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GPS John Prowler Junkie Posts: 617 |
posted 01-06-2003 05:58 PM
Monday, January 6, 2003 · Last updated 1:54 p.m. PT Highlights From the Detroit Auto Show By DAVID RUNK
Chrysler Group COO Wolfgang Bernhard rides a Dodge Tomahawk concept motorcycle during its unveiling at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, Monday, Jan. 6, 2003. The 500-horsepower Viper V-10 engine gives the vehicle a potential top speed of nearly 400 miles per hour. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya) Nobody has yet tried to make the four-wheel, single-passenger Dodge Tomahawk go that fast. But Chrysler Group's president and chief executive Dieter Zetsche says the company might bring the gleaming engine on wheels into production one day for a limited run - if there's enough interest. "It's about pure performance, in-the-face excitement and not being scared of any limits," Zetsche said after helping introduce the Tomahawk at the North American International Auto Show.
This message has been edited by GPS John on 01-06-2003 at 07:14 PM |
GPS John Prowler Junkie Posts: 617 |
posted 01-06-2003 06:12 PM
2003 Dodge Tomahawk Concept Vehicle Auburn Hills, Jan 06, 2003 The Viper-powered Dodge Tomahawk concept vehicle shatters all the barriers of conventional thinking about personal transportation. This four-wheel, single-passenger vehicle is a sleek, rolling sculpture that combines art-deco styling with extreme engineering. The 500-horsepower Viper V-10 engine powering the dual rear wheels gives this radical vehicle a potential top speed of nearly 400 miles per hour - for anyone who wants to test it. The Tomahawk roared into public view at the North American International Auto Show. "The Dodge brand philosophy always challenges us to grab life by the horns," said Trevor Creed, Senior Vice President - Design, Chrysler Group. "In the case of Tomahawk, grabbing and holding onto anything for dear life is a necessity. It's just that extreme and passionate; a glimpse into the soul and commitment of true enthusiasts." Initial reaction to the concept vehicle typically comes in two words: "Wow" and "why." The "wow" is easy to understand from Dodge, the brand that continues to drive its foot to the floor - most recently with the all-new 2003 Viper, Heavy Duty and Light Duty Rams and an SRT lineup dedicated to engineering the most powerful production vehicles in their segments. But "why" would a company, famous for its innovative car and truck designs, go down this particular path? "Tomahawk is an icon of the extreme thinking for a brand that is known not only for the legendary Viper and Ram, but also for all new, innovative vehicles such as the Magnum SRT-8 and Durango concepts," said Creed. That extreme thinking produced a machine in the true tradition of power-junkie passion, powered by a 505 cu. in., 8300 cc aluminum Viper V-10 engine. "This is a bold faced slap against mediocrity," Creed said. "Tomahawk is a scintillating example of what creative minds can do when given the opportunity to run free. It is a pure mechanical sculpture and a joyous celebration of the artistry and emotion of design." The Dodge Tomahawk is a Chrysler Group design concept that is as much a Viper-powered work of art as it is a whole new type of vehicle invention. It is both a sculpture that can be ridden, as well as a bold statement about the Chrysler Group's enthusiast culture and passion for design. "Tomahawk moves design concept introductions and the concept car game to a whole new level - as only Dodge and the Chrysler Group can," said Creed. Dodge Tomahawk Preliminary Specifications GENERAL INFORMATION Body Style: Single-seat Viper-powered motorcycle concept vehicle DIMENSIONS: Overall Length: 102 inches ENGINE: 8.3-LITER, OHV, 20-VALVE SMPI V-10 Type and Description: 10-cylinder 90-degree V-type, liquid-cooled
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM: Alternator: 136-amp high-speed TRANSMISSION: Manual, foot-shifted two-speed Type: Aluminum-cased two-speed, sequential racing-style with dog ring, straight-cut gears FINAL DRIVE: Dual 110-link motorcycle-style chains Front Sprockets: 14 teeth BODY/CHASSIS: Layout: Longitudinal, centrally mounted engine, rear-wheel drive SUSPENSION: Front: Outboard, single-sided parallel upper and lower control arms made from polished billet aluminum. Mounted via ball joint to aluminum steering uprights and hubs. Five degrees caster. Single, fully adjustable centrally located coil-over damper (2.25-inch coil with adjustable spring perch); pullrod and rocker-actuated mono linkage. Center-lock racing-style hubs Rear: Hand-fabricated box-section steel inboard swing arms, incorporating "hydral-link" lockable recirculating hydraulic circuit parking stand. Single fully adjustable centrally located Koni coil-over damper (2.25-inch coil with adjustable spring perch); pushrod and rocker-actuated mono linkage. Center-lock racing-style hubs STEERING: Type: Dual hub center type. TIRES (4): Mfr. and Model: Dunlop custom-made symmetrical WHEELS (4): Type and Material: Billet aluminum discs, asymmetrical BRAKES: Front: 20-inch perimeter-mounted drilled machined stainless steel rotors, one per wheel. Two four-piston fixed aluminum calipers per wheel (16 pistons total), custom designed. Blue anodized caliper finish. Hand-activated. PERFORMANCE: 0-60 mph: 2.5 seconds (est.)
