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Dustis unregistered Posts: 3855 From: Caldwell, Texas United States Registered: JUL 2002	posted 04-28-2005 07:05 PM Seen the first commercial for the Pontiac Solstice today and we REALLY like it - very appealing design and IMO the best looking Pontiac since the Fiero GT (which I owned in 1988) What do you think about the new Pontiac ? ------------------
RED5 Prowler Junkie Posts: 2167 From: USA Registered: JUN 2004	posted 04-28-2005 07:14 PM I like it too. They had the cast? of apprentice work on a sales brochure for it. I dont watch the show just happened to catch that episode. Isn't Buick bringing something out similar also?
tangled up in BLUE Prowler Junkie Posts: 11086 From: New Castle, Ind Registered: DEC 2000	posted 04-28-2005 07:14 PM small, but I really like the looks....about the size of a Miata.....I think they have a hit if the dealers don't try to gouge the livin' daylights of potential customers....
Lone Ranger Prowler Junkie Posts: 2120 From: Sedalia Mo USA Registered: MAY 2003	posted 04-28-2005 07:14 PM I like it as well. But i'm sure the dealers will try to get their extra markup. I can see over sticker from the get go.
Ed W. Prowler Junkie Posts: 2622 From: Port Huron, MI USA Registered: JAN 2003	posted 04-28-2005 07:42 PM This one's going to be interesting to watch. Given the General's (can we say) failure over the SSR, XLR, & GTO, it would seem that something better work & work soon! Dealer mark-up is an interesting concept. Think about it. The public (just might) love the vehicle, only to be turned off by price gouging dealers who have had a slow traffic in the showrooms. In today's tight economy, this would be extremely counter-productive! I don't think the General could tolerate another failure. JMO
Dustis unregistered Posts: 2622 From: Port Huron, MI USA Registered: JAN 2003	posted 04-28-2005 08:05 PM Anybody knows about engine options in the Solstice ??
RED5 Prowler Junkie Posts: 2167 From: USA Registered: JUN 2004	posted 04-28-2005 08:10 PM Here: http://www.pontiac.com/specs/specs_content_files/specs_viewall.jsp?brand=solstice Size wise it looks like a Lotus Elise. Gas guzzler tax $1300 on the Automatic trans. I like the way the hood opens. This message has been edited by RED5 on 04-28-2005 at 08:14 PM
heynow14 Prowler Junkie Posts: 3529 From: Waterford,Mi USA Registered: MAY 2001	posted 04-28-2005 08:13 PM Heard a rumor that production is delayed until fall and production capacity is 6000 units. So wait in line and prepare to be gouged.~Robert
Ed W. Prowler Junkie Posts: 2622 From: Port Huron, MI USA Registered: JAN 2003	posted 04-28-2005 08:30 PM quote: Originally posted by heynow14: Heard a rumor that production is delayed until fall and production capacity is 6000 units. So wait in line and prepare to be gouged.~Robert My point exactly.
ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 From: Mesa, Az Registered: JUL 2000	posted 04-28-2005 08:40 PM Dusti - I like them! Larger displacement/hp engine due out next year,,,,,probably when GM introduces the Saturn Sky--- [same basic car,,,different cosmetic look,,,3 to 4K more $$$] Red5 - [correct name] - where did you read about an automatic transmission??? First releases will all be 5-speed manuals,,,from what I read. According to Pontiac, late summer the first ones will be released. GM ran a special for the first 1,000 to retail customers who put down a deposit for hold. That offer expired last sunday. I was told dealers were told NOT to raise the prices,,,or forfeit zone allotment allocations thereafter >>>> yeah, right! I was going to jump on that first 1,000 offer, then thought about the usual problems in the early models, so I passed. I might go one a year from now. Prefer to have a little bigger motor and a automatic,,,,done my share of shifting over the years, lol. Here is the link to the Saturn Sky [early 2006]: http://www.saturn.com/saturn/showroom/future_vehicles/sky.jsp?nav=710&flashOK=yes This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 04-28-2005 at 08:45 PM
RED5 Prowler Junkie Posts: 2167 From: USA Registered: JUN 2004	posted 04-28-2005 09:46 PM I found it on the bottom of their web page that I posted the link to...in the fine print. *Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. Tax, title, license, dealer fees, $1,300 gas guzzler tax and optional equipment are extra. Gas guzzler tax is required only with automatic transmission. But your right...I see no option for the Auto trans....assume they will have it eventually. RED7....unless Ed promoted me again
ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 From: Mesa, Az Registered: JUL 2000	posted 04-28-2005 11:09 PM RED5 - if Ed promoted you,,,,,that would be a set back, lol. Thanks for finding that fee,,,I missed it. Can't see why an automatic in that light weight of a car would make it fall into a gas guzzler classification? Strange.......
GenoTex Prowler Junkie Posts: 8492 From: Oakfield, WI, USA Registered: MAR 2002	posted 04-29-2005 12:50 AM quote: Originally posted by ALLEY CAT: .... I was told dealers were told NOT to raise the prices,,,or forfeit zone allotment allocations thereafter ...... .. They have been very adamant since Day One that this car was going to be "Under 20,000" ... a huge part of their campaign.... and with it stickered at 19,995, I'd be willing to say that this is One car they will not ALLOW the gouging to even begin on........ j.m.o.
ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 From: Mesa, Az Registered: JUL 2000	posted 04-29-2005 08:23 AM Geno - maybe those GM dealers padding the SSR's learned something?? If they pad the Soltice, it brings it up to a new Mustang price and many buyers would opt for the 'Stang at that point,,,I would. The Soltice is designed to attack the market of the Mazda Miata buyers. Fast,,,it won't be, but it looks good.
