless of the racing format.
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butchcee Prowler Junkie Posts: 7476 From: Lake Ariel, Pa. Registered: SEP 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 03:13 PM
How could this have been a surprise and why did the tire manufacturers wait so long to make the announcement? Isn't there testing for this race?
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halicat unregistered Posts: 7476 From: Lake Ariel, Pa. Registered: SEP 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 03:24 PM
I don't know alot about it, but doesn't it seem like the Tire Manufacturers think they own the sport......
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butchcee Prowler Junkie Posts: 7476 From: Lake Ariel, Pa. Registered: SEP 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 03:38 PM
Yup,looks like they played pu$$y and got you know what trying to muscle indy
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pumpkin Prowler Junkie Posts: 7907 From: Las Cruces, NM, USA Registered: DEC 2001
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posted 06-19-2005 03:49 PM
Did they stop the race????
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Dave Mills Prowler Junkie Posts: 5419 From: Johnstown, PA, USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 04:09 PM
Michelin teams apologize: The Michelin teams deeply regret the position that they have been put in today and would like to apologize to all the spectators, TV viewers, Formula One fans and sponsors for not being able to take part," they said in a joint statement.
The seven teams who use the French company's tires did not race due to concerns over safety after crashes in practice, leaving the race open to champions Ferrari, Jordan and Minardi who were on Bridgestone tires. "All the teams are confident in Michelin and trust their advice as we know they are competent and responsible and their written instruction to us not to race unless changes to the circuit were made was accepted," they said. The teams said final data from Michelin on Sunday morning made clear the company could not guarantee the drivers' safety. Nine of the 10 teams asked for an additional chicane to be put in. "Unfortunately all proposals were rejected by the FIA (the sport's ruling body)," they said. "Safety is always the first concern of any team and the FIA. Regrettably the teams were obliged to follow Michelin's requirements not to race. "We are totally aware that the USA is an important market for Formula One and there is an obligation for Formula One to promote itself in a positive and professional manner. "It is sad that we couldn't showcase Formula One in the manner we would have liked today."
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ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 From: Mesa, Az Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 04:14 PM
Its a disgrace to all/any racing fans anywhere!The U.S. Grand Prix will not draw many fans in the future,,,its over for them in this country, for a decade or two. On the flip side, Tony George should have had in his contract with F-1, an agreement to provide a minimum of 16 cars starting the race,,,,,,,or face a complete 'freeze' of all the prize money. Lots of pis$ed off people in Indy today,,,and I don't blame them
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Dustis unregistered Posts: 36093 From: Mesa, Az Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 04:29 PM
after YEARS of struggle to get the American public BACK into Formula one and "tap" into the HUUUUGE U.S. market this will be the end of it !!NO ONE in his right mind will waste another minute on that - what a joke !! This message has been edited by Dustis on 06-19-2005 at 04:45 PM
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halicat unregistered Posts: 36093 From: Mesa, Az Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 04:34 PM
they wouldn't dare do that crap in Europe....Michelin... another example of french surrender...If their tires aren't good enough... they need another manufacturer....
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Dave Mills Prowler Junkie Posts: 5419 From: Johnstown, PA, USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 04:49 PM
I am the last person to defend the French, but as I understand it, two solutions were proposed. They did bring in another tire compound, but were not allowed to use it. The second solution was an additional chicane. Also denied. Shouldn't the goal be to have a safe and competitive race?
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Lone Ranger Prowler Junkie Posts: 2120 From: Sedalia Mo USA Registered: MAY 2003
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posted 06-19-2005 04:56 PM
Everyone who attended should have gotten their money back.
