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Topic: Niagra Falls?????
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BKG Prowler Junkie Posts: 171 From: Montville NJ Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-21-2003 02:41 PM
Why would you plan an event in a country where the Canadian fans BOOED our National Anthem the other night at an NHL Hockey game? I put them in the same category as the French, (fair weather allies). You could still go to the falls and enjoy, but stay on the U.S. side in New York. In stead of giving money to people who don't really care about us, both the Canadien and the French can kiss my AMERICAN A--!!!!!
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CTProwler Prowler Junkie Posts: 3915 From: Sherman CT USA Registered: NOV 2002
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posted 03-21-2003 03:49 PM
I agree--but Spoons booked long ago!!!!Where would they be without us protecting their Butts!!!!Just think how much money we could to spend on other things in this country instead of all the billions we have to spend on protecting the entire world!!!!Government Health plan for all Americans, would be a start. Also don't let a few sports fans speak for an entire nation. Just because we have a few *** - h_le_ in San Fran, Chicago, Protesting doesn't mean all americans agree with them either------------------
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Wayne Finch Prowler Junkie Posts: 4011 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: SEP 2000
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posted 03-21-2003 03:54 PM
I wasn't going to dignify with a response, however....Never confuse adreneline filled sports fans with how people really feel. Americans have also many, many times booed the Canadian anthem at hockey games (and other sports). In fact, at most US games, the Canadian anthem is not even played even though the majority of players on the ice are Canadian. I believe all the Canadian teams play the US & Canadian anthems at all games. Also don't confuse a few hairbrain politicians with how people feel about political events. We currently have a deadbeat prime minister whose is stepping down at the end of the year, but in the meantime is doing a lot of ridiculous things on his own agenda (including massive spending of our tax dollars on frivilous things) and there is nothing we can do about it. A lot of people are extremely frustrated with the government. That however, does not reflect the opinion of Canadians. The US and Canada are the largest trading partners in the world. While there are always disagreements from time to time (as there are between States and between other levels of government), relations between our countries are the envy of the world. And besides, I for one, have a lot of American friends who treat me as if I was one of them and vice versa (including those on this site). (BTW Canadien is CanadiAn in english)
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Wayne Finch Prowler Junkie Posts: 4011 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: SEP 2000
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posted 03-21-2003 03:59 PM
Oh ya, I forgot
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ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 From: Cincinnati, OH Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-21-2003 04:24 PM
Wayne, well said. Don't paint all the Canadians as anti-American. That is like saying that all Americans agree on anything. Ain't gonna happen. The fans were probably booing because it was against the other TEAM and not the entire country. Ever been to a baseball game or basketball game and you are booing the ump or ref and the sportscasters can't understand why you are booing the player? Things can be misunderstood. Did you agree with the out going Gov. of Illinois releasing all those killers? Are all governors idiots? Probably, but you can't say they are for sure.
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Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Posts: 3709 From: Colton, CA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-21-2003 04:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by ed monahan: Are all governors idiots? Probably, but you can't say they are for sure.
I'm not sure about all of them but our California Governor sure fits that mold! Wayne, Please don't let the voice of a few get to you. Canada is and has always been one of the most beautiful and friendly places I've traveled. You guys are good people and I consider many as good friends. Eh?
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Dave Mills Prowler Junkie Posts: 5419 From: Johnstown, PA, USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-21-2003 05:19 PM
BKG, you are certainly welcome to express your opinion and of course you don't have to come if that is the way you feel. Personally, I still intend to go to the Falls and stay with my fellow Prowler owners...American and Canadian.
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Tony Goertz Administrating Kat Posts: 438 From: Lucan, Ont, Canada Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-21-2003 07:04 PM
BKG - I normally stay in the background but being Canadian you did get my attention today. I will first agree that BOOing any National anthem is dis-respectful and should not be tollerated at any time, but to paint everyone with one large brush is simply a reflection on yourself. I also do not agree with all the politics and opinions in both of our countries - we could write stories about this for a very long time. Here is what I do know - the Prowler Owners Association was started by me - a Canadian - who wanted a site for ALL prowler owners to enjoy. Where they could "speak" their mind without fear of being sensored. Where "membership" was free. ( Previous sites were not so ) When Mike & I joined our efforts, we started the journey that made POA what it is today. Not bad for a Canadian / American alliance. In any event - If I were not a "mellow" Canadian and did not so strongly support the freedom of opinion - I would have simply blocked your USER ID and IP from the site, deleted and forgot about your post. From your remarks and from the fact that you must also be a spirited hockey fan, I suspect that some of your "spirit" got into your post, not much different than those guys that BOOed. Anyway - do not take this toooo serious - as, I do not - simply enjoyed writing this.... I look forward to seeing my many good US Prowler friends at Niagara Falls. PS: Everyone knows that the only place to properly enjoy the falls from is the Canadian side. And YES - I do welcome you and hope to see you there.
