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| Author | Topic: WHO ELSE SELLS REAR GEARS |
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fixumm Prowler Junkie Posts: 3056 |
posted 04-10-2002 06:42 AM
who else sells rear gears. the deal going on now is one of the worse deals i have ever seen. 
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Todd Cameron unregistered Posts: 3056 |
posted 04-10-2002 06:44 AM
Ask Larry Lord about that. ------------------ |
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Vegas_Steve Prowler Junkie Posts: 82 |
posted 04-10-2002 09:38 AM
Todd, strictly a guess on my part....does Dean have a patent on the gears and......or am I totally confused?  Don't leave us hanging!!------------------ |
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Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Posts: 3709 |
posted 04-10-2002 12:01 PM
Stay tuned for late breaking information and don't spend your money on gears just yet! I have something in the works. Requesting a 100% pre-pay and not placing the order until 20 sets are sold is a joke. If I can put this deal together, there will be only a 25% deposit required. I will still need to get a minumum group purchase of 20 sets to make this deal work. I expect the price to be less than $1200.00 per set and lead time will hopefully be 4-6 weeks. That's all for now folks. ------------------ |
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fixumm Prowler Junkie Posts: 3056 |
posted 04-10-2002 05:22 PM
quote: larry i knew their was something good in ya i am in on that deal. u the man fixumm ------------------ |
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Don Gibson Prowler Enthusiast Posts: 17 |
posted 04-12-2002 08:15 PM
Hey all! Ive seen lots of discussion pertaining to rear gears. Living in hilly CA, I'm wondering if gears might help. Don |
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Alex Prowler Junkie Posts: 700 |
posted 04-12-2002 11:51 PM
You NEED the gears...way more fun to drive! Alex ------------------ |
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Don Gibson Prowler Enthusiast Posts: 17 |
posted 04-13-2002 12:02 AM
Where / who's gears should I buy? |
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dpena Administrating Kat Posts: 5359 |
posted 04-13-2002 01:24 AM
Don Gibson, You buy Prowler Pro gears. The time and research has been proven by Dean founder of prowlerpro.com . I'm going now on 2 years plus and have not had issues with his gears. I vote Prowlerpro gears all the way Dean has some cool stuff in the works that many of us will benefit from. Later... ------------------ |
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Don Gibson Prowler Enthusiast Posts: 17 |
posted 04-14-2002 08:49 PM
WHAT ABOUT THE COMPETITION'S GEAR. ARE ALL GEARS THE SAME. HOW ABOUT LARRY'S GEARS. ARE HIS AS GOOD. AND WHEN ARE THEY AVAILABLE? DON -------- 97 PURPLE PEOPLE EATER. |
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Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Posts: 3709 |
posted 04-14-2002 10:47 PM
Don, Yes, high quality gears just like the others. |
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Alex Prowler Junkie Posts: 700 |
posted 04-15-2002 09:13 AM
From What I understand....Dean did the R&D and developed the gears with the help of Borg Warner who actually cut the gears and provides the appropiate chain. The gears were duplicated by Tony Goertz and Larry Lord...Hence G-FORCE Gears, they were and are the exact same (Borg Warner) as Deans. I was in the understanding that they were no longer available due to issues that Borg Warner was not going to produce these for G-FORCE. I guess time will tell. Alex ------------------ |
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superprowler Prowler Enthusiast Posts: 6 |
posted 04-15-2002 01:08 PM
There is more to the story. Larry & Tony(one of the owners of this site)ripped Dean off by contacting BW asking for the same ratio. BW messed up and sold these two some sets of DEAN'S PROWLER PRO GEARS! Ask either of them how much money and time they put into R&D, better yet, ask them why they continue to try to rip Dean off? They call it competition, I call it stealing and anyone that buys from them knowing this is also a thief! Hey Tony, how about following your own rule, no free advertising, Oh you had Larry put the post. I guess the rules don't apply to him either! |
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Marty Usher Prowler Junkie Posts: 13833 |
posted 04-15-2002 02:08 PM
