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Chromer
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posted 12-29-2002 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chromer     
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Gene
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posted 12-29-2002 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gene     
I SECOND,HE KNEW THE RULES>


Gary C
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posted 12-29-2002 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary C     
Often in society, the public and the media scrutinize celebrities' personal lives. This scrutiny can lead to the detriment of one's professional career, as the result of a tainted personal life. Unfortunately, this is the case with retired professional baseball superstar, Pete Rose. The Baseball Hall of Fame is the shrine that all baseball players and managers strive to enter at the end of their career; it is a symbol of baseball's most elite going above and beyond the call of duty to make a difference in the game itself. Pete Rose's credentials in baseball are unarguably Hall of Fame caliber; however, baseball decided that Rose's antics off the field were not deserving of the Hall of Fame.


Should the actions of an athlete away from the playing field shadow his/her accomplishments on the field? For Pete Rose, the most prolific hitter in all of baseball history, the question remains. Players in the Hall of Fame all have their own unique achievements that got them inducted into the Hall. As a baseball player, Pete Rose accumulated an all-time best 4,256 hits during his career, which no one has been able to match in baseball history. Also, he is the rightful owner of several other unmatched feats. To those unfamiliar with Pete Rose, he is still not a member of the Baseball Hall of Fame since retiring from baseball in 1986. However, this story dictates more than just a player's quest to enter the baseball shrine. Rose began to stir much of the baseball world's attention to himself through his actions off the field. After his years as a player for the Cincinnati Reds, Rose began his career as the Reds' manager. During his managing years, Rose was known for being a gambler and a questionable parent. After much investigation by baseball officials, Rose was found to have been illegally gambling on different sports, including his own team and baseball. As a result, baseball officials placed a lifetime banishment on Pete Rose, which, in effect voided his eligibility for the Hall of Fame.


Pete Rose's accomplishments in the game have gone unmatched by many of the other players in the Hall of Fame. Statistically, Pete Rose has amassed Hall of Fame numbers. After 24 seasons in Major League Baseball, Rose holds the most career hits, games played, and ten other achievements. Using Pete Rose as an example, baseball attempted to show the public what a Hall-of-Famer shouldn't be. Baseball exposed Pete Rose's faults to those that believed in him and to the public, in general.


Some of the greatest players in the Hall of Fame do not have the cleanest reputations either. In a similar situation Bowie Kuhn, a past commissioner of baseball, suspended Hall of Fame legends Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays for their connections to certain public figures in casinos, which were later overthrown after six years. If ethics is preventing Pete Rose from being admitted into the Hall of Fame, then what happens to those players with criminal records, drug scandals, or illegitimate children with different women? Ty Cobb, the player Pete Rose was chasing to become the all-time hits leader, killed a man and admitted to it. Of all players in history to have troubled times, Babe Ruth, arguably one of the greatest players to play the game, if not the greatest, had a reputation for being somewhat flirtatious towards women and an alcoholic. Certainly, there are a number of past and present players with controversial pasts, but their fate in the Hall of Fame has been or will be secured due to their contributions to the game.


While Rose?s dedication and hunger to succeed in the game of baseball were unquestionable, his actions outside the playing fields are still a mystery. Ten years ago, Pete Rose was banned from baseball on the grounds that the best hitter in baseball placed bets on the game of baseball itself. This ban resulted in Rose losing his opportunity to be inducted into the Hall of Fame, which has fueled the debate over Rose's ineligibility. If the Hall of Fame is a display of above average showmanship and merit, just how much of each is weighed into the decision making process? There is no doubt that Pete Rose left his mark on baseball with numerous accomplishments, but his gambling activities also left its own mark on the game, fueling one of the greatest sports controversies. Achievements are recognized for the effort and commitment placed into them, but morality also holds an equal share in the hearts of those attempting to recognize such achievements. Pete Rose will always be a baseball icon, but definitely not an icon to live by.



davidn
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posted 12-29-2002 06:33 PM           
hey Gary,

did you write all that on your own? or did you have some help?? LOL

ed monahan
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posted 12-29-2002 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     
Being banned from baseball does not automatically prevent you from going to the Hall of Fame. Well, it did not until they changed the rules, the year after Pete got banned. They changed the rules and it affected Pete and only Pete. I do not disagree with anyone's right to disagree in the arguement whether Pete should be banned or re-instated. I know it is a hot topic and Pete was always controversial, since his rookie year. (Remember the All-Star game when he bowled over Ray Fosse?)
Personally I hope he gets in the HOF but I think it would be ill advised to let him manage ever again. I don't have a vote that will affect the outcome though.
I certainly will not get upset if someone does not like him. He is not a very classy guy, for sure but he did his job better than anyone else ever has. He did not possess a lot of talent but he worked hard enough to overcome any shortcomings.