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Key Man Prowler Junkie Posts: 255 From: Canada Registered: MAR 2002
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posted 03-21-2003 10:50 PM
As a Canadian I was totally embarrassed by the event in QUEBEC. BKG & CT tread lightly.Alan
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JKrehel Prowler Junkie Posts: 688 From: United States Registered: OCT 2000
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posted 03-21-2003 11:22 PM
Eh?? Glad we're all here!! Thanks Tony!!This message has been edited by JKrehel on 03-21-2003 at 11:28 PM
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Kraut Prowler Junkie Posts: 1300 From: Plymouth, MI Registered: OCT 2002
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posted 03-22-2003 07:13 AM
Tony, I wholeheartedly agree with you. We couldn't ask for better neighbors than the Canadians. The border between us is alomost nonexistant. If there were no border crossing and you drove over, you wouldn't even know that you had crossed into another country. Even though our polititicians don't agree on everything, I believe that most Canadians and Americans share similar viewpoint. Besides, hockey fans are truly the most fanatic of all sports fans and sometimes forget to think before they act.
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CJ Prowler Junkie Posts: 18860 From: Rochester Hills, MI USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-22-2003 08:26 AM
Wayne, Tony, Canuck...........What??? You're Canadian? Holy s**t! I thought you were fellow Prowler owners and friends! See you in Niagara!
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BKG Prowler Junkie Posts: 171 From: Montville NJ Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-23-2003 09:00 PM
I love reading the posts from all you Canadians who protest so loudly that you are America's best buddy. So where are your troops that should be fighting next to our American troops and helping free the Iraqui people? As for you Tony Goertz who said that you would block my post, you too can kiss my AMERICN A--!!!
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Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Posts: 3709 From: Colton, CA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-23-2003 11:33 PM
BKG, I am very offended by your small minded bigotry. The kind of venom you are spewing has no place on this site. You embarrass me and I'm ashamed to have to share this site with you.I wish the administrator of this site would stop this post now and block you from making any more of your incredibly stupid posts. It's a privilage and not a right to be able to use this site. You have stepped WAY over the line with your personal attacks. This message has been edited by Larry Lord on 03-23-2003 at 11:35 PM
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ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 From: Cincinnati, OH Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-24-2003 12:45 AM
Let's flip flop the idiots. What if a few (or a bunch) of half drunk or totally drunk rednecks boo the beautiful Canadian anthem, O Canada, during the intro to a hockey game. Should all the Canucks then hate all Americans? Eh? Sorry if I offended you rednecks!
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DR PROWLER Prowler Junkie Posts: 4079 From: TORONTO,ONTARIO,CANADA Registered: JUL 2002
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posted 03-24-2003 09:33 AM
Not often do I feel appauled by someone's comment,but I feel that BKG's is totally inappropriate.My family lives in the U.S. and some of my best and closest friends are from there.How can someone generalize all Canadians by the actions of their(like Wayne said-deadbeat)Prime Minister?It's like generalizing all Americans based on the actions of their President!My advice to you-take everyone for its own merit and don't judge the entire ention by one single hockey game.I hope you do join us for the Niagara Falls trip and put the hard feelings aside-there are nice people north of the border!
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Tony Goertz Administrating Kat Posts: 438 From: Lucan, Ont, Canada Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-24-2003 06:34 PM
Barry K Gold Financial consultant Montville NJIt appears that your eyes are as closed as your mind. Had you read my post properly, you would have realized that the only reason I had not ALREADY removed you from the site was that I supported your freedom of speech. I do not get disturbed over sport fans actions when they become over zealous even as stupid and in-appropriate as their actions may be. The US Womens Olympic hockey team stomped all over our flag during the games. Again their actions simply reflected on themselves. On June 21, 2002 you advised a fellow Prowler Owner as follows: "Take a deep breath and say "whats wrong with me?. Is this whole thing that important? I don't think so!!!There are alot of things i am sure in your life that are more important to fret over, so to H--L with those that give you a pain in the A--!! Don't leave because if you do you let the few Jerks win!! " If I removed you now, I would be denying you the right to apologize. Being a Financial Consultant, you must be a reasonable man and have by now had time to think about your comments. . . . . But I also believe in "Respect" and ... you can not apologize for ignorance. Dont let the few jerks win!! ... - GOODBYE !!!
