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Why are the majority of Obama's political ads spent attacking Mitt Romney and not about his own achievements as President? And don't say because Mitt is doing it or that other politicians do it, because Obama promised to be different. Obama has out spent Romney about 4 to 1 at this point in Campaign Ads. I have my own ideas why this is and you probably can guess them, but I would like to see what you think.

From the Huffington Post 07/14/12

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's campaign has spent nearly $100 million on television commercials in selected battleground states so far, unleashing a sustained early barrage designed to create lasting, negative impressions of Republican Mitt Romney before he and his allies ramp up for the fall.

In a reflection of campaign strategy, more than one-fifth of the president's ad spending has been in Ohio, a state that looms as a must-win for Romney more so than for Obama. Florida ranks second and Virginia third, according to organizations that track media spending and other sources.

About three-quarters of the president's advertising has been critical of Romney as Obama struggles to turn the election into a choice between him and his rival, rather than a referendum on his own handling of the weak economy. Obama's television ad spending dwarfs the Romney campaign's so far by a margin of 4-1 or more

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BHO sure can't run ads on how well the economy IS...

so he is attacking anything he can at this point...

Actually,,,he has little to boast about


TIME FOR A CHANGE!

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He can boast about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H70vJRRrfk

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He can boast about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H70vJRRrfk


The Kool-Aid must be delicious!

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YES,,,,WELCOME HOME!


Then the veterans ask,,,

"Where are the jobs, and why is the

economy 'still' so bad?"


Time for a change......

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I will give him props for bringing home the troops from IRAQ and also thank him for his welcome home speech at the Vietnam Memorial. However the Veteran in that clip at about 2:30 must be misinformed as well as those that claim Obama has done more to support veterans.

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Veterans support Romney over Obama by 24%
Elections 2012May 28, 2012By: Dan Spencer0 EmailGet
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On Memorial Day, Gallup reports that U.S. veterans support Mitt Romney over Barack Obama for president by 24 percent -- 58 percent to 34percent.

According to NPR's Greg Allen, the Obama campaign hopes to capitalize on what the Obamacrats perceive as a generational change in the military. Team Obama focuses on the statistic that four years ago, although he lost the veteran vote overall, President Obama won among vets under age 60. Based upon that slim reed Obama is now actively campaigning to win the votes of those in the military.

The Obama campaign's focus on veterans and active military includes a new ad, launched last week, aimed at veterans and military families, as well as support for increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs, a revamped GI Bill and a job training program for returning vets.

Obama's scheme to gain the support of military voters isn't going to work.

Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said Obama has failed to keep faith with veterans:

"He is quadrupling health care premiums for military retirees, has quadrupled the number of veterans who have to wait months on end to receive their benefits, and created a jobs environment that has put a staggering 20.2 percent of our young returning veterans out of work."

In addition, the New York Times reports that 870,000 veterans are awaiting response to claims submitted to the Department of Veterans Affairs, a waiting list that has doubled under President Obama. According to the Associated Press, almost half -- 45 percent of the 1.6 million veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seek disability compensation.

Democrats lost the veterans vote by big margins in the last two presidential elections. In 2008, Obama lost among veterans to McCain, 55 percent to 45 percent. In 2004, President George W. Bush out-polled Kerry among vets 57 percent to 41 percent.

Based on Gallup's polling President Obama will lose the veterans vote by big margins as well:

"Age makes little substantive difference in the vote preferences of male veterans. Those younger than 50 are roughly as likely to support Romney as are those 60 and older. Male veterans aged 50 to 59 are slightly less skewed toward Romney, but still support him by a 15-point margin."

Peter Feaver, a professor of political science at Duke University, is also skeptical that the voting patterns of veterans are changing that much. But Professor Feaver is concerned that Obama's active campaign for the military vote risks politicizing America's armed forces:

"That is a special institutional role that historically we've tried to preserve by keeping the military as a nonpolitical institution. Yes, they may vote as private citizens. But ... it's not in their interest and it's not in the interest of the U.S. — national security more generally — for them to be viewed as an interest group."

So why would Obama make the effort? Perhaps because the critical states of Virginia, North Carolina and Florida have a lot of veterans and Obama desperately wants to carry those

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Yes, Like with McCain I can understand why veterans would vote for Mr. Romney with his service in Vietnam and such.

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Yes, Like with McCain I can understand why veterans would vote for Mr. Romney with his service in Vietnam and such.


How about the Messiah's service.....in Chicago?
http://times247.com/articles/obama-camp-sues-to-restrict-oh-military-voting

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Yes, Like with McCain I can understand why veterans would vote for Mr. Romney with his service in Vietnam and such.


I know Obummer was overseas, but I don't know WHY he was overseas or who paid for the trip. Was he in the service ? Did he register for the draft ? The libs are worried about 12 year old tax returns and we still don't know ANYTHING about Obummer's past. NOTHING at all.

Robert, direct question, WAS OBAMA IN THE SERVICE?

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Robert just makes it too easy.

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Robert, where is your answer. You commented on the other threads. WHERE did Obama serve?
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Oh, my mistake. I was led to believe Mr. Romney was a veteran. Sorry.

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Romney didn't serve. That wasn't the question. YOU criticized Romney for being a draft dodger. What about Obama ? Where was he back then ? Where did he serve?
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I thought Romney was a Veteran. Where was he?