Rickster
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posted 12-29-2002 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rickster     
Ed, has the dust settled yet? Who was chosen to press the button?

Rkstr

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Chromer
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posted 12-29-2002 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chromer     
quote:
Originally posted by Gary C:
,.......morality also holds an equal share in the hearts of those attempting to recognize such achievements. Pete Rose will always be a baseball icon, but definitely not an icon to live by.


Geeezz Gary! You're literary skills are impressive!

This message has been edited by Chromer on 12-30-2002 at 08:38 AM

ed monahan
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posted 12-29-2002 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     
Rick, they had a raffle to benefit a charity and a former Cincinnatian (now living in Texas) got to push a symbolic "button" after his mom entered him in the contest. They said insurance prohibited anyone except the demolition company from pushing the real button.
The dust was gone in less than 30 minutes. It blew right into downtown but it was not much. It was basically just the shell of the building that got imploded. They removed almost everything from inside and tore down some of the parking garage surrounding it, previously. The new ball park is less than 6 feet away from it. They actually tore out centerfield two years ago since the new ball park was actually overlapping. Downtown looks much different, especially from KY. We took a ride over to look at it this afternoon.
Opening Day is 3 months from tomorrow, March 31 and we will be in the big Opening Day Parade representing the POA.
All in all is was pretty cool. I have seen it from every angle possible now. I taped it and they have been playing it all day on the news.
Is Busch Stadium the only one left? I know Pittsburgh, Atlanta and now Cincy are gone but I don't know if Philly is still standing.


Rickster
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posted 12-29-2002 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rickster     
Busch Stadium is nearly the oldest park left. The Cardinals have secured private financing for their new stadium recently, so it's only a matter of time for Busch. The new "retro" park will be adjacent to Busch.

Rick

superdanthegarbageman
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posted 12-30-2002 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for superdanthegarbageman     
MOST OF YOUR GREATEST CAR RACING HEROS ARE SICK OR MORONS OFF THE TRACK....TAKE MY IDOL....JUNGLE JIM....BUT HE WAS ONE OF THE COLORFUL GREAT DRAG STRIP CHARACTERS THAT EVER WAS....I SAW HIM AT ENGLISHTOWN BEFORE I WENT INTO THE ARMY AND HE JUST HAD HIS NEW 69 NOVA....LET ME TELL YOU..HIM AND JUNGLE JANE...MADE THE WHOLE TRIP OUT THERE WELL WORTH IT...IF THERE IS A HALL OF FAME FOR DRAG RACERS...HE SHOULD BE IN IT....WHO REALLY CARES WHAT ROSE DID OFF THE FIELD....ITS WHAT HE DID ON IT..THAT MADE HIM GREAT....TOO MUCH GD POLITICING..
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ALLEY CAT
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posted 12-30-2002 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     
Chromer - If GaryC wrote that by himself,,,I'd kiss his butt! NO WAY!


Rickster - The Cardinals got private $$ to build a new stadium??? Sure,,,,you send Az the loser Cardinals organization that steals one (1) billion $$ from the taxpayers to build a new stadium for them,,,,and they still will be losers!!! You are off my Christmas card list!


Ed - I have no vote,,,but having said that, I'd vote Pete into the Hall but a no vote on getting back into baseball. JMO All men cheat,,,,,,paying taxes, adultery, not putting the toilet seat down during the night, etc. Pete just got caught...........


Marty Usher
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posted 12-30-2002 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Usher     
As I stated on the Pete Rose thread, my opinion is ban him from baseball for life but still allpow him to be inducted in the Hall of Fame. His play on the field merits induction.


Punk N Purp
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posted 12-30-2002 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Punk N Purp     
Look, I don't care what anyone does that is not related to their job, but gambling on the games that one plays in is just about the biggest no-no anyone in sports could do.

If Pete Rose was a child molester, murderer, or thief I would say let him in the baseball's hall of fame. These have nothing to do with baseball. If he were a camp counselor or teacher I wouldn't let him have a hall of fame designation for a teacher if he were a child molester. This has to do with his job. Not on the job, but job related.

If you were an addicted gambler and bet on games that you played in, I don't see how any of you can't figure how to make more money by adjusting the outcome. I can tell you how, but anyone should be able to figure out how to do it.

He should never be put in the hall of fame …. JMO.


pauley
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posted 12-30-2002 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pauley     
hey...Pete Rose ...I am sure that you always betted on your team to WIN...you are not a loser kind of guy ....your a winner.....I personally bet on and expect my self to win ...all of the time ...


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