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posted 12-20-2011 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GenoTex     send a private message to GenoTex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by GenoTex
that is Sooooooooooo sweet!


Way to go Trey!

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Trey, you can get that metal piece off that the hood latch connects to with a thin scraper and a little persuasion. I had that and the latch chrome a couple of years ago. Bet you are still grinning after watching the engine go in.
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AWESOME Trey!
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Trey
Been a while
When you get that bad boy back home, let me know
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posted 01-01-2012 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for treyb     send a private message to treyb   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by treyb
A few parts updates recently order and will be installed later on as part of the build.
Brakes
I plan on starting to do some full track experience days this summer with regional riding groups and approved as long as I have a hard top.

To help with improved braking decided to upgrade the front rotors and breaks pads all around as part of the build. 
Going with T
EBC 3GD SPORT BRAKE SERIES ROTORS, DIMPLED AND SLOTTED, VENTED,


These discs have wide aperture slots that draw cool air into the braking contact area, thereby reducing excess heat and preventing brake fade. During wet conditions, the slots help wick water away from the rotors while removing dirt, dust, debris, and gases created by heavy braking. 

Then will be going with EBC red stuff brakes. Fully ceramic low dust, and will go all around. 

In searching POA there is Very limited options for back rotors. I have seen guys on the site sending there stock ones to be drilled in the past. Like below

We will see but this is more for the tail end of the build. Still have a while to go

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Shaker update
When I first called perf innovations noticed the first one they did had a hood scoop on it. The owner had it on prior to the build and in the end it helped to allow the stock hood to clear the raised throttle body of the 6.1.

Liked concept but not sure of scoop look and ideally wanted it to be functional.
When talking to Brendan he mentioned the concept of an old school mopar style shaker hood and it stuck with me but nothing is easy in a project like this.

So started Looking around to see how we could possibly build the first full blown functional shaker prowler hood. After exploring, all of them
We decided to start with and order the autoform shaker design.

They build the only fully functional and integrated shaker. 


It has a built in k&n shaker, full water drainage system and a cover that is moveable inside to provide even more protection is its a rainy day.

Inside shot.

The overall design is for a challenger and will require some custom fabrication, probably some cutting and resizing to make it work if at all for a prowler but has all of the right things to start with.

No guarantees on this idea But with risk comes potential reward and with a 4 week lead time decided to place the order now so we can have it when the time is right which is still a few months out in the build. 

Will be real cool if it can become a reality. Here is the look that I really like.

Here a link to an full install in a challenger. Really cool design will need to be a bit different to be in the Prolwer.
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f19/afr-shaker-only-true-shaker-pictures-video-40363/

Here is some videos of the shaker installed in a challenger and pulling air.
http://www.challengerenthusiast.net/599/new-dodge-challenger-shaker-hood-from-autoform-racing/

We will see in the coming months

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Having had the first attempt at a "functional" shaker on my 2005 Magnum and looking at my Prowler hood, it looks like a relatively easy modification with enough hood space to look good.
(but cutting the aluminum hood is no picnic)
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Now that is what I am talking about! Friggin awesome!
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom Santella:
Since I'm partial to Cuda's, I say a custom SHAKER is called for. I know the lines are different, but.............

This is on my bucket list, or maybe the Viper 10, right jim?


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posted 01-13-2012 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for treyb     send a private message to treyb   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by treyb
1/13/12 update
As most of us know, the Prowler is a low production car so not as many high performance bolt in options exsist like do for a Mustang or Camaro. What I'm starting to realize is when you look to do somthing radical like putting a Srt-8 hemi engine in a car that had a v6, pretty much everything ends up being a custom one off job.

This is what makes the project complex, a ton work, alot of man hours and requires are really skilled builder to make it all come together.

So let's take the headers and exhaust system . Most cars you can go online and order a high performance set. But where do you find headers for a 6.1 hemi engine that will work and fit in a Prowler?

It doesn't exsist so with like 30 hours plus of hand work and welding the team at performance innovations started with alot of metal
Like this

And transformed the first part into high perfomance hand built custom work in progress headers like this.

So anyone can buy a crate 6.1 engine but how do your properly secure it
To the frame in the perfect position, insure safety, the proper height, location and fit? You Can't find that off the shelf these engine motor mounts where hand made by Brendan and the team to get this engine to sit perfectly.

I continue to be impressed with the teams craftmenship.
Seeing it happen In person back on Dec has really given me a better understanding of what a custom build really means. The end product will be truly like a work of art from the team. More to come.

This message has been edited by treyb on 01-13-2012 at 05:03 PM

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posted 01-14-2012 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WildCat     send a private message to WildCat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WildCat
Trey,

thanks for sharing the documentation on the build.