A review: http://money.cnn.com/2003/01/06/pf/autos/autoshow_bc.autos.show.dodge.reut/index.htm another review: And yet another review: --- oh, and the fine print on this "vehicle" if made... Try $250,000.00 --- ouch! This message has been edited by GPS John on 01-06-2003 at 07:18 PM |
Wayne Finch Prowler Junkie Posts: 4011 |
posted 01-06-2003 06:30 PM
WOW ------------------ |
GPS John Prowler Junkie Posts: 617 |
posted 01-06-2003 06:37 PM
2003 Dodge Kahuna Concept Vehicle Auburn Hills, Jan 06, 2003
This message has been edited by GPS John on 01-06-2003 at 07:06 PM |
GPS John Prowler Junkie Posts: 617 |
posted 01-06-2003 06:47 PM
2003 Dodge Avenger Concept Vehicle Auburn Hills, Jan 06, 2003 The result: the Dodge Avenger concept.
The Adrenaline Red Pearl-colored Avenger, unveiled at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, gives American drivers the rallye car style and performance usually seen only in video games. This high-tech passion and performance is packaged in a real-life vehicle that is robust and capable enough to get occupants into their own adventures far removed from the video screen. "In Europe, rallye cars are known for their tough levels of durability no matter what the conditions are," said Trevor Creed, Senior Vice President - Design, Chrysler Group. "In North America, such vehicles are usually seen only in video games. But why limit someone who has an active lifestyle or just appreciates a vehicle with similar capability to something the size of a traditional SUV?" Dodge Avenger delivers as easily on the streets of New York City, Detroit and Chicago as on the back roads of Vail, Napa Valley or Cheyenne. Although based on the European rallye coupe formula, the Dodge Avenger has four doors, consistent with the "do more" philosophy of the Dodge brand. Visually, Avenger stands out with taut lines that track around precise, robust surfaces and accentuate the protective quality of the overall design.Its body nestles between muscular, rallye-inspired fenders, providing a capable, powerful stance. Performance and street smarts combine to give Avenger the agility and size of a passenger car -but with the strength and stance more associated with the SUV market. Dodge Avenger has a wide track, full fenders and a unique fastback profile to showcase its agile all-wheel drive capability. The rear doors open 90 degrees for better ingress and egress and allow for both occupants and items, such as skis, a mountain bike or just groceries. At the rear, a hatch-style liftgate enables a level of versatility for any owner to indulge his or her active lifestyle. The details of the Dodge Avenger concept echo a boldness that resonates with the overall design theme of capability, functionality and stability - but with a sense of style and polish. Features accentuating the vehicle's style include a satin silver mirror ring to silver exhaust tips, black head lamp bezels including perforated faces, and silver head lamp cans with amber LEDs which permeate through. "On the interior, one of our designers described the vehicle best by simply saying that there's nothing fuzzy about it," said Creed. Avenger's interior is finished off with "New Formula" materials that are unexpected - right down to the textured vinyl flooring. With its robust proportions, modular graphics, metallic accents, and carpetless floor, the Dodge Avenger's interior creates a high-tech athleticism that reflects the strength of the exterior, while providing a cockpit-like environment for the driver. The styling is purposely sparse as a true rallye-inspired car but detailed in silver and black accents to provide a clean yet punctuated setting.