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halicat unregistered Posts: 2120 From: Sedalia Mo USA Registered: MAY 2003
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posted 06-19-2005 04:58 PM
its over now....I wouldn't think they will get anyone back again after this.."All three drivers were booed as they headed to the podium, the traditional champagne celebration was scrapped, and the PA announcer repeatedly implored the remaining fans in attendance not to throw debris on the track. It matched the reaction the crowd had since the start, when they were bewildered and left pointing and gawking as they tried to figure out why the majority of the field was climbing out of their cars. Fans booed and some threw water bottles on the track in disgust. After just 10 laps, many spectators began heading for the exits. There were reports of thousands of fans showing up at the ticket office demanding refunds, and that police had been called to keep the peace."
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Dave Mills Prowler Junkie Posts: 5419 From: Johnstown, PA, USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 05:33 PM
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Indianapolis Motor Speedway boss Tony George said complaints about the depleted lineup for the U.S. Grand Prix should be directed to Formula One, to the series' governing body and to tiremaker Michelin. All but three of the Formula One teams withdrew before the start of Sunday's race because of safety concerns with the Michelin tires. The only cars that raced were the Ferraris of winner Michael Schumacher and runner-up Rubens Barrichello, the Jordans of Tiago Monteiro and Narain Karthikeyan and the Minardis of Christijan Albers and Patrick Friesacher. "The Indianapolis Motor Speedway shares in the disappointment with the loyal fans of IMS and Formula One that we did not see the exciting race we all anticipated due to circumstances beyond our control," George said in a statement. "The FIA (Federation Internationale de l'Automobile), Formula One and manufacturers that represent the cars on the starting grid made decisions on an individual basis to limit participation in today's USGP. "We suggest the fans who wish to make their feelings known, contact the following," George added, listing the mailing addresses and websites for Michelin in Clermont-Ferrand, France, and the FIA in Paris, and the address of Formula One in London.
George did not immediately respond to a request made through Speedway spokesman Ron Green for an interview with The Associated Press.
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WildCat Prowler Junkie Posts: 6862 From: Just north of Louisville Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 06:16 PM
I have been working on pulling the motor out of the Dart and have not heard any of the local news or anything about this. Listened to the radio all day and not one mention of F1 race.In yesterdays Indianapolis Star newpaper was an article on the F1 race. F1 says The Speedway does not promote the race enough and they were going to be discussing next years race. It also said that The Speedway pays F1 15 million up front to bring the race here. They did resurface the track this last year and had to diamond grind it after testing Indy cars (maybe it was Nascar). The 1st group came in and tested and the second group was delayed until after the grinding. As far as I know they did not change the layout of the track so this was the 5th year they have run here. I don't like what Tony George has done to the greatest race (Indy 500) but the F1 series isn't needed in Indy and does not have the same feel as the Indy 500 and the Brickyard (now Allstate) 400. The town needs a break between the 500 & 400, WHO NEEDS THE STINKING FORMULA ONE PEOPLE ANYWAY..........oh the Colts team does so the people coming into town can pay more Hotel, food and car rental taxes to help pay for the new 900 million retractable roof statium........since most the people going to F1 races are not from central Indiana they input a BUNCH of $$$$$........... but after hearing this I don't see how they would spend the money to travel here to see 6 cars go around the curcuit.
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Bob Miller Prowler Junkie Posts: 4576 From: Alexandria, Virginian USA Registered: OCT 2003
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posted 06-19-2005 07:58 PM
I'm sitting here in Indy SMOKING MAD. I return home in the morning. I flew up here from Washington, DC specifically for the Formula 1 race today. What I saw was not a race.After everyone in the stands realized there was no race some threw their Fosters beer cans on the track and some threw water bottles onto the track. Most people, me included, just looking on in disbelief! I departed the track after 15 of the 74 laps were completed. There were people in the stands from Japan, India, Columbia, Brazil, etc and locals, who all lost their money. This is my last F1 race for me. I may not be the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but I do learn from my mistakes, and supporting F1 was a big mistake. When I lived in Europe I loved this sport, but I think it's pretty much ruined, particularly in America. I will also never use Michelin tires on my cars. Formula One used to be a great sport with great rivalries and fierce competition which is what we all enjoy, but no more it's dead - RIP A$$HOLES!.
