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posted 01-24-2018 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NullMind     send a private message to NullMind   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by NullMind
Hi everybody

My 99 seems to be having problems with the starter (battery seems fine, turn it gives one single click, try a few times and then it starts)

Can somebody tell me the Part number for the 99 starter please ?

Carlos

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NOT AN EXPERT! But it sounds like a few times when I've had loose terminal clamps or bad ground cable connection
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Originally posted by alprowl:
NOT AN EXPERT! But it sounds like a few times when I've had loose terminal clamps or bad ground cable connection

Yeah, I tough it might be the clamps, but it also did it for me when I had the jump cables on it, but will have them re-check them

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Check all connections especially ground wire to frame Carlos.
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04609150 STARTER Prowler 99

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-Plymouth-Prowler-1997-1998-1999-3-5L-V6/331362224569?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49923%26meid%3D2c7f4d2c69d34206b7

4609150

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Starter-for-Chrysler-LHS-New-Yorker-Plymouth-Prowler-Eagle-Vision-Intrepid/162180570192?hash=item25c2b71c50:g:lNcAAOSwi8xaKXtC&vxp=mtr
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Originally posted by NullMind:
Yeah, I tough it might be the clamps, but it also did it for me when I had the jump cables on it, but will have them re-check them

Did you try putting the negative jumper to the frame or metal instead of the battery?

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I little trick I have used for checking connections is have someone in the car turn the key to the start position and someone under the hood with a large coin. Wedge the coin between the battery terminal and the battery lead. It bridges the connection and if it is bad you will know it. This can be done with any metallic object but usually you have a coin in your pocket if you own a Prowler. lol

You can use this method on any connection you can get to.

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Originally posted by alprowl:
Did you try putting the negative jumper to the frame or metal instead of the battery?

No, I was using one of those battery powered jumpstart systems, should I try with it ?

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Originally posted by kees:
04609150 STARTER Prowler 99


I was able to get to the starter, the part on mine is 4609346ab .. from my googling the one I have it’s listed as 00 onwards ... strange

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Originally posted by padroo:
Check all connections especially ground wire to frame Carlos.

Can you help me with this one, how do I check ground wire ? What should I be looking for ?

Told the mechanic to check, but not sure he did, need a new mechanic, he is just set on replacing my starter

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Loose cable or bad starter solenoid. Try starting with the headlamps on. If it is a cable, it will kill the headlights for a second or two. If the headlamps stay bright, change the solenoid.

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Good thread here Carlos.

1...Take both cables off battery and clean the post. Plus the cable ends.
Follow the ground wire that goes to the front of the nose remove and give the cable and the frame a little brush to clean both surfaces.
Replace all wires and tighten try to start.

2 if 1 doesn't fix problem there is a relay in the engine compartment on drivers side . Remove side panel to access. Switch the relay out with one beside it. Replace both and try to start.
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002478.html

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Diagrams for relays provided by padroo.
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/005594.html


Ground locations
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004817.html

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If you buy a new or rebuilt starter make sure you can return it if mail order.
I bought a new one from Summit Racing the nose was wrong
the solenoid was clocked so it would not fit.
Bought a rebuilt from Auto Zone same thing.
I wound up taking it off and to a starter rebuild shop.
He tore it down and assured me it was like new inside.
I had him put on a new solenoid which is not repairable only replaceable. We broke old one open and the contacts were worn off. Some where my post with pictures is on POA.
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Originally posted by NullMind:
No, I was using one of those battery powered jumpstart systems, should I try with it ?

I've done it many times with the jump box. You'll know right away if the problem is the ground cable connection

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Stroker's pictures are on this thread.
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/005332.html
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Originally posted by alprowl:
I've done it many times with the jump box. You'll know right away if the problem is the ground cable connection

So if it starts fine every time doing it that way, then one knows for sure the ground connection has a problem ? because I have grounded it that way .. correct ?

I just wish the problem was persistent, it's easier to diagnose, if I run with the car for a little while, it does not seem to happen

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Originally posted by NullMind:
So if it starts fine every time doing it that way, then one knows for sure the ground connection has a problem ? because I have grounded it that way .. correct ?

I just wish the problem was persistent, it's easier to diagnose, if I run with the car for a little while, it does not seem to happen


Based on my experience, yes, it's the ground cable... When there is a problem I will hear one loud click and the engine wil not turn over...and if I don't do anything about it, (clean/tighten cable) it may work fine for a few days and then a week later it won't start again.
I think there is the possibility that if the ground is bad, the battery is not being fully re-charged by the alternator while driving.

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How about an update?
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How about an update?

Sure

It seems to indeed be the starter, I cleaned the contacts .. no help, I tried to use a jumpstart and ground it to the car metal, no help, when I start and it fails, the lights dont dim

So far it seems to be the starter, it's a hit or miss, the weird bit is if I drive on it for a little while, it starts fine the next time

My only confusion is the starter on mine has the model 04609346AB, but from my investigation thats a starter for the 00 onwards, mine is a 99, my other issue is, are all 04609346AB the same ?, I see some Chrysler models (300M for example) seem to have the same model number, but I read somewhere here somebody ordering one and the fit was not the same ... ugh

Unsure the best place to get another one

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example

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Starter-for-Chrysler-LHS-New- Yorker-Plymouth-Prowler-Eagle-Vision-Intrepid/162180570192

lists for the Prowler 99, but the Model is 4609011 not 04609346AB

That model for instance shows on this starter below I could buy locally (well, Germany ... close enough) .. but unsure if it fits

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Starter-Motor-CHRYSLER-CONCORDE-3-5-LX-NEW-YORKER- 3-5-NEW/201899149751

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Originally posted by phil2237:
Loose cable or bad starter solenoid. Try starting with the headlamps on. If it is a cable, it will kill the headlights for a second or two. If the headlamps stay bright, change the solenoid.

Just the solenoid ? not the entire starter ? any idea what the part number is ?

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One more item, how do I check if it's not the Ignition switch ?

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