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posted 06-06-2018 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for reechee     send a private message to reechee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by reechee
It is not to disrespect the flag, contrary to Tweety's assertion, it is to bring awareness to stuff like this:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/four-arizona-police-officers-put-leave-after-video-shows-man-n880456

Newly released footage from Arizona appears to show another example of police using undue force on an unarmed citizen.

The surveillance video opens with a Mesa police officer exiting an elevator onto an apartment complex's fourth-floor deck. A man — later identified as Robert Johnson, 33 — comes into view. He leans forward on a railing and checks his phone.

About three minutes later, four officers surround Johnson while he appears to be on his cellphone. They talk to him and he shifts his body against a wall. Then they grab him, knee him in the gut and throw several punches to his head and body until he slumps to the ground.

They place him in handcuffs. Later, an officer shoves his head into the elevator door.

he 20-minute clip released publicly Tuesday is part of an internal investigation that led the officers to be placed on administrative leave, Mesa Police Chief Ramon Batista told NBC affiliate KPNX.

While the incident occurred May 23, Batista said he only learned of it a week later.

"This in no way represents the whole work that is done everyday," Batista said. "They're human beings and certainly at first glance this looks like a mistake, it doesn't look right. And it's my job, it's our job to collectively investigate and find the answers to this."

Johnson was not being investigated at the time, but was at the complex while his friend allegedly tried to get into an ex-girlfriend's apartment, police said. Authorities were called as part of a domestic dispute.

Johnson, who did not have any weapons on him, is facing disorderly conduct charges, KPNX reported.

The video does not contain audio, although police claim Johnson was argumentative and refusing commands to sit down. Another man can be seen in the video sitting against a wall.

"There is no explanation that can justify that level of force," Johnson's pastor, Andre Miller, told reporters. "When you look at the video, even after he was unconscious, he was still struck."

Johnson's attorney, Benjamin Taylor, couldn't immediately be reached for comment Wednesday. He said in a statement Tuesday that his client was cooperative and being peaceful against the wall.

"The misconduct of these officers would have gone unnoticed if it had not been captured by surveillance videos at the apartment complex where the assault occurred," Taylor said. He wants the police department to hold the officers accountable and "develop a law enforcement culture that meets community and constitutional norms."

The Mesa Police Association, which represents the officers, said in a statement that the video does not provide the full context of the encounter because there is no audio.

"It is important to understand that any use of force, when viewed, is difficult to watch and never looks 'good,'" the union added.

As a result of the incident, the Mesa Police Department has changed its use-of-force policy so that officers can only hit people in the head or face if they become physically violent, officials said. Previously, the policy could be interpreted that it was acceptable for an officer punch someone even before they turned violent.

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posted 06-06-2018 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StingRay     send a private message to StingRay   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by StingRay
No audio ... hmmm ... guess if anybody, even the stupid white woman on the beach that got her head punched by a cop had just LISTENED and FOLLOWED DIRECTION ... we would nary see a one of these incidents ... do you refute that Reecho or agree?
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posted 06-07-2018 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
We had 5 black on black murders in one week here. There is absolutely no outcry about that.
That said, the four cops should be fired. They really ought to show the entire clip, however.
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posted 06-07-2018 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
"As a result of the incident, the Mesa Police Department has changed [NOW] its use-of-force policy so that officers can only hit people in the head or face if they become physically violent, officials said.
Previously [this happened back in May], the policy could be interpreted that it was acceptable for an officer punch someone even before they turned violent."

My thoughts,,,,the guy did have a knife on him which was removed during body search. If he would have done what the officers asked of him to do [sit down on the floor], there wouldn't have been an issue or a azz-whooping as the police weren't at the apartment complex looking for him. [it was a domestic violence call that brought the officers there].

Robert Johnson seemed to feel it was more important to keep talking on his cell phone than listening to the officers giving him direct order to sit down. Yesterday, when interviewed by TV media, Johnson would only say it was disrespectful for officers of his own color [black] to hit him.

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Ray, I agree with you and with the Chris Rock video recommendations .... should be followed at all times >

OBEY THE LAW
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^ > CAUTION PG/13: Strong language and may not be appropriate for those under 13 years or age

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posted 06-07-2018 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StingRay     send a private message to StingRay   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by StingRay
Cops have a very tough job - their life is on the line every day they step into their role. They don't know who is hopped up on speed, packing a weapon, or just plain liberal crazy ... we say "stop, drop and role" to save us from fires, "stop, look and listen" to save us from trains - but thanks to 4 years of Obama elevating BLM hate group to foster racial divide and anti-cop sentiments, we have gotten away from "listening to authority".

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posted 06-07-2018 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeWare     send a private message to BeWare   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by BeWare
A look at the FBI's report on law enforcement officers assaulted and killed confirms the fact that no assignment poses more uncertainty and danger to an officer than a domestic disturbance call. More officers by far are assaulted or injured during domestic disturbance calls than any other circumstance. In 2005, 30 percent (17,534) of the 57,546 assaults on law officers occurred during disturbance calls, according to the FBI. The next highest category, "attempting other arrests," resulted in only 17 percent (9,602) of total assaults against officers.
http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/1635715-Domestic-disturbance-calls-Always-dangerous-and-sometimes-deadly/
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posted 06-07-2018 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cstall     send a private message to cstall   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by cstall
quote:
Originally posted by reechee:
The video does not contain audio, although police claim Johnson was argumentative and refusing commands to sit down. Another man can be seen in the video sitting against a wall.



What does this tell you?
The guy sitting against the wall went home.
The guy who was "argumentative and refusing commands to sit down" got beat up an arrested.
Maybe the NFL players should get off their knees and say "Hey - see the guy sitting against the wall? Do what HE did!"

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No matter how you look at it.....

It's excessive force as defined by law, and it's against the law.

"Clearly excessive force for the situation, Even the Cops have to
obey the law", quote from a family member who is a detective of a major police department.
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This message has been edited by Tomcal on 06-07-2018 at 12:22 PM

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posted 06-07-2018 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
Quote: "Clearly excessive force for the situation, Even the Cops have to
obey the law", quote from a family member who is a detective of a major police department."

The LAW in effect in May of this year in that jurisdiction allowed for the azz whooping the dude got for failing to abide my police repeated requests..... Remember, he had a knife, wouldn't get off his cell phone, wouldn't do as the police told him several times to do... Justifiable within the laws during the month of May,,,,the police rules now changed.

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Your wrong again Alley Cat.

Arizona law does not state that. Or does Mesa law have special "beat them up provision". No, Mesa Law has no provision either one way or the other. Police Chief has confirmed that.

Federal Law supersedes Mesa law. When the Fed's press charges, they can drop by your place and explain it to you.

No knife in video during assault. No one saw it, but he had a knife. Was it a legal size knife?. The old "He had a knife". Planted to cover up.

Excessive force is a crime

To much heat and sun in Mesa Arizona. Does strange thinks to people.

KNOW THE LAW.

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Wrong again liberal butt munch,,,,,,

"Mesa Police Chief Batista said that the department would change some of its use-of-force policies after the incident."

Different police rules were in effect during the May 2018 incident.... police rules changed in June as I mentioned before, are now in effect.

"The department also released copies of the police report filed after the incident. In the report officers argued that Johnson had acted “confrontational and verbally defiant.” The report also justified the officers’ force, saying that Johnson, who at the time was leaning against the wall and using his phone, appeared to be “preparing for a physical altercation.”

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"Federal Law supersedes Mesa law. When the Fed's press charges, they can drop by your place and explain it to you"

Just one example: So Federal laws on Marijuana use supersede city and state laws? Explain why states can super vent Federal Law if it allows weed sales and use. Tommie, with all of your Trump Hatred posts, I think the law needs to stop at your place to see what you are taking or smoking.

You, 'know it all' about knowing all about law. You should have been a lawyer instead of your current occupation, since you know so much.... Pathetic claim

This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 06-07-2018 at 09:30 PM

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posted 06-07-2018 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
I very seriously doubt that they planted the knife. Do you have ANY evidence that substantiates that? Again, I think the cops over did it, also. They should have sprayed him with mace or tasered him. All of that said, he is an idiot and maybe getting his A$$ kicked will save him from being killed later, when he thinks he ought to act really cool and tough.
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"They should have sprayed him with mace or tasered him."


I agree fully with you Ed,,,,a tazer shot and possibly one slug to the gut would have most likely dropped him along the wall... There were five or six cops surrounding him...he wasn't going anywhere. Mr. Johnson and his lawyer are preparing the lawsuit against the city,,,,wonder if they are aware that just last year a police officer from the same department shot and killed an unarmed guy in a hotel hallway who wouldn't listen to the officer's order to lay down on the ground and remain still >>> that officer was found 'not guilty' by a jury. Kind of reminds me of the Rodney King azz-whooping in California, many years ago.
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posted 06-08-2018 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for reechee     send a private message to reechee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by reechee
He could have said that he was sleeping with the cop's mother and that would never have justified the beating he received. If you watch the video long enough, you can see that after he was restrained, he was purposely slammed head first into the elevator door. No the guys are just sadists. He was being punished for not showing sufficient fealty.

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posted 06-08-2018 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
And the reason that Rodney King in Cally took a beating in 1991? Seems not much has changed in 27 years.....even with Tommie's federal laws tossed in.

Justifiable? How did the jury verdict come back for the officers in the King case?

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OK Reech - I had to go look up the word "fealty".
You liberals are SO dramatic!
I saw Johnson do an interview with a local news channel. He said:
"WAH! I feel I was disrespected - BY MY OWN PEOPLE! WAH!"
What a puss!
I hate saying this (but this is what our world has come to): It's a good thing that a black cop kicked his ass. Otherwise, Mesa would've been burned down...

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That would suck,,,,, AC would be homeless with all the illegals!!!


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Originally posted by cstall:
Otherwise, Mesa would've been burned down...

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quote:
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AC would be homeless with all the illegals!!!


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[B]Otherwise, Mesa would've been burned down...


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L/D,,,I wouldn't lose much,,
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The illegals have already taken over on my property,,,as squatters..

BUILD THE WALL

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Alley Cat post..." And the reason that Rodney King in Cally took a beating in 1991? Seems not much has changed in 27 years.....even with Tommie's federal laws tossed in.

Justifiable? How did the jury verdict come back for the officers in the King case? "
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..... Well Alley Cat, since you ask, here's the answer;

"The federal government prosecuted a separate civil rights case, obtaining grand jury indictments for violations by the four officers of King's civil rights.

Their trial in a federal district court ended on April 16, 1993, with two of the officers being found guilty and sentenced to prison. The other two were acquitted of the charges. The city of Los Angeles awarded King $3.8 million in damages, in a separate suit."

Don't mess with the FEDS.

Bad boys, bad boys
What'cha gonna do?
What'cha gonna do when they come for you?

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