Superprowler - I can appreciate the effort Dean put forth in being the original developer of the performance gears. I have gone back & read the posts from last year when Tony & Larry first announced "their" gears. I really don't know enough "facts" of what went on in the background to form an opinion. From reading your post it seems you must have been around back then because you allude to being familiar with the situation. My question is why hide behind a new handle on the website to make your post instead of being open and posting your opinion. It would seem to carry more Calling anybody who buys the gears a thief coming from someone who won't post their name seems hypocritical to me. Dean - if you reading this, I certainly appreciate all that you have done in developing and marketing performance parts for our cars. Without people like you and other vendors, we would not be able customize our cars. If Dean has a problem with another supplier, I think he should speak for himself. JMO Marty
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superprowler Prowler Enthusiast Posts: 6 |
posted 04-15-2002 04:30 PM
I am simply making a statement as to what I believe. Look in the vendors list. Dean's gears say Patent Pending. If people here are going to treat this situation like a Clinton, I would expect your reply. It takes away from the real issue. I would speek up for you Marty if somone tried to rip you off. I post all over the web in many car sites. I don't get to know anyone other than by a screen name. You won't find my cars VIN's online anywhere or any other info on me. I keep a low profile. To many thieves out there. |
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Mike Krehel Administrating Kat Posts: 3047 |
posted 04-15-2002 05:32 PM
quote: Just to set the record straight here, Tony Goertz is a co-founder of this site and not a co-owner. Tony used to have a site called International Prowler Owners Association which is no longer in existence. Tony was kind enough to contribute some of his existing content (scrapbooks and owners registry) to ProwlerOnline. Again just to make it perfectly clear Tony Goertz has no part in the ownership of this site. I too have the greatest respect for Dean and value his commitment to the Prowler community by having the guts to make aftermarket parts that are innovative and of the highest quality. I'm sure that Dean will defend his patent and take what ever action he deems necessary! ------------------ |
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prowlerpal Prowler Enthusiast Posts: 1 |
posted 04-15-2002 07:53 PM
Let me start out by saying that I have been a member and enjoyed reading the many posts and discussions on this site for a long time and have never felt compelled to reply. After seeing this topic come around again, I must interject my thoughts. It is my understanding that these two hucksters Geortz and Lord procured a set of Dean’s gears and contacted Borg Warner with the intention of pirating the patented design. They successfully duped Borg into selling them an undisclosed number of the stolen patented design gear sets before they were halted. Additionally it is my recollection that these hucksters required money up front and couldn’t deliver on time gears that were pre-sold. It is my opinion that Geortz and Lord aren’t reputable, reliable, or ethical. Is it dajavue all over again and now they have to find another supplier and are either incapable or unable to cover the cost of the setup and want to pass on this cost to you and I and still reap the profit from stolen R&D (research & development). Now Dean on the other hand has spent his own funds and time in R&D and has produced a reliable product that was tested prior to being made available for his customers. After taking into consideration that Dean is concerned with making available not only quality product, he has not requested a single dime of our funds to bring this product into fruition. I am all for competition and entrepreneurship but lets put all of the cards on the table face up. Geortz and Lord now are experimenting with a new supplier. Can they be trusted to do the research and testing of the gears prior to making available to Prowler owners? Trust doesn’t seem to be consistent with these two based upon past business practices trying to capitalize on the hard work of others. Come on out of the closet guys, figuratively speaking??? Do you want to make Geortz and Lord more money and do the R&D for them at your expense? Mike K you have been strangely silent on this subject, maybe you can clarify the rules and policies in regards to the POA and advertisement. Dean all I can say to you is thanks for the dedication in making an extraordinary product truly enhancing the Prowler experience...... PROWL ON MY BROTHER.