Avenger's all-wheel-drive powertrain consists of a 3.5-liter V6 and an A604 automatic transmission. Gearsare changed not with a standard stick shifter, but with steering wheel-mounted paddles to enable quick, direct and smooth transitions and response. "The Dodge Avenger Concept delivers all-wheel-drive capability wrapped in a contemporary, versatile package that real people can use everyday," Creed concluded. Dodge Avenger Concept Vehicle Key Specifications Length: 187.2 inches (4,754 mm) Wheelbase: 113 inches (2,870 mm) Width: 72.3 inches (1,836 mm) Height: 63.6 inches (1,616 mm) Track |
YellowFever unregistered Posts: 617 |
posted 01-07-2003 08:38 AM
quote: Before you get too excited, remember the word "concept" attached to all of these. Concept and reality are two different vehicles if the former even become the later. As far as the price of the bike ($250K), I'd opt for the |
Black Tie 161 Prowler Junkie Posts: 3563 |
posted 01-07-2003 09:47 AM
Those types of cycles look like assisted suicide to me! Anyone remember the official test driver of the BMW bike who, while riding it at about 180 mph, hit a bee and it went through him like a bullet?!?! Killed him instantly. |
DR PROWLER Prowler Junkie Posts: 4079 |
posted 01-07-2003 12:57 PM
Would that make you feel like James Bond,or what! |
butchcee Prowler Junkie Posts: 7476 |
posted 01-07-2003 01:52 PM
Looks like Road Warrior style to me. DC must be doing well to waste so much time and effort on a concept that will never see production. |
CAT-A-TONIC Prowler Junkie Posts: 71 |
posted 01-07-2003 05:16 PM
INSTEAD OF MAKING THE CAR THEY SHOULD HAVE,THE DODGE CHARGER R/T, LOOKS TO ME LIKE THEY'VE LOST THEIR CREATIVE EDGE. EVER SINCE BOB LUTZ LEFT, NOT BEEN IMPRESSED. THE MOMENT HIS FEET HIT GM TURF, THE PONTIAC GTO IS ON THE WAY. FORD GOING FULL AHEAD WITH THE MUSTANG AND OTHERS. SEEN THAT OTHER PICTURE OF THE DODGE CONCEPT WITH THE HEMI BUT WHO WANT A HIGH PERFORMANCE STATION WAGON? |
GPS John Prowler Junkie Posts: 617 |
posted 01-07-2003 07:20 PM
The Charger R/T and the Hemi-C-300N were both designed under the wings of Tom Gale. Same applies to alot of the previous concept cars that evolved into production vehicles on the road today including the '89 Viper concept and the '93 Prowler concept. Only the Viper and Prowler retained most of the concept features. Check out the Portofino (late 80's) and Expresso (mid 90's) concepts and you can see Intrepid and PT Cruiser styling cues, but only the Viper and Prowler retained their initial design, subject to federal and production modifications. It seems that after the merger, and loosing alot of the Top Brass, DC lost their style in the concept cars as well. Just my opinion, though. |
Wayne Finch Prowler Junkie Posts: 4011 |
posted 01-07-2003 08:55 PM
...keep your fingers crossed, the show is not over and I suspect there will be other announcements made over next couple of months. Example: Brampton Assembly Plant - one of the largest plants currently makes the LH cars - Intrepid, 300M, Concorde. Assembly line is being shut down next fall to be re-tooled for rear wheel drive cars. Obviously a Intrepid replacement but could also include 300 series - rumor is 300C (not the convertible), and other possibilities include the Charger and the Magnum. Cars would start rolling off the line in just over a year as 2005's. I believe the plant is being geared to run with 5 different models. Any announcements not made at Detroit could be made at the Toronto Auto Show in February |
CJ Prowler Junkie Posts: 18860 |
posted 01-07-2003 09:23 PM
Part of the problem, as I've said before........ The public in America seems to be interested in reviving the old muscle cars/hot rods. Damiler does not have a "hot rod/muscle car" culture in their past. They do not understand it. They understand Viper = speed, but they didn't understand the concept/culture behind Prowler, either.............. They don't get it......don't want to get it. |
GPS John Prowler Junkie Posts: 617 |
posted 01-08-2003 11:01 AM
I agree CJ, this is what happens when American STYLE is merged with German Engineering. Current products are much more reliable than from the past (across the entire spectrum of cars, based upon emission control standards, production efficiencies, warranty cost reductions, etc) but when the soul of a vehicle is replaced by engineering standards and "improvements", the passion is lost. I really hope there aren't any "subliminal messages" in your post there CJ - I'm still hoping the great lines of the Charger R/T and Hemi-C-300N make their way into production. (Even if it is an empty wishful thought.) |
ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 |
posted 01-08-2003 03:52 PM
Did anyone see them trying to TURN that goofy motorcycle or is just for straightaways? Great for the Autobohn, salt flats and drag strip but useless elsewhere? |
GPS John Prowler Junkie Posts: 617 |
posted 01-08-2003 04:16 PM
Ed, I was wondering that very thing when I first saw it. Especially after I saw the Fuel Tank Capacity: 3.25 gallons and Curb Weight: 1,500 lbs. But then again, it wouldn't be built for practicality - just extreme "Performance". Real extreme! |
CAT-A-TONIC Prowler Junkie Posts: 71 |
posted 01-09-2003 01:54 PM
Last year I had a great Chrysler calander and each month was a different concept car. I'm telling you, the car that stands up the most is the Charger R/T. The Charger with the Hemi in it would be a winner to the max. That car was slated to come out in 2004 but things changed and once again we lost out. Can't figure out why Ford and GM continue to this day to produce the cars with a platform that we, the loyal Chrysler followers, just can't seem to get from a company we've supported for years. Why won't they ever, just once build us want we want and not what they think what we need? |
YellowFever unregistered Posts: 71 |
posted 01-10-2003 07:35 AM
quote: Exactly. Look at the new Viper versus the old one. The old one had character and style. The new one looks like a bloated camaro. It's nice but, it lost alot of that character. Want further proof, look at Mercedes lineup. They all basically look the same. Yes, they are built very nice (we have owned 4) and some models are very fast (AMG) but, the styling is very anemic. Expect the same with Chrysler since they are in control of the purse strings. |
ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 |
posted 01-10-2003 08:19 AM
Mercedes is not longer offering a softtop, only a removable hardtop!! |
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