posted 11-16-2004 08:29 PM         

Report: We must investigate this serious matter!

BS - this is war! They should have just thrown a grenade or two into the building,,,,,its called mopping up!

Report: We must go by the Geneva Convention Laws!

BS - our enemy doesn't!! They kill innocent people and don't give it a thought.

Why don't these network tv news teams and newspapers show the innocent British woman getting a bullet to the head today??? What hypocrisy! I've had it with network tv news!

[ Hope faded for kidnapped aid worker Margaret Hassan after Al-Jazeera television announced it had a video showing a masked man shooting a blindfolded woman in the head. Hassan's family in London said they believed the longtime director of CARE's operations in Iraq was the victim. ] You will not see this video on the evening news! Why not,,,you show the U.S. soldier finishing a enemy who could have a bomb strapped to him?

In war,,,you kill your enemy before they kill you!

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Originally posted by rsterling78:
[B]We must go by the Geneva Convention Laws!

Fair enough. Was this combatant wearing the uniform of a recognized nation-state? No? Then the Geneva Convention doesn't apply.[/B]

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posted 11-16-2004 10:11 PM         

Remember the scum we released from the Cuba base? Found them back over there fighting against our troops!

posted 11-16-2004 10:25 PM         

I added a little spice to your image. My muslim buddy got even more quite when I told him I voted for Bush aswell.

As if the terrorists are following that. Why doesn't the media spend more time reporting the attrocities these thugs perpretate on innocent civilians???

A fact about that Marine in question.

1) The day before this incident, he got shot in the face (no purple heart and still fighting);

2) On that same day, a fellow Marine in his unit turned over one of these "dead" guys who happened to be booby trapped with a grenade. That Marine is dead.

Of course, had this Marine NOT shot this thug, turned him over and he too had a grenade, his death would not have even made MSNBC...Think about it.

What can we do? Call or email your Congressman & Senators and tell them what you think. They are listening these days.

you would give new meaning to the phrase " media frenzy"

posted 11-17-2004 06:44 PM         

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Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
halicat - isn't Canada where they have naked news gals reporting the news? It would be more interesting that way, lol.

I could do the news that way

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GEEZZZZ AC...Naked news is done in RUSSIA, I know the're both socialist countries..but NOT the same. (Just kidding halicat..don't be mad )

XOXO

posted 11-17-2004 08:20 PM         

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Originally posted by Chromer:
GEEZZZZ AC...Naked news is done in RUSSIA, I know the're both socialist countries..but NOT the same. (Just kidding halicat..don't be mad )

XOXO

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I heard a story today,,,that WOIO - tv in Cleveland, Oh had a gal do the news segment in the nude the other day,,,,but I can't confirm that. Maybe somebody from Cleveland area can report back to us if that was true or not.

posted 11-17-2004 08:27 PM         

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Originally posted by halicat:
naked news... thats news to me..

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No kidding? I would think with the harsh winters you guys get up there and the time you must spend indoors that you'd have figured all of this stuff out long ago. Oh wait - harsh winters, time indoors, pretty Canadian women - I get it. There's better things to do than surf the web, isn't there...

Here ya go just in case you find yourself with nothin' to do...
http://www.nakednews.com/

posted 11-17-2004 08:40 PM         

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Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
I heard a story today,,,that WOIO - tv in Cleveland, Oh had a gal do the news segment in the nude the other day,,,,but I can't confirm that. Maybe somebody from Cleveland area can report back to us if that was true or not.

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posted 11-18-2004 06:46 AM         

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Originally posted by Chromer:
GEEZZZZ AC...Naked news is done in RUSSIA, I know the're both socialist countries..but NOT the same. (Just kidding halicat..don't be mad )

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ehhhh?...AC...I stand corrected! (whoops!) Naked News does come from Canada.

posted 11-18-2004 08:14 AM         

November 17, 2004

Slandering Private Ryan – In Fallujah

By David D. Perlmutter

It's an irony that the week that some American television stations pulled "Saving Private Ryan" because of harsh language, many others aired parts of a video that purports to show an American Marine shooting a wounded and unarmed civilian in Fallujah.

The link between Steven Spielberg's fictional (but realistic) film about World War II and a real event in the Iraq war is a reminder that, with so few of us having combat experience or studying warfare in school, the historical context of modern combat needs to be explained better.

Television networks were responsible in that most of them edited the Fallujah images when, apparently, a Marine thought an Iraqi man was faking death and shot him in the head. But the incident also requires a detailed discussion (and visualization) of its historical context. The truth is that this is how you fight a war against an amoral terrorist enemy. Further, what that Marine did was commonplace in the history of America at war: if you condemn him, then you also attack the "greatest generation" veterans of World War II.

Take a famous scene from "Saving Private Ryan." At Normandy Beach, American soldiers, after terrible losses, finally knock out one enemy bunker with a flamethrower and Germans tumble out on fire, screaming in agony. "Let 'em burn," responds one GI without remorse. Witnessed from the comfort of our living room, it is a shocking statement and scene. But in the context of the film and of war it is understandable.

I show this clip regularly to my students and invite reactions. One young woman said, "I can imagine being so angry, so vengeful at the enemy that just killed your buddies that you don't care what happens to them." I would only add one factor to her analysis: uncertainty. In a study I conducted on police work, the most fearful thing about a cop's job, I felt, was that you never knew who would pull out a gun and who wouldn't. In a war against terrorists everybody is a potential combatant and every doorway a potential deathtrap.

American warriors of the past knew this. Michael Lee Lanning wrote in his account of "Vietnam, 1969: A Company Commander's Journal" that Viet Cong or North Vietnamese army fighters regularly feigned surrender, incapacitation or death in order to lure GIs into grenade or rifle range. Even the actual dead were booby-trapped. The average GI learned quickly to "shoot and throw grenades at the body" rather than risk enemy treachery. No surprise that war historian and analyst James F. Dunnigan estimated that, "Historically 50 percent of those surrendering [in war] do not survive the process."

In Iraq, American servicemen and women face insurgents who hide, store weapons and fight from hospitals, homes and religious places and from among civilians, booby-trap their own dead as well as those of our soldiers, disguise themselves as women and noncombatants, and, yes, fake surrender as a prelude to murder-suicide. Early in the war, British soldiers even reported insurgents picking up small children to use as human shields during a fire fight.

So what was that young Marine in Fallujah to do: wait until faking Iraqis blew him, his buddies and the camera crew up? He played it safe: he's alive, and so are the embedded journalists.

In fact, we can estimate that a sizable number of U.S. casualties in Iraq were because of the basic decency of the America soldier, sailor, Marine and flier.

That is the story that needs more reporting.

Prison scandals aside, the record of the American combatant for humanity even in the most chaotic circumstances is unequaled. In World War II, Japanese and German troops were often astonished at how well they were treated. Axis POWS in the United States, for example, were fed better food than found on the average (rationed) American civilian dinner plate. One German POW, asked about his experiences, commented that the smartest thing to do in war against America is to "get captured – you'll have it made." An exaggeration? Yes, but also the most important message for the world about our latter-day Private Ryans in Fallujah and elsewhere. If you want to fight America and die, then your wish will be fulfilled. If you want to live, surrender to American mercy.

For ourselves, we now have two generations of Americans whose only experiences of battle have been watching the news and movies and playing "Halo." Years ago I did a study of the pictorial depiction of warfare in high school history textbooks. Among my findings: actual grim combat received almost no attention. It was censored as being too disturbing for young minds. We need to upturn that illogic by teaching all Americans what combat entails: the good, the bad and the necessary.