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FL Phil




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posted 10-12-2005 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FL Phil     send a private message to FL Phil   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by FL Phil
We have started receiving emails that should have been directed to Help@TheProwlerStore.com or admin@theprowlerstore.com.

Chris Shemwell who started theprowlerstore.com wrote to us several weeks ago about his new site and if he could advertise his site on ours. We thought that theprowlerstore.com would cause confusion and appear related to the POA or Prowler Store and suggested Chris change the name of his site to something else to remove that confusion.

We are happy to see another vendor produce Prowler accessories to give us more choices. Chris’s store is perfectly legal along with his products. We are just disappointed in the name he has chosen for his site. Perhaps if we put our thinking caps on we could get some positive suggestions on reducing the confusion that has started between the two sites.

Please only post positive suggestions.

This message has been edited by CA Phil on 10-12-2