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CatDude Prowler Junkie Posts: 1593 From: Charlottesville, Va Registered: FEB 2002
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posted 03-24-2003 08:25 PM
I'm kind of surprised there is even a discussion on this... The media always presents stories, blows them out of proportion and out of perspective in order to boost ratings and make people point their fingers and go "ooo" "ahhh".It's nice to know that most of us have sense enough to not be duped by this sort of thing.... I've got Canadian friends.... At the place I work, I work with Germans every week.... Got British friends/ coworkers... and Iranian friends too... Politics and wars and newspapers and skin color and even religion do not get between me and my friends. Looking forward to meeting you, Tony....
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Tony Goertz Administrating Kat Posts: 438 From: Lucan, Ont, Canada Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-25-2003 06:44 AM
BKG - Extreme Hockey Fan !!!Where would hockey be without the Penalty Box? Just like in hockey - your "Penalty Box" time is over. You can post again. Play nice with the other kids and don't take your self tooooo serious!! At the end of the game - you will still have your opinions - and I will still be a Canadian.
Again like hockey - this site is for entertainment..... for everyone to enjoy.
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Tom Santella Prowler Junkie Posts: 1484 From: Sandy Hook Ct. USA Registered: DEC 2002
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posted 03-25-2003 07:54 AM
Tony, I just thought that you took care of that very well. Great job, very fair!
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Steven R. Gary Prowler Junkie Posts: 760 From: Mendon, MI 49072 Registered: DEC 2001
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posted 03-25-2003 09:29 AM
I for one AMERICAN, and Veteran also believe BKG over stepped his bound in "Expression". I fought so we could have "Freedon of Speech" and a free world. But I'm just as ashamed of our group of American, out protesting the "WAR" versus supporting our own troups. How soon they forget that 911 was based on a few fanatics that killed many here in the states of all nationalities, I only wish when one of these protest took place that an explosion would take place and give them a new prespective on why we have so little attacks her in our country. Is is because we react to the fanatics before they come here. Also you can not judge all people by what there goverments do. My better half is German and she also does not like what the goverment of Germany stands for. I for one will be PROUD to be at the Falls on June 6th. Reservations are in hand and thanks to our Canadian neighbors for being "OUR" friends...
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BeWare Prowler Junkie Posts: 18511 From: Acworth,GA,USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-25-2003 11:08 AM
Steven, I am also an Veteran very well put. I am not happy with the Germans, French or Russians either. I have no problems with them as a people only their governments recent actions. Purple Lady and I both are looking forward to our first trip to Canada and seeing our Prowler Friends from all over. I would like to remind everyone of the follwoing article which appeared in an Canadian newspaper quite some time ago..TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > > This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth sharing. > America: The Good Neighbor. > > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! This message has been edited by BeWare on 03-25-2003 at 11:24 AM
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BKG Prowler Junkie Posts: 171 From: Montville NJ Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-25-2003 01:38 PM
OK, First of all i don't know why i am being described as a HOCKEY FAN since i have never been to a Hockey game and know nothing about Hockey. I was just repeating something i saw being reported on TV news.Secondly i guess i did go overboard and i am truely sorry if i have offended anyone. I only meant my original post as a way of venting my anger at the way some of our "ALLIES" have been treating us over this conflict.I am sure the people of Canada are our good friends and i meant my anger against those government people whom i saw on a televised meeting of the Canadian government, bashing the U.S. I realize that this subject is the HOT BUTTON for lots of folks these days and again i offer my apologies to all who read what i posted not just the folks i directed them to.
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Wayne Finch Prowler Junkie Posts: 4011 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: SEP 2000
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posted 03-25-2003 02:01 PM
Accepted.Now, what about coming to Niagara where we can celebrate the end of the war, our fantastic cars and our friendships. See you there!
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CJ Prowler Junkie Posts: 18860 From: Rochester Hills, MI USA Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 03-25-2003 02:17 PM
Okay.........we can all get back in the sandbox now!! Just kidding, but BKG........thanks for being honorable enough to apologize. As a military mother whose son is somewhere over there, I agree with you. These are very tense times and everyone is much on the defensive. This is exactly what the enemy wants. Instead of judging each other over things (government, leaders, etc.) we don't have much control over, I think it would be better for everyone to present a united front.......otherwise, the enemy wins.
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