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Michael Pond Prowler Junkie From:Canon City, Colorado |
posted 04-21-2012 10:44 PM
    
Obama, a Democrat, has used numerous quotes by Abe Lincoln, a Republican. SO WHY DOESN'T OBAMA USE THIS FAMOUS LINCOLN QUOTE: You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.
~ Abraham Lincoln ~
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diamondwymond   POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Memphisippi, USA |
posted 04-23-2012 10:13 AM
Ive noticed whenever he uses an idea the rethuglicans once offered, they are all against it. What else do you need to see they are not on the citizen's side? Whutsupwidat? Again, If its a gop idea, it's great until Obama suggests it. Then everybody is against it. What a crock of self-righeous bullshirt. So what is wrong with Abe Lincoln's ideas? If they work, then it doesnt matter who thought it first. Why is it wrong when Obama says it? You cant have it both ways. This message has been edited by diamondwymond on 04-23-2012 at 10:16 AM |
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Michael Pond Prowler Junkie From:Canon City, Colorado |
posted 04-23-2012 06:16 PM
You can pick and choose some of Chairman Mao's sayings, and they maybe good, but put the whole package together and what have you got?? Do you really want that? Personally, I don't care what skin color, religion, or whatever our president is, I look for the end results, and I don't like what we have!! That is why we have elections. The demagogs are sure to bring up race in this election, and I would put money on that. Obama can't run on his record. How do you like your real estate values, gas prices,food prices, what your money is worth, and what the rest of the World thinks of us? That is why we have elections! It's YOUR choice!! |
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diamondwymond POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Memphisippi, USA |
posted 04-24-2012 11:12 PM
I agree things could be better and the dem run congress is full of crap. The reasons i see for the financial collapse of housing are however, not their fault. In a very informal armchair analysis, i saw the regs get relaxed on real estate. Suddenly anybody could get financed, and did. In order to get some people into a house, property values were inflated, like if i did not have cash for down payment, my broker could get the property financed for more than its worth by inflating the value enough to cover my down payment. Then i walk in, no-money down. The loan is for enough to cover my down and the mortgage. The owner gets his money, the hose gets financed, and we live ever after. Now there's a lot more to it than my simplified explanation, but that's basically how it works. So when the realtors sold houses that were out of the buyer's price range and with pumped up values, it was inevitable to fail. People defaulted, property values were inflated & deflated, and Wall Street made money in both directions by betting on both sides. Everybody thought it was great while they were flipping houses, but everybody but Wall Street lost out in the deals. Nobody is out to destroy the rich. However i dont have a problem AT ALL with everyone paying the same percentage of income to taxes ratio. Whats anti-american about that? I think its called fair share. This message has been edited by diamondwymond on 04-24-2012 at 11:17 PM |
ed monahan          POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, OH |
posted 04-24-2012 11:23 PM
That is a good summation of the real estate problem for sure and you can't dump it all on one party, HOWEVER that is the democratic view of things. Give folks stuff. They don't have to work for it. If I give you a new car today and promise you a new car next year on April 24, and the following year for eternity, do you think you would take care of that car, wash and wax it, change the oil, etc. Heck no, why should you since you will be getting a new one next year. Why take care of it. It is the same thing with welfare. Why save, more money is coming next month and the next month for eternity. You didn't EARN any of it so there is no real value to you. There is currently a four hour Frontline special on PBS. I watched the first two hours Tue. evening and the final two will be on tonight. They let folks buy houses without any income or very low income. That is the LIBERAL way of doing it, not conservative. I agree that the big shots on Wall St. made a killing but they are not ALL Republicans. There are very wealthy Democrats like all the movie stars, ballplayers, etc. Why don't they step up since it is only fair to them for the rich to pay more. They said if the Obama plan to tax the rich goes into effect, it would solve all of our financial problems for less than 24 hours. I guess that plan wouldn't sustain us for very long, after all. |
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diamondwymond POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Memphisippi, USA |
posted 04-24-2012 11:46 PM
Oh i forgot to mention that part, Ed. You're absolutely right. If it doesnt cost you something, it has less value. I understand their intentions of helping everyone become 'landed', but it obviously backfired. But the desire to see everybody own a house who wants to, and try to make it available does not make Mr. Obama a socialist, or evil; anymore than people who receive medicare and SS are socialists. Of course there are abuses. But that doesnt mean the program was evil. Ive heard that argument from one side, ed. But from the other side i hear them say if everybody pays their fair share, the deficit would be greatly reduced. they say the bush tax cuts are responsible. They say they are not making the rich pay more than their fair percentage of taxes. This message has been edited by diamondwymond on 04-24-2012 at 11:49 PM |
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ed monahan POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, OH |
posted 04-25-2012 02:06 AM
The folks who are collecting SS and Medicare paid into it for years, for the most part. There are some folks abusing SS for sure. Welfare recipients never paid into anything and neither did their parents, probably. |
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diamondwymond POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Memphisippi, USA |
posted 04-25-2012 10:33 AM
Yep. I'll bet we all know at least one person who gets ss or disability, that really doesnt deserve it; and by the same token i bet you know someone who deserves it but cant get it. i hear a lot of people talking like government is supposed to run like a business. But i say that is error. Government's job is to do things like ss disability and medicare precisely because they are not for profit enterprises. And by the way, ss & medicare are not broke, they are working. And they are not bankrupting this country, as many conservatives espouse. Again, in essence, one thing i want to emphasize is that these programs (i didnt say all) fit the description of socialist programs. But we all know they arent, rite? I find it very disturbing when a faction tries to paint a program negatively, when it really isnt too different from some other program that the condemner likes. I read of accusations against the alleged liberal agenda, (which incidentally is partly correct in my opinion) but the conservs have an agenda too. I believe the only reason they wanted to privatize ss is because that would let them get their hands on that cashflow. And i've had a few business people tell me "it's all about the cashflow". The politicians who want to privatize ss,etc is so they can manipulate the cash flow. They want to 'play' with that money while it is on its way somewhere else. SS aint broke, it is working. It aint supposed to run like a business in that respect. Pardon me if i've chased too many rabbits with this post. |
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Michael Pond Prowler Junkie From:Canon City, Colorado |
posted 04-25-2012 01:07 PM
S.S. is one big PONZI scheme that the government has pulled on its citizens. If someone in the private secter had done this, they would be in prison for a long time. Just ask Bernie.. I wish I could just cash out of it, would be worth over $1 million including interest by now. I will be lucky if I collect $450,000 out of it, if I live for 20 years after retirement. President Johnson saw all this money laying around doing nothing, so the government put its hand into the till. Guess what? It's all gone now!!! |
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