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binster


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posted 05-03-2009 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for binster     send a private message to binster   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by binster
I know this is a loose connector, since it fixes itself going over a good bump. Today I pulled the dash apart, and reset the cluster connection on the passenger side, but did not reset the connector on the driver side. Seems the cable is short and it needs to be disconnected from other end to pull out of the dash further??

Has anyone seen this.. Pointers to which harness connector is the culprit? I am wondering if it's on the control module under the dash??
Voltmeter is only gauge that works, and speedo has some garbage on the display.

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At about 4k miles my Air Bag light started coming on and going off and finally stayed on. They had to replace the SRS Clock Spring and no problem after that.
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clockspring.

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My experience with a bad clockspring was that the cruise control and also the radio controls on the back of the steering wheel did not work. I did not have an air bag light come on when this happened. Clockspring replacement solved those 2 problems for me.
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Thanks all - Would not have suspected the clock spring here. I thought that was mainly for the steering wheel controls and airbag. Any clue why it would keep the other gauges from working?.
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have you tried to pull any codes,is ck.guage or ck engine lite on.if the air bag lite is on its in the air bag system.ck.all the connectors to make sure they are plugged in all the way.remove neg cable to see if lite goes out.the airbag lite only comes on in 2 ways.collision or system problem.remove neg cable before unplugging or plugging in components.i still think clockspring,could be something else.

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Have not pulled codes.. There is no check engine or check gauge light after the problem corrects itself.

When problem is there..
airbag light is on..
voltmeter is working.
No other guages are working, and odometer has the garbage chars in pic

Problem clears after going over a bump.. e.g. pothole.. speedbump.. etc.
All guages work
check airbag light goes out
Tire pressure light comes on (This one is normal for me - pretty sure I have a faulty sensor)

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pm me your phone number please.

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Update here..
Today I changed the clockspring.. Gauges still do not work, and the symptom changed a little. Now there is no garbage characters on the odometer.. it is blank. Tach works, and voltmeter works as before..

Manual points to possible BCM or PCB on the cluster.

I checked the Fuse 11 and it was ok.

Any ideas before I take it to the dealer so they can hook a tester up to it?

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sounds like dealer time.let us know what they find.

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Hi Binster


Hope you get it fixed

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no bus means a communication problem between computers.if you need one they are about 500.00 to 600.$$$$$$$$$$.only available thru a dealer,dealer needs to hook up there scanner and clear out system.dont know why the dealer wont look at it.sounds like they are biting the hand that feeds them.it still needs to be diagnoised,maybe theres a independant around you that works on mopars that would help.maybe theres a chrysler rep,in austrailia that would help,i dont understand there attitude,whats then difference
as to who imported it.the price may differ from what i posted.

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ken,i think i mentioned this in a previous post from you.
your no bus.could also be a wiring harness problem.there are a couple of places where the loomm is in a bind.have you ever had that looked at.

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quote:
Originally posted by catfish:
no bus means a communication problem between computers.if you need one they are about 500.00 to 600.$$$$$$$$$$.only available thru a dealer,dealer needs to hook up there scanner and clear out system.dont know why the dealer wont look at it.sounds like they are biting the hand that feeds them.it still needs to be diagnoised,maybe theres a independant around you that works on mopars that would help.maybe theres a chrysler rep,in austrailia that would help,i dont understand there attitude,whats then difference
as to who imported it.the price may differ from what i posted.


Jan in talking about the PCM, not the BCM.
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the problem could be in any of the computers,bcm or pcm,the bus circuit connects all of them together,its a pair,plus and minus of twisted wires,thats how they communicate with each other.really needs to be diagnoised,could also be a wiring problem.when i had a no bus,displayed on my dash,the problem was a squashed wire,could be numerous things causing it.mine would crank but not start.

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Well - all fixed, just picked it up. They ended up replacing 3 of the circuit boards in the cluster. Dealer claimed they saw each gauge come operational after they put the part in.. Not 100% sure I believe this story, and I got the used parts back. Just happy it is fixed. Hopefully my experience will save someone $$ in the future. I let the dealer install the parts since they were not going to charge for parts if that was not the problem. Overall, I feel OK with price.. just slightly raped. Total bill was $750 which included getting my car aligned ($100). Dealer charged me $500 for the parts, and $150 for labor. Parts look like they could be bought for under $200 online - so, typical dealer raping occurred here - but only charging $150 labor was a good deal.

Parts replaced were

1. 5010273AB - Instrument panel - Cluster and switches - Circuit board - Speedometer
2. 4883182 - Electrical - Instruments & gauges - Printed circuit board Printed circuit board, prowler, volt 1997 - 2001
3. 4883183 - Electrical - Instruments & gauges - Printed circuit board Printed circuit board, prowler, oil 1997 - 2002

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glad to see you got it fixed, ever time someone has to go to the dealer with a problem they help hundreds of other owners solve a problem waiting to happen..also good to hear they had the parts, testing and fixing a circuit board without having the special tools can be very costly in money and time

thanks

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Glad you got the car fixed.

The price on the parts were a little high.

http://www.moparpart.com/cgi-bin/cat.pl?cmd=view_part&manu=CH&part_id=748
http://moparpart.com/cgi-bin/cat.pl?cmd=view_part&manu=CH&part_id=750 http://dealerparts.net/lakelandchrysler/cgi-bin/cat.pl?cmd=view_part&manu=CH&part_id=754

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Yes - Knew they were overcharging, but the dealer said the parts could be restocked - no charge - if they did not fix. I weighed this against buying them online, getting stuck with the bill if they did not fix. Kinda like what happened with me replacing the clockspring for this problem.
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they wouldnt take the clockspring back.glad you got it fixed.really wierd that the ciruit boards were bad,i do suppose it could happen.

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binster-- Did you ever hook up a unregulated charger to the battery or jump the car?

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Nope.. never have
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Prowl 36,

What is your line of thought about the question you asked ?

Ken

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quote:
Originally posted by Howard:
Glad you got the car fixed.
I had the same issue with my prowler and it was the ribbon tapes that connect the gages to the warning clusters behind the dash gauges. had corrosion on them. I cleaned them and has been fine since. Chrysler dealership wanted to change all the electronics.
The price on the parts were a little high.

http://www.moparpart.com/cgi-bin/cat.pl?cmd=view_part&manu=CH&part_id=748
http://moparpart.com/cgi-bin/cat.pl?cmd=view_part&manu=CH&part_id=750 http://dealerparts.net/lakelandchrysler/cgi-bin/cat.pl?cmd=view_part&manu=CH&part_id=7 54


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Yep,, Could have been that. Reason I asked for the parts back. They may still be good, and could use them down the road. I was at the point of "Time to just get it fixed"

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