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I know Obummer was overseas, but I don't know WHY he was overseas or who paid for the trip. Was he in the service ? Did he register for the draft ? The libs are worried about 12 year old tax returns and we still don't know ANYTHING about Obummer's past. NOTHING at all.

Robert, direct question, WAS OBAMA IN THE SERVICE?


President Obama was 18 yrs old in 1979, there was no draft in 1979. He has served as commander in chief since 2008 and has served honorably as commander in chief since then. Mr. Romney I have since learned evaded the draft and went to France. I'm sure many Vietnam veterans would have gladly served in France if given the opportunity and would give their tax returns if running for office. What is he hiding? He's supposed to be better than Obama, well let him prove it.

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He HAS NOT SERVED ADMIRABLY. HE HOLDS His crotch as the flag goes by, refused to wear a lapel flag pin until his own party told him he needed to do it. Ask the folks in the service if they have any respect for him. He bows to foreign kings. He is NOT a commander of anything.
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He HAS NOT SERVED ADMIRABLY. HE HOLDS His crotch as the flag goes by, refused to wear a lapel flag pin until his own party told him he needed to do it. Ask the folks in the service if they have any respect for him. He bows to foreign kings. He is NOT a commander of anything.

I would like to add that he deliberately
mispronounces "Corpsman" and takes credit for their valor, of which he has NONE.

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Are we even sure that BHO registered with the Selective Service?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHAM3hRI8_Y&feature=player_embedded

More fraud,,,more cover-up....another clouded picture..


For more, http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/DraftRegistration.htm

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If the election were held today, Obama would win the veteran vote by as much as seven points over Romney, higher than his margin in the general population, according to a recent poll.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47415035/ns/us_news/#.UB658aDnHCZ

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If the election were held today, Obama would win the veteran vote by as much as seven points over Romney, higher than his margin in the general population, according to a recent poll.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47415035/ns/us_news/#.UB658aDnHCZ


Amazing! An msnbc poll favoring Obumer. Wow. Who could have figured. I wonder what the sampling methods were. I'm sure they didn't poll mostly democrats. Try this one:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154904/veterans-give-romney-big-lead-obama.aspx

Or this one: http:/ /www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/july_2012/among_military_veterans_romney_59_obama_35

If he is so sure of their vote why is he suing Ohio to limit it? Believe what you want, the Messiah is toast Nov. 6th.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/05/axelrod-defends-suit-on-ohio-military-voting-law-calls-romney-stance-hameful/
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I challenge all Liberals, or strong Democrats, to watch this video clip......study it closely and tear it apart if you can.....and provide us with a defense of the actions of this present BHO administration as outlined:

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56


Everyone needs to view this,,,,,,everyone who cares about the future of this country!

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I challenge all Liberals, or strong Democrats, to watch this video clip......study it closely and tear it apart if you can.....and provide us with a defense of the actions of this present BHO administration as outlined:

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56


Everyone needs to view this,,,,,,everyone who cares about the future of this country!


That clip is AWESOME! Thanks.

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This may or may not be the exact same poll referenced above, but it still paints a clear picture of the validity of MSNBC polls. Even by their own admission.

NBC's Chuck Todd: Our Poll Was Skewed

by Mike Flynn 25 Jul 2012

Last night, I noted how NBC News was swimming against historical trends in pushing a poll with a deeply partisan skew in its sample. The poll, produced in conjunction with The Wall Street Journal, had a D+11 sample, i.e. 46% of the sample identified as Democrat, 35% identified as Republican. In 2008, a very big year for Democrats, the electorate was D+7, 39% Democrat, 32% Republican. In fact, you have to go back nearly thirty years to find an election with such a partisan skew.

This morning, on MSNBC's Morning Joe, NBC political director Chuck Todd admitted their poll had a skewed sample (around 3:50 mark) and stated that, if this poll were weighted similarly to their last poll, the race would have been unchanged, instead of Obama extending his lead over Romney to 6 points. (Of course, this invites the question as to why they didn't use the same weighting in this sample.)

Credit to Mr. Todd, then. Of course, when he previewed the polls results on a local NBC affiliate yesterday, he didn't mention anything about the skewed sample. And, of course, his acknowledgement that the poll oversampled Democrats by a wide margin hasn't stopped him from opining about lots of other information "found" in the poll.

Note to Mr. Todd: a highly partisan skew doesn't just affect the head-to-head match up. It affects pretty much every other finding in the poll. Obama and Romney's likability? Who is better to handle particular issues? Every single "result" will be skewed due to the flawed sample used in the poll. There is simply almost no real information to be accurately "learned" from this poll.

Well, that isn't quite true. We can learn that Obama's campaign is continuing to struggle with voters. Even with an 11-point "thumb on the scale", Obama can't crack 50% and leads Romney by only 6 points. If this poll were weighed within the same time zone as reality, Romney would likely be leading. Worse for Obama, even with the heavy Democrat skew, Romney IS leading Obama on who is better to handle the economy by 7 points, 43% to 36%.

Remember that media polls are often nothing more than propaganda. They are used to reinforce a narrative that the media wishes to advance. If they conform to the media's agenda, they will report them honestly. But, if they go against that narrative, the media will either ignore or, as seems to be the case here, "juice" the numbers to be the preferred result.

In the end, though, the media is just deluding itself. In November, the voters will have the definitive say.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/25/nbcs-chuck-todd-our-poll-was-skewed

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