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ed monahan Prowler Junkie Posts: 33595 |
posted 04-15-2002 08:03 PM
SuperProwler and Prowlerpal, I have been around awhile also, and I remember that on the other Prowler site there was this same type of sniping from unnamed sources. The only difference was that your posts would get pulled by management over there. Here you are free to say what you want and you still find fault with Mike and Tony. If Tony was an "owner" of this site you would be calling him a liar and a thief while he was paying for the site for you to post it on. Ironic, isn't it? But it turns out Tony does not fund this site, but did contribute to its inception. You have a right to criticize but if you are so bent on being fair, you reallly ought to sign your real name, otherwise someone will just think you are a crackpot. How much R & D went into the gears? I have no idea what the answer to that question is. Do you? That might make a huge difference. If you have inside information, please enlighten the masses. Thanks for your input. ------------------ |
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Marty Usher Prowler Junkie Posts: 13833 |
posted 04-15-2002 09:26 PM
Sorry - decided to delete my post. This message has been edited by Marty Usher on 04-15-2002 at 09:28 PM |
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Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Posts: 3709 |
posted 04-15-2002 10:49 PM
Facts? I'll give you a few,,, 1. Superprowler = Jerry Gena AKA Fat Man In the Bath Tub That's all I'm going to say until I know for sure if I can even get the required parts through legitimate suppliers. This message has been edited by Larry Lord on 04-15-2002 at 11:20 PM |
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fixumm Prowler Junkie Posts: 3056 |
posted 04-16-2002 06:07 AM
I just want gears with out getting ripped. that is not to much to ask. fixumm ------------------ |
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superprowler Prowler Enthusiast Posts: 6 |
posted 04-16-2002 07:48 AM
Ok guys, I see you do not want to deal with the matter of Dean getting ripped off. You seem more worried about who I am and I was wrong for assuming Tony G. is a co-owner, my bad. I can admit when I am wrong but Larry will not. My name is not Jerry or Fatman or Prowler Pal and is of no concern to the message I am trying to get across. A thief is a thief just as a clinton is clinton. Did Tony and Larry steal Dean's gears? YES!Did BW shut them down?YES!Did Tony and Larry learn their lesson? NO! Are they up to their same ol thieven ways? YES! Now just because anyone feels the price is high is no reason to resort to stealing. Just don't buy if you don't like the price. I am here to tell you, the morals of this society have gone to a clinton mentality. Larry, you sure your name isn't Larry Clinton? How do you define stealing? This should be interesting if he will reply to it. Larry you did not mention it in your last response. |
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fixumm Prowler Junkie Posts: 3056 |
posted 04-16-2002 10:21 AM
FYI I COME HERE TO GET AWAY FROM THIS KIND OF BULL$HIT. I THINK THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE KILLED I AM SORRY I EVEN BROUGHT THIS UP. BUT I DON'T LIKE GETTING RIPPED OFF ETHER WITH HIGH PRICES. THAT IS THE SAME AS STEALING. IF THE PRICES WERE FAIR THIS WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.
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superprowler Prowler Enthusiast Posts: 6 |
posted 04-16-2002 10:34 AM
Fixumm, this isn't bullpoop. IT IS STEALING!!! Plain and simple. You have no idea how much time and money it takes to bring a product to market, or do you? I'm sure you didn't realize that these two ripped off Dean to get others a cheaper price but now you know. If you are willing to do business with thieves, what does that make you? Maybe I see things in black and white, thats my choice and it will be your choice which gears you buy, if you do buy. |
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Todd Cameron unregistered Posts: 6 |
posted 04-16-2002 01:43 PM
Having been around "back then" let me clarify a few facts. This also relates because I'm very familiar with how something like this works. Dean contacted BW and gave them his required gear ratio. A GOOD gear supplier can add all the components together, like transmission ratios, wheel sizes, etc, and come up with the gear ratio needed to achieve a certain result. What research? it is simple mathematics, hello, anyone home? 2nd, when a gear manufacturer gears up (pun intended) to make gears, the "die is cast". Anyone can call in, order so many sets, and presto you have gears. All Tony did was say, hey, can I have so many gears at such and such price? BW said, sure, no problemo, send us $. ANYONE could have done the same, no hassle, and NO ISSUE. Dean responded by buying out any overstock that BW has made (when you make say, 1000 sets, you always make extra in case some do not turn out), he bought the resultant overstock out that BW had. Tony simply offered the exact same gear sets at a lower profit margin. The fact is, ANYONE could have contacted BW, said I'll take 1000 sets o gears in such and such ratio, THEY would have done the math and YOU would have had to dish out $ for 1000 sets and decide how much $ you wanted to make. I do NOT see an issue here. It is simple American Capitalism at it's best. ------------------ |
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