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Scot Stern Prowler Junkie Posts: 516 From: Escondido, CA Registered: MAR 2001
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posted 06-19-2005 10:08 PM
I am not an expert and I am not trying to be controversial but.....How can you blame Michelin? They obliviously put forth some amazing effort to determine that the tires were not up to the task, then manufacture new ones and get them to Indianapolis in time for the race. Amazing! They took a responsible position in the name of safety and did the right thing. What should happen is F1 should reimburse the fans and the track for their losses and add a new venue in order to make amends for their stupidly. In short, they should have either modified the rules or canceled the race. This was clearly a situation were safety was at stake and 14 of 20 cars were affected. If they could not field a race with at least 75% (15 of the 20 cars) they should have taken steps to correct the situation. Hats off to Michelin for having the guts to do what they do best. Safety has always been the hallmark of their mantra and I for one am glad to see them continue the process of supporting a policy of Corporate Integrity will Prevail. Any race were multi-million dollar cars are not allowed to change the tires is questionable at best. If they would not let them change the tires to start the race, and I can understand why they would not, then they should have let any team change them at will after the first lap. That would have been fair to all and the time penalty would have been the equalizing force for the teams that did not need to change them. That would have been a simple decision that would have been fair and saved face. FI is just plain stupid so they deserve the criticism. I only hope that Michelin continues their responsible approach to safety and that it continues to filter down to the "race cars" that we all drive on the freeways. The Old Man This message has been edited by Scot Stern on 06-19-2005 at 10:11 PM
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tangled up in BLUE Prowler Junkie Posts: 11086 From: New Castle, Ind Registered: DEC 2000
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posted 06-19-2005 10:13 PM
Bob, ....shoulda made the trip on over to New Castle....we had a great cookout, a lazy day on the deck, and NASCAR.....beats the hell outta watching the Bridgestone Tire Test at Indy....
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Bob Miller Prowler Junkie Posts: 4576 From: Alexandria, Virginian USA Registered: OCT 2003
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posted 06-20-2005 07:33 AM
You're right Larry! Actually I was in Indy visiting a long time USAF buddy and his family. If I'm still living in the US this time next year we plan to go to the 500. It's one of those things on my list of things to do before I check out.
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ransom1945 Prowler Junkie Posts: 768 From: Beaverton, Oregon, USA Registered: MAR 2003
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posted 06-20-2005 09:56 AM
Danica Patrick has surged onto the open-wheel racing world, but that might not be sitting well with the old-school boss of Formula One racing.Formula One is getting its most high-profile United States presence with the U.S. Grand Prix at Indianapolis Motor Speedway this weekend, but Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone doesn't seem to be too crazy about Patrick joining her male competitors on the track, despite her recent Indy 500 success. "She did a good job, didn't she? Super. Didn't think she'd be able to make it like that," Ecclestone told a gathering of reporters about Patrick's Indy 500 finish. "You know, I've got one of these wonderful ideas that women should be all dressed in white like all the other domestic appliances," Ecclestone added. Ecclestone has controlled Formula One for 25 years, amassing a fortune estimated at $3.7 billion. He has a holding company which operates some of F1's commercial ventures, ranging from television rights to sponsorships. But nine of the F1's 10 teams are in dispute with Eccletone and others over the running of the sport and have threatened to start their own series in 2008. Only Ferrari has signed to stay with Ecclestone after the 2007 season.
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Dead End Don Prowler Junkie Posts: 631 From: Palos Verdes, California USA Registered: AUG 2002
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posted 06-20-2005 02:59 PM
Just to stir the pot a little more, I will point out that this type of thing only happens at race tracks with curves....That should wake up Halicat!!!!!!
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halicat unregistered Posts: 631 From: Palos Verdes, California USA Registered: AUG 2002
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posted 06-20-2005 03:06 PM
"its not how long you make it.... its how you make it long"..........don
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