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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 03-19-2017 01:03 PM
    
All Well after seeing this car as a kid 20 years ago..I finally got one! I got this car from a bank repo. I have been working on this car for about a month and a half. I have replaced alot to get it through Cali smog but was successful. The prior owner did some strange things to the car like removed the rear speaker box and the factory amplifier is missing. Still sorting that issue in another post about the stereo wiring harness. Yesterday I was replacing the stereo head unit and while testing the ignition and shutdown of the stereo, the ignition switch started to act up. What happened was the ignition started to stick as I switched to the off position. Eventually as I was working the switch will not go to off. The chime wont stop and the key can now be pulled out. The car can be started without the key. I think the tumbler has failed. I checked the the park shifter cable that I saw some people had come off but mine is in place under the bezel. I cleaned and lubed everything it looks good. I lubled up the ignition keyhole lock and lightly tapped the key to free the tumbler but no luck. What else might I be missing? If I am heading to get a new tumbler, where can I get one and will I be heading to a locksmith to get it keyed to my original keys? What has everyone else done to fix this issue? Thanks for your help! |
padroo           POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 03-19-2017 04:12 PM
Welcome to the POA, you came to the right place for information. I haven't had a reason to replace the ignition switch in a Prowler but someone here has. A lot of the owners have had their cars since they were new and a wealth of experience. I would like to offer some advice on working on the ignition switch. Make sure you disconnect the battery anytime you are working on the steering column because of the risk of setting off the air bag. |
mslc10 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bulverde, Texas, United States |
posted 03-19-2017 08:59 PM
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padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 03-19-2017 11:25 PM
The local parts stores probably have them too. |
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Largent POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Saugus, CA, USA |
posted 03-26-2017 10:51 AM
Welcome Widow - As Padroo has said, you've come to the right place for help. Be sure to check back often and share what you're learning. What color is your car? This message has been edited by Largent on 03-26-2017 at 10:52 AM |
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 03-27-2017 03:51 AM
Hello My car is black on black. It has some body pieces from Gary. Rear roll pan in diamond and diamond front grill. So I bought a new tumbler and ignition switch assembly. Outside of the steering column my key and switch work great. Once I mount the assembly into the column, I am back to my original issue of the ignition not being able to be turned off or to ACC position. At this point it looks like my ignition locking link is having an issue. How far towards the column should that plate (ignition locking link) slide? Mine moves but not a lot. As stated I have checked the parking cable actuator and all looks fine. Anyone have any ideas? I would love to get back on the road. I have attached a picture of the interlock to this message. Thanks for everyone's input!
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padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 03-27-2017 12:52 PM
Do you have a shop manual? I have the shop manual here on .pdf and can send you anything you want about the shift linkage. Some of the pictures don't show great detail to troubleshoot. Can you disconnect the interlock at the ignition switch to see if it is binding? Just trying to isolate the problem. I found this, is this your problem? http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003602.html
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019162.html This message has been edited by padroo on 03-27-2017 at 01:07 PM |
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 03-27-2017 01:41 PM
Hello Padroo Thank you for responding. My issue sounds like the prior posts on this forum dealing with the interlock cable. I checked all the spots of the cable as noted by prior members (under the bezel etc). I do not see the same cable issue. What I do see is that at the column with the tumbler and the ignition removed, the sliding lock plate that mates with the pin on the back of the ignition switch housing, moves pretty freely. I can slide it back and forth with my finger. I was expecting some sort of tension by spring etc. Could it be that the other end of that interlock plate had a spring break off or actuator arm? I had great difficulty getting the new ignition switch to mate to the column. I made sure as noted that the backside key was in the 3 o'clock position and that the key itself was in the off position. I could get the bottom to mate and the plastic pin to seat easily but the top where the pin in the half circle meeting the interlock plate was a headache. I have shop manuals but none of the manuals really define what the mechanism is in the column that interacts with that actuator plate. Its probably really simple but I dont have a good view of the components. Is there some sort of solenoid or other electrics involved with the interlock at the column and that sliding plate? Thanks for your input
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padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 03-27-2017 01:51 PM
As far as I know it is all mechanical. Hopefully someone else that has more knowledge about it will chime in and have some information for you. |
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 03-27-2017 02:55 PM
Thanks mslc10! Autozone sold me the wrong one.  Back to Ebay!
