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ALLEY CAT                    POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 02-18-2001 09:23 AM
    
Ed - another masterpiece.
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 02-18-2001 09:33 AM
Don't they make hair care products?? Miss Clairevoyant! I don't know if P & G makes that, also. |
butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 02-26-2001 08:30 PM
OK, I finally have a plan. I've made a deal with Mike to get his Whipple blower with all the related hardware. This will be given to Matt at Finish Line to install with the exception of using a Vortech in place of the Whipple. A different management system will also be used. We have discused head work and cam regrind also with RW HP in the high 300s being projected. Hope this works. The Paxton is a proven system, but this is something noone else has tried and on the surface has good potential. I hope to have this done before the end of March. Wish me luck-  ------------------ |
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ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 02-26-2001 09:02 PM
I believe the cat used at the Finishline website, to be a Alley Cat. This is a infringement on my copyright, and may notify my lawyer. Good luck Al........... |
John Ross Prowler Enthusiast Personal ScrapBook From:Cave Creek, AZ, USA |
posted 02-27-2001 07:43 PM
Good luck, Butchee Hey Butchee would you email me the info on the deal you worked out. This is very interesting to me. Please keep us updated. ZOOM ZOOM John Ross ------------------ |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 03-20-2001 03:40 PM
OK, went to see Matt from Finishline today. He has moved his shop from Hibernia business district to his house. His shop is smaller then I expected, but appears to have enough to function. It will hold six cars. Lot's of projects around-most new and interesting.I have procured Mike's Whipple settup from him. Matt and I had talked previously about using the Vortech unit in place of the Whipple. I've decided to put up with the blower noise for the instant response of the rotor type blower. So here's the plan-Whipple blower, larger pop-off then Mike had used, headers,flow the heads, cam grind, laptop controled injector pulse and spark timing. All will be dialed in on a chassis dyno. If we need more fuel,hi volume injectors will be used. I gave Matt plenty of time to work this out . This is not a slap at Paxton, just a different approach to go fast. ------------------ |
dpena POA Site Supporter Administrating Kat Visit Dan's Prowler Excitement Personal ScrapBook From:San Jose Ca Santa Clara |
posted 03-20-2001 05:58 PM
Good luck butchcee!! Don't forget pics!! Later... ------------------ |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 03-20-2001 06:04 PM
yeah Dan, guess I owe you a few  ------------------ |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 03-20-2001 06:12 PM
Yes, good luck Butchee, its great to diversify.. Get a sound byte of the Whipple when your done.. ------------------ |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 07-31-2001 11:50 AM
heres a shot of the Whipple mounted on the engine left side. Pretty tight fit!
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jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 07-31-2001 12:02 PM
Is she up and running???? ------------------ |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 07-31-2001 12:31 PM
running with the head work, but not the blower---soon! ------------------ |
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dpena POA Site Supporter Administrating Kat Visit Dan's Prowler Excitement Personal ScrapBook From:San Jose Ca Santa Clara |
posted 07-31-2001 01:39 PM
Hey Al, EXCELLENT!!! More pics so I can get a bigger picture !! Also, see if you can follow thru with a dyno sheet? Later... ------------------ |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 07-31-2001 01:42 PM
I send the stuff as soon as I can Dan ------------------ This message has been edited by butchcee on 07-31-2001 at 01:44 PM |
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Doc-Man POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Shreveport, Louisiana |
posted 07-31-2001 10:37 PM
Hey guys, I do have some personal experience with the Whipple supercharged so I'll throw my two cents into the ring. First let me say that to be different is cool and we all benefit from the pioneers who dare to go where no man has gone before. The good news is that Whipple does indeed make a fine supercharged. It is a lysholm type supercharger that is the same type that is put on some new Jaguars and Mercedes. It does make a little racket at idle(this is due to the amount of backlash in the gears), it also has a slight blower whine(some hot rodders would pay extra for the sound alone)But it is not deafening. It does not whine like the blowers with the big cog belts. The air charge is indeed cooler than that of a centrifugal supercharger and you get instant throttle response with the whipple. The guys at Whipple are also very good to deal with, I called them at least 10 times when I installed mine and I got to speak to a tech every time I called. Now the bad news, It is not the supercharger that worries me in this instance it is the software and engine management system that is of concern. I was one of the first persons (in the general public) to install the whipple on the PT Cruiser. The install went fine but I spent six months getting the car to run right. The problem