Tytanium-K Prowler Junkie Posts: 3017 From: Sweet Home Northern Bama, USA Registered: JUL 2004	posted 04-29-2005 08:39 AM This is NOT meant to be a SPOILER... I think the looks are nice...also nice LOOKING 'SKY' that AC mentions...but has anyone here ever driven a Miata? I have! They look & sound & corner awesome--yet--they are just wayyy too gutless...like having a great looking Geo Metro...which has even less oomph! So, if ya' can live with the lack of pedal response, go for it! Also...I ain't believing the under $20k price tag until I see it--in person! The original Prowler was supposed to sell for under $30k--originally--was it not?! Again...No SPOILER intentioned...JMHO.
GenoTex Prowler Junkie Posts: 8492 From: Oakfield, WI, USA Registered: MAR 2002	posted 04-29-2005 08:44 AM geeeeeeeeee... I might hafta take that Stang too!
ALLEY CAT Prowler Junkie Posts: 36093 From: Mesa, Az Registered: JUL 2000	posted 04-29-2005 09:01 AM Geno - yeah Rub it in,,,butt munch! KyJel - the first Prowlers were MSPR under 40k,,not under 30k. Something like $38k,,,,but the dealers said that was X 2,,, = $76,000 plus taxes, title, doc fees, dealer add-ons, how stupid you look, etc, etc, etc,,,,,,,,,, I went in to look at the first one, and I looked so stupid they told me to leave!
GenoTex Prowler Junkie Posts: 8492 From: Oakfield, WI, USA Registered: MAR 2002	posted 04-29-2005 09:09 AM I read somewhere within the last week that the Miata is THE most sold convertible ..... been around a long time, and a lot sold over the years..... Drove one a long time ago (7-8-10 years?) and it was fun,handled well enough too, but as Tike said, 'gutless'....
GenoTex Prowler Junkie Posts: 8492 From: Oakfield, WI, USA Registered: MAR 2002	posted 04-29-2005 09:10 AM bu mun ??!?!? LOL Good 'un.... Take ya for a test drive at the Dells... maybe
Tytanium-K Prowler Junkie Posts: 3017 From: Sweet Home Northern Bama, USA Registered: JUL 2004	posted 04-29-2005 10:03 AM quote: Originally posted by ALLEY CAT: KyJel - the first Prowlers were MSPR under 40k,,not under 30k. Something like $38k,,,,but the dealers said that was X 2,,, = $76,000 plus taxes, title, doc fees, dealer add-ons, how stupid you look, etc, etc, etc,,,,,,,,,, I went in to look at the first one, and I looked so stupid they told me to leave! I know WHAT the first ones sold for, AC...but all the articles leading up to that point indicated under $30k--which, as you noted was not the case WHEN THEY HIT SHOWROOM FLOORS! That's what I am saying...all the literature indicates under $20k for the new Pontiac--but wait til they hit showroom floors--ain't gonna happen...bad cat raiding the dumpsters~LOL!!
Black Tie 161 Prowler Junkie Posts: 3563 From: MD, USA Registered: JUL 2002	posted 04-29-2005 10:25 AM The solstice is goign to be a very popular car. Expect drivetrain upgrades as years go on. Like the Crossfire getting more HP each year it seems. Bob Lutz insisted from day one the car should go for 20K or under. The Prowler shouldn't be compared to the solstice situation as the Prowler has tons of exotic materials and assembly procedures. Our instrument panel is magnesium and an all aluminum frame....The solstice is on a basic platform, and they built a running model from computer in 2 months for the first show. I beleive it will hold at 20K not including Dealer greed.
Tytanium-K Prowler Junkie Posts: 3017 From: Sweet Home Northern Bama, USA Registered: JUL 2004	posted 04-29-2005 12:04 PM quote: Originally posted by Black Tie 161: The solstice is goign to be a very popular car. Expect drivetrain upgrades as years go on. Like the Crossfire getting more HP each year it seems. Bob Lutz insisted from day one the car should go for 20K or under. The Prowler shouldn't be compared to the solstice situation as the Prowler has tons of exotic materials and assembly procedures. Our instrument panel is magnesium and an all aluminum frame....The solstice is on a basic platform, and they built a running model from computer in 2 months for the first show. "I believe it will hold at 20K not including Dealer greed." There's ALWAYS a 1st time for everything, I guess ($20k--ha) & I wasn't COMPARING the Prowler to this new Pontiac POS...only suggesting initial cost estimates [on paper] are ALWAYS but ALWAYS way lower than reality dictates actual $$prices$$ to be! Thazzall~
bluecat Prowler Junkie Posts: 47 From: vacaville,ca,usa Registered: SEP 2004	posted 04-29-2005 08:45 PM Doesn't the Solstice/Sky look little like the Dodge concept car that was called the Copperhead.I think Ty was right on the price of the Prowler,i remember when seeing it at the Auto shows they were talking 28k/32k if you look at old car mag.High 20s to low 30s.We all know what happen when the car got into the dealers hands.I remember somebody from Corp. saying that the Prowler was going to be a streetrod for the average working person"yeah right"So i guess will wait and see...
RED5 Prowler Junkie Posts: 2167 From: USA Registered: JUN 2004	posted 04-30-2005 09:30 AM From the front of the Solstice I see what you mean...
DR PROWLER Prowler Junkie Posts: 4079 From: TORONTO,ONTARIO,CANADA Registered: JUL 2002	posted 04-30-2005 02:54 PM Hey Dusti,I owned a Fiero GT 1988 as well...it was an awesome little car at the time. Solstice will be a success I think because it is certainly priced right and it will steal a lot of thunder away from the Mazda Miata (main competitor).I saw it at this year's auto show....and it's slick!

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