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 03-27-2017 03:12 PM
Thanks padroo. I can see the edge of what looks like the end of a spring connected to the actuator slider in the column. If anyone knows how to get to the further internals of the actuator in the column please let me know. I can see the cable running from the shifter up to the column and I can make the paddle made of plastic flip in the column when I press the shifter button. Thanks
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 03-28-2017 05:56 PM
Padroo...do you have a diagram or detailed breakdown of the ignition lockout components at the column level? My issue is definitely the lockout but a failed component at the column. Whatever component it is has now caused my battery to go dead. Thanks everyone!
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padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 03-28-2017 07:39 PM
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padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 03-28-2017 07:41 PM
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jwallis         POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:JOHNSONBURG, PA., USA. |
posted 03-28-2017 08:14 PM
WIDLW look at this link Prowler parts manual |
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 03-29-2017 04:24 PM
Thank you for posting this Padroo. What I am looking for is a breakdown on the second image you posted dealing with the interlock in the column. There is a plate that almost looks like your door lock plate you would find on your home door frame. On that sliding interlock plate there is an arm that goes into the column. I can see the edge of what looks like a spring on mine but you can freely move that interlock plate without any tension. Do you have a breakdown on that plate and what it attaches to? Thanks everyone!
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 03-29-2017 05:28 PM
Thanks jwallis! I appreciate the PDF. It is handy to have this version for my tablet, phone or laptop. I have a 4 et of manuals for the Prowler. Are there any further detailed books on all components? I am not getting a complete breakdown of every part in the column connected to the interlock. Thanks!
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 04-03-2017 01:46 AM
Hello Everyone I appreciate everyone's input on my ignition not turning to off or accessory. I have followed the book on the procedure on adjusting the interlock but I still cannot turn the key to off or accessory. In the column there is a sliding plate as shown in the image posts by Padroo called the "Ignition locking link". That plate is shaped like a square with an "S" shaped cutout that a pin from the ignition switch sits in. That plate "Ignition locking link" slides freely without any tension on it and further in the column the square plate "Ignition locking link" has an arm attached. That arm goes further into the column and I can see the "C" shape of the end of what looks like a spring that broke off. Does anybody here have a breakdown of the parts involved in the makeup of the "Ignition locking link" and how it interacts in the process? I have a heck of a time putting the ignition switch housing back in place with the lineup of the keyswicth and the pin that interacts with the plate of the "Ignition locking link". Something is not right I shouldnt have to force the ignition switch housing into place. I have everything lined up as it should be such as the key switch in the 3 clock position. Thanks for your help
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 04-27-2017 12:41 PM
Does anyone know where I can get a replacement ignition lock cable assembly? The factory part number has been discontinued. Thanks for your help
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robin POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St Thomas Ontario Canada |
posted 04-27-2017 01:49 PM
http://picclick.com/Steering-Column-Ignition-Switch-Actuator-Pin-Assembly-Dorman-351821692595.html I feel for you but just don't know how to help. robin |
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 04-27-2017 02:07 PM
Hello Robin Thanks for your response. There should be a similar part for maybe the Chrysler Jeep of the era or a Dodge vehicle. Thanks
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stevedymo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Brick, NJ, USA |
posted 04-27-2017 04:10 PM
The cable has a new part number. Old Part Number 4593524AA http://parts.moparonlineparts.com/oem-parts/mopar-cable-ignition-interlock-4593524ab |
DON WIEBER  POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Avon, mn, us |
posted 04-28-2017 08:29 AM
my cable came off twice on the center console. i glued it on so it will not come off. if it comes off you cannot move the cat. you will have to use your credit car as to push in the clips for removal. push the brake in. hold it and have the shifter in n to make the cable as long as possible. needle nose pliers is also helpful. this is a 2 person job. |
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DON WIEBER POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Avon, mn, us |
posted 04-28-2017 08:32 AM
my cable came off twice on the center console. i glued it on so it will not come off. if it comes off you cannot move the cat. you will have to use your credit car as to push in the clips for removal. push the brake in. hold it and have the shifter in n to make the cable as long as possible. needle nose pliers is also helpful. this is a 2 person job. |
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WIDOW Prowler Enthusiast From:Claremont, CA, USA |
posted 04-29-2017 12:17 AM
Thank you Steve. That site is who I contacted and they gave me the runaround on confirming that was the new part number or not. They wanted me to pull out my old assembly and locate the part number currently on it.
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