was that Chrysler had updated the computer on the cruiser multiple times while whipple was doing R&D on the supercharger system, and it would not interface correctly with the(updated) OEM computer. The whipple people were great and they worked very hard to get the car to run right, but it took a long time and they had to custom burn several computer boards to get it right. They told me that they were considering stopping production because so many PT's have very different OEM computer updates and they want a quality product or none at all. Mr. Antonelle may be very good at what he does, but I can't help but think if it is such an undertaking for whipple to get a new product on line(with years of supercharging experience and an in house dyno and a resident computer expert) that this would be a large undertaking for a small shop. I am by no means an expert in these matters but I do have some experience with superchargers not working correctly and it is no fun. I am also a little concerned that Mike K spent $12,000 dollars and still wasn't happy with what he had. Lots of luck and I hope everything works out. Just my opinion. Oh yeah, I finally took the supercharger off but I am a little wiser for the experience. Doc-Man |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 08-21-2001 03:27 AM
Doc, hope my experience is better then yours  An alternate management system can be piggybacked and is shown to work well, as in the Paxton usage. My system will be a little different, and I hope more sophisticated, being laptop controlled. The good news is that the car is running again and develops 8~10 pounds of boost while being driven. Matt reports that while there is some blower noise, it's not excessive, and there is 0 boost at idle which was a prob with Mike's install. He has used the largest pully supplied by Mike which needed some side panel brace trimming to fit. It goes for the management system install tomorrow and then if all is well, on the dyno at the same shop tomorrow. This project was indeed a pain in the butt, taking much longer then anticipated (4 months total), but if it works well, will pave the way for those that want a different approach.
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SPCL-T POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Portland, Maine, USA |
posted 08-21-2001 05:07 AM
Keep us posted Butchee. ------------------ |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 08-21-2001 04:28 PM
Well, looks like the car will be delivered to the dyno guy tomorrow instead of today. No boost at idle, but goes right up to 5 pounds by 1500~2000. Punch it and you fry the tires. Cant wait. ------------------ |
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dpena POA Site Supporter Administrating Kat Visit Dan's Prowler Excitement Personal ScrapBook From:San Jose Ca Santa Clara |
posted 08-21-2001 06:41 PM
Don't forget to pin up your dyno sheet Al!! ------------------ |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 08-28-2001 05:15 PM
OK, I have some preliminary results. The stock injectors took the engine to 290 RWHP at 5 pounds of boost. I'll be running in the 10 lb range so I can guesstimate about 350 RWHP on pump gas. Using 2 30lb injectors in the intake piping, the system was able to go way rich, so fuel pressure looks like it wont be a prob. The guy is still tinkering and it looks like I'll be driving tomorrow and have it in my garage the next day! ------------------ |
Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 08-28-2001 05:22 PM
I can not imagine going that long without my car!! It is really great to see someone take a chance on doing something different. I will look forward to reading about your reaction when you actually get to drive it with full boost and everything tuned properly. Good luck Marty ------------------ |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 08-28-2001 05:25 PM
tell me about it Marty~!!!!!. Looks like it's going to be worth it~time will tell. ------------------ |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 08-28-2001 07:48 PM
More info-with a conservative 12~1 air fuel ratio, the car makes 340 RWHP. Max torque is at 4600 at 335 ft lbs. I dont know the boost because the guy setting it up was busy looking at the air-fuel meter, and I wasn't there to see the test. What are you guys running for air-fuel ratio, Mike, Dan and JD? Matt says this is safe at this level and another 10~15 Hp could be had with a lean out. I'll post the dyno sheet as soon as I have it. ------------------ This message has been edited by butchcee on 08-29-2001 at 05:06 AM |
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 08-30-2001 12:11 AM
Back on the dyno for programing as soon as possible to eliminate a hesitation as the boost comes in. It should be some simple programing. BTW, we're making this power with 9 lbs of boost. ------------------ |
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Todd Cameron unregistered Admin Use |
posted 08-30-2001 03:54 PM
Pretty intense Al... but that's the biggest reason I have three... never a day without at least one Kat to drive... and it is "rough" when I cannot see all three parked in the garage... guess I'll be pulling up to the stop light in your dust Our last run, Rudy had is Orange Paxton Kat out.. do all Paxton's whistle like that? I'm deaf enough... don't need that constant whine for any amount of power. Really beautiful Kat though, Rudy, post some pics of it for the "boys".------------------ |
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