I only hope they are blueprinting what they have done just in case someone else decides to do the same

Larry

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Your right the good thing is this is the second full 6.1 to go through the shop. They do have the game plan laid out and of course with the learnings from each one, things even get better to take it to the next level.

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WOW... Looks like a top notch install and moving along very quick. I am looking forward to seeing finished product I know it will be great. Any chanche the car is at Vegas in May ?
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Thanks Jordon just trying to keep up with your supercharged 5.0. Vegas would be nice but its really far and that 3k to ship and expenses is a bit much coming out of a full build. You can be sure that it will be in tons of car shows and race tracks in the north east starting this summer. It Maybe a featured car at this years Chrysler nationals in Carlisle, PA in July. Still have a ways to go in the build but getting excited already about the summer's possibilities.
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quote:
Originally posted by treyb:
Your right the good thing is this is the second full 6.1 to go through the shop. They do have the game plan laid out and of course with the learnings from each one, things even get better to take it to the next level.

So it will be a piece of cake when mine shows up there, right?


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Wouldn't say piece of cake, as you can see it does take time. If you are pretty serious and interested in this build I would give Brendan a call early on. Why since he is already in a build it maybe more cost and time effective for who ever maybe number 3 to tie in some of the upfront parts a head of time. Actually he is also preparing 6.1 core components for another international client. They are also trans specialist and provided key core upgrade compenents for other folks hemi builds.

All I can say going in is that you have to love the car alot , plan to keep it along time and plan financially. You have to have a true passion for the project be willing to be patient, take risks and the love the potiential outcome in order to make it worth while for both you and the builder.

If you talk with any prowler owner or builder that has done a Major build like a Prowler pro 5.0 v6, westech stroker, twin turbos, hemi engine swap, or even the early supercharger guys, There is a kind of unique theme and passion you hear from there voice when they talk about the car, the process and its kind of a universal and priceless decision that they made.I think I must of talked to at least 10-15 or more people before I pulled the trigger with performance innovations. Now I'm one of them and why I decided on this one not to keep it a secret and share the project with other fellow owners that may have a simular passion.

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come one Tom... you want the V10...

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So it will be a piece of cake when mine shows up there, right?



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come one Tom... you want the V10...


Good one if I was a gambling man and 425hp and 420 ft lb torque just was not enough for you in a 2800 lbs car.
Be a risk taker drop in that new 2012 6.4 hemi srt 8 crate engine in there 475hp 460 torque. We are Kind of already pushing that tranny with the 6.1 but what the heck be a trend setter and it probally may fit, simular design.

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I buy lotto tickets so I can give Brendon the chance to do the Viper transplant... he is game to give it a try..
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[B] We are Kind of already pushing that tranny with the 6.1B]

They put a 5 speed manual and regular rear end in the Howler so it should be doable. Plus you would need a bigger tank for the V10 so you need to find some room in the back lol

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Of course I would love to do the V10. I am into having a one of a kind for sure. The fact that Trey's guys have done a couple of 6.1s is a big factor. But here I am talking like it is imminent for me which it is not. But just like all the other mods I have done, I have seen what I wanted and been patient enough to do it when I could. I really want the chrome front end, which would make me pretty happy with the look of the car. Then I would think about doing the engine swap. Maybe by that time someone(JIM) would have done the V10 and it will already figured out. HELLKAT needs something to do now that the body is so BADDA$$.

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Originally posted by ed monahan:
That engine looks like it is 6 foot tall when it was on the hoist. Are you sure the oil pan isn't sitting on the floor? It's got to be exciting watching that install.

Ed good observation during the engine install. The oil pan did sit a little low.
It did clear but would be something to watch for when going up ramps etc.

Repost of first engine install video.
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q290/tre yb1/Trey%20B%20SRT8%2061%20prowler%20project/prowler%20hemi%20in%20progress/d94fdf50.mp4

youtube verison- they changed the audio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXVSLd7ykMc

pictures of the original oil pan from first install

No worries Brendan worked his magic wonders again and was able to fabricate the existing pan, still insuring plenty of space for the oil, pump and depth to recirculate. Great custom work,While still maximizing the core components and no worries for clearance. Presure tested No leaks and works well.

They also finished up the custom made high flow headers.
Bring on the magnaflow goodies, more allumium tubing and my Kat tips and watch her roar!!


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I can't even use a caulking gun that leaves as nice a caulk line as those aluminum welds. Talented and Pretty.
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Trey this is a very interesting thread. Thanks for keeping us updated. I am anxious for it to get finished so I can't imagine how you are feeling. Hopefully there won't be any glitches or surprises the rest of the way. It looks like they know what they are doing, for sure.
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nice job on the oil pan. I am surprised more people don't use the dry sump oil system like old aircraft use especially where there are clearance problems.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/question331.htm

A lot of people don't know about it I guess.


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