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Chromer



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posted 11-21-2001 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chromer     send a private message to Chromer   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Chromer
While at the dealership today my paronoia about driving through standing water was reinforced.

My Prowler tech showed me a 2001 Mulholland in the back lot and said that this car "is not going anywhere for awhile". "What do you mean?" I said. He explained that the car made the mistake of driveing through standing water along I-25 in Denver at the narrows (near the Emerson exit) last July. Water was introduced into the engine and the crank siezed.

Replacing the enigne was the "easy" part he said. The problem is when the engine siezed, the aluminum floor boards under the seats were trashed. Apparently when the motor seized it disengegrated the drive shaft coupling and "fraged" the floor boards of uner the seats of the Mulloand. No replacement foorboard panel part number is available and bids are being shoped by Chrysler for replacement floor board panel parts.

My Prowler techs words of advice are: "Icks Nay on the drive through deep (any) water tay"


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posted 11-21-2001 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WildCat     send a private message to WildCat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WildCat
Sounds bad.

I drove thru standing water at about 30 mph back in the summer. Had drove the car to 25th class reunion. A quick summer storm dropped 3" of water in less than an hour but in a very small area that I had to drive thru to get home that night.

I was alot luckier, but let me tell you, hitting the water unexpectantly and not being able to see, then coming out of it and then right back in, a few choice words were said as I tried to maintain the car in the middle of the road.

Looks like the car needs a driveshaft loop.

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posted 11-21-2001 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tim Fettig     send a private message to Tim Fettig   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Tim Fettig
Has anyone heard of this happening to any other Prowler? I have hit a few areas of standing water and the only thing I felt was a fear of slipping and sliding. I never even thought about what happened in the above example.

Is it normal for the engine to die like that? I have never seen anything like that before.

take care tsf...

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posted 11-21-2001 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CJ     send a private message to CJ   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by CJ
Yes, Tim.........if the motor ingests enough water, it will literally hydraulic-lock and stop turning virtually instantaneously!!!

It's a cat, not a duck!! Cats are afraid of water! lol!

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posted 11-21-2001 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
That is right CJ, cats hate water!!

Even took my wipers off to prove that point. Keep em dry!

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posted 11-21-2001 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tim Fettig     send a private message to Tim Fettig   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Tim Fettig
Thank you very much for the information. This is just one of the things that makes this site so great!! I will not be doing any puddle jumping any time soon.

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posted 11-21-2001 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rickster     send a private message to Rickster   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Rickster
Friend of mine drove his 2000 Grand Am through a puddle, larger than he anticipated, several months ago. The engine died midway through. When water enters the cylinders it doesn't compress like gas/air, thus breaking and bending lots of internal parts. He had to file a claim w/ State Farm. It was cheaper for them to replace the engine than to repair the damaged unit.
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posted 11-22-2001 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kozican     send a private message to Kozican   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Kozican
Chromer,
FYI........You can not get any of the "body tub" parts by themselves. Not even an outter rocker. Nor can you get the "air craft" rivits that hold the tub together!!! So I was told 2 years ago that you could either buy the whole tub at 10k or 1/2 of the tub at 4500. or 5k.....and no rivits to duplicate the factory assembly. Someone correct me if im wrong but this guys insurance should "total" it. This is where an "insured" gets screwed on diminished value!!!

just my 2cents worth.....

Don

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posted 11-23-2001 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tarzan     send a private message to Tarzan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Tarzan
Remember that our Kats have aluminum engine blocks. Aluminum has a thermal expansion (or thermal contraction) more than twice that of iron (what most engine blocks are made of). When cold water hits the outer part of the engine while the pistons are hot, the block/heads will contract around the expanded pistons and grab or "seize" them. I suspect that this is what happened when the technician said that the engine seized. So, in all likelihood, no water was "ingested" into the engine. If water were ingested, like Rickster said, water doesn't compress like air/vapor and the pressure would have blown a hole in the top of the piston(s). When a piston gets a hole in it, compression is lost but the engine doesn't necessarily seize.

So, the point of this message is: you don't have to have water go into your engine to cause the problem Chromer saw, but you do have to make sure you keep large volumes of cold water from hitting your aluminum block when it's hot!

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posted 11-23-2001 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for butchcee     send a private message to butchcee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by butchcee
Hey Tarzan, I'm thinking that water ingeston would bend rods and twist the crank before holing a piston. The cyls are insulated by a water jacket making temp transfer from the outside to the inside a slow one.

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Who knows what the real story is with Chromer's observation. But we all know this: You never throw cold water in an empty radiator when the engine is hot -- as it could cause the engine to seize. This is doubly important for aluminum blocks/heads. As for what is damaged first when water goes in where only air is supposed to go: I've seen many holed pistons as a result of this, but then again, I'm sure as you say, Butchee, there may be a lot of twisting and bending going on between the pistons and the crank as well.

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