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posted 02-12-2018 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
One year ago, 20,412. Today 24,610. Up 4198 in exactly one year. Just a hair over 20 % without a calculator or paper and pencil.
A week ago it would have been about 25% but no one wanted to discuss the stock market UNTIL THE BOTTOM FELL OUT, for some reason!!!!! I guess no talking points from the left.
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Not so fast, Ed!
You better check Money Magazine first. 4198 points might really be 2000.
And up might really be down...
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posted 02-14-2018 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
Seems the DJ AVERAGE is doing fairly well THIS week. What looks promising will rise AGAIN. We did really good last November and it will pay dividends for years. lol
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Cstall seems to have issues with Professional Market Analysts. Fixated on Money Mag, but ignores Baron's.

So, lets give another example from Professional Market Analyst... FORBES.

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"When Barack Obama was sworn in as the 44th president of the United States on January 20, 2009, the U.S. stock market was in free fall. The financial crisis was in full swing following the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the Standard & Poor’s 500 index, a popular measure of the U.S. stock market, closed at 805 points on Inauguration Day.

Eight years later, the S&P 500 index has risen to 2,274 points after one of the great bull runs in stock market history. With Obama as president, the U.S. stock market, as measured by the S&P 500, returned 235%, or 16.4% annualized.

The Obama stock market trounced the stock market of his presidential predecessor, George W. Bush, which fell -30.6% from January 20, 2001 to January 20, 2009. Bill Clinton’s stock market, however, beat the Obama stock market, returning 264%, or 17.5% annualized.

The top-performing sector of the Obama stock market was the consumer discretionary sector, which returned 338%, or 20% annualized, according to FactSet Research Systems.

Both Silicon Valley and Wall Street did well under Obama. Information technology was the second-best performing sector of the U.S. stock market during the Obama presidency, returning 285%.

And while bankers complained about being political targets and dealt with new regulations limiting their risk-taking activities, Wall Street recovered in the years after banks received bailouts. Financial stocks were the third-best performing sector in the U.S. stock market during the Obama years, rising 261%.

Still, of the main stock index’s 469 stocks that were trading when Obama took office and remain listed today, only 12 of them ended the Obama terms in negative total return territory. Some of those stocks, like Goldman Sachs, got an extra boost after Donald Trump was elected and the stock market staged a Trump rally.

But, in the history books, those gains will be attributed to the Obama stock market".

(End quote)

"Figures don’t lie, but liars figure"

"A fool and his money are soon parted"

Market is moving back up.... a good thing. Probably going to be turbulent the next few weeks. Fasten your seatbelts it's going to be bumpy.

Disclaimer:
"Past performance is no guarantee of future results"
"Your mileage may vary".

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They cherry picked the top performers, not everything. That is main stream media at its best.
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Up another 310 today, more than half way back to the ALL TIME HIGH, after the 2750 point drop.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tomcal:

Tell them, their wrong and your right. Let me know what they reply back to you. LOL

Cstall seems to have issues with Professional Market Analysts.


Tomcal - you seem like an intellectual kinda guy - most liberals are. So you won't have any trouble confirming the numbers I posted for yourself.

When you first made your claim of "259% during the Obama years", I thought you had actually calculated that number yourself. I didn't realize you were just blindly parroting someone else's work without checking it. Now I know better...

BTW - that snip you copy/pasted a few days ago was from Forbe's, not Baron's. Since that story posted on Oct 30, 2017, the Dow would climb another 3300 points before pulling back in late Jan. So your comment that the 2000 point plunge "pushes (Trump's) numbers much lower" is wrong. It would actually be higher.

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cstall... My posting of Professional Financial Analysts articles was to show you and others FACTUAL PROOF, since your in denial. Also, I did do my own calculation and they are confirmed by numerous Financial Professionals.

I can only assume you invested your money and had financial returns based on YOUR calculations. Meanwhile, the smart money made 235% plus gains. Sad.

Thank-you for your Intelligence compliment. I also feel you're an Intelligent person, however misguided.

BTW... I'm a registered "INDEPENDENT".

God Bless America and the Stock Market.
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Another HUUUUUGE day, it is about 920 below the all time low, after the big CRASH, a month ago today. It has come back about 1750 points. Not bad. Let the good times roll. lol
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Consumer Confidence 17-Year HIGH...

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Shelly Hagan



U.S. consumer confidence jumped to a 17-year high as optimism about employment prospects grew and Americans began seeing additional money in their paychecks from recently enacted tax cuts, data from the New York-based Conference Board showed Tuesday.

Highlights of Consumer Confidence (February)

•Confidence index rose to 130.8 (est. 126.5), highest since Nov. 2000, from downwardly revised 124.3 in January
•Present conditions measure climbed to 162.4, highest since 2001, from 154.7
•Consumer expectations gauge increased to three-month high of 109.7 from 104

More here
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-27/u-s-consumer- confidence-at-17-year-high-as-tax-cuts-take-hold

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The Dow has shed 1,100 points in three days.

The Dow's sputtering, once again. On Tuesday, Feb. 27, the Dow shed about 300 points. On Wednesday, Feb. 28, investors kissed another 380 points goodbye. Then on Thursday, March 1, it gave back another 420 points -- albeit it was down almost 600 points intraday. Altogether, the Dow has plunged 1,100 points over a span of three days.

How's your 401K
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Thank-you for posting. Gorgeous picture. A TRUE PRESIDENT.
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Oh yes, that portrait screams ... SCREAMS look at me, I'm Presidential ... WORST most corrupt President ever .... even Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon agree!
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The Dow has dropped like a rock and yet it is still WAAAAAAY higher than it has ever been, even when Obama or Clinton were in office. My 401 is way up from where it was a year ago.
It will be back on the rise in the near future.
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quote:
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Thank-you for posting. Gorgeous picture. A TRUE PRESIDENT.

Now that is some funny Chit Tom.

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Question quote: "How's your 401K"?


Much better than the last full day of the Messiah's presidency > DOW > Jan 19th, 2017 = 19,805 compared to

the latest close, Mar 2nd, 2018 = 24,538 ,,,

UP 4733!

What's in your wallet.......

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...the Dow dropped 1,300 points, nearly 20%, the first 7 weeks Obama was in office......took 4 years to recover to previous highs.....my 401 is great.....my investments have risen more this last year than the previous 8 years combined, it has NEVER been this good....always have ups and downs, keep in mind the recent 1,100 point drop was just over 4%.....looking to have a good year financially and hopefully 7 more, hope you do to
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Voodoo Mathematics.

8yrs Obama up 235 plus percent.
Last year up 21.7%

How did you do better last year than the previous 8yrs combined, as you stated???

This year, S&P 500 up 2%. Dow up .7%

A refresher class in Math 101 is strongly advised.

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How did you do better last year than the previous 8yrs combined, as you stated???



I need to send u my CFP'S phone #...I'm sure Larry would agree to also....Mine is grinning ear to ear ...as well as me...I have bought 2 more prowlers since Mr T took office..oh boy....

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...all I need to do is look at my personal balance sheet to see the difference....l didn't just start investing when Obama came into office, although I suffered through many years of stagnation during his 8 years, spent years going nowhere to speak of
...the last 15 months has been like stepping out of a Model A and settling in behind the wheel of a Ford 40....we have had people stop by our homes asking to purchase, calls wanting to purchase unadvertised classic automobiles, people have confidence, they have money to spend, people are finally getting ahead

...2007, DOW over 14k
...election day 2008, DOW 9,600
...innauguration day 2009, DOW 7,900
...6 weeks later, March 2009, DOW 6,600
...2013, 4 years later, DOW finally recovers and hits 14k once again
...2016, DOW hits 18k....4k actual gain in 8 years
...2017, DOW hits 25-26K...6-8k gain in one year

...many of my holdings are in NASDAQ based stocks, I have yet to chart the numbers as I did in the DOW, just need to look at my balance sheets and compare...not everyone invests in the same instruments and I change parts of my holdings as I feel is needed, but by no means am I day trading.....I have met no investors or business owners longing for the "good ole Obama days", we took a bigger dip percentage wise in the DOW under Obama and a larger point /wealth increase in the DOW under Trump,
...bottom line, as long as you are happy with your own personal progress in the previous 8 years, happy for you, but I much prefer the rise in personal wealth I have experienced in the last year, the future of investing looks great to me for the forseeable future....hope you well in your endeavors in the market

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People still need that refresher class in Math 101.

"CFP".... Certified Financial Planner. The guys who make money on selling you investments with high commission market ups.

Sorry, don't need or want his phone number.

"A Fool and His Money are Soon Parted."

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Yeah....1.15%.....do the math...up 50K last year ...his hand on the trigger ...BUT I TELL HIM WHEN...and i'm retired out making more money ....and he's not selling me anything i don't want.....
Since market's not that good according to you i'm surprised your invested at all......
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...the percentages I remember most were the 50% loss in 90 days from Obamas election in November 2008 to March 2009 and the 4 year recovery to previous levels of 14k.....actual DOW gain in 8 years was 4k, (14-18),

...yes I do personally control a large portion of my investments and have consistently out performed the professionally controlled portions (wifes retirement accounts)....I also controlled my businesses, my commercial real estate and other investments, it is nothing more than simple math, common sense and paying attention.....having a planner in the mix (for me) only slows down my trades and the ability to make more money faster, and yes, my personal gains the last 15 months or so have been far superior to the previous 8 years, far superior.....all I need to do is look at my bottom line and I can see for my self....for me, the OBAMA YEARS were not the best, or even second best, LOL, they just existed
...keep in mind, we suffered a nearly 60% fall in the DOW/NASDAQ from 2007 until 2009, not all Obamas fault, but it happened.....the long 4 year recovery can be partially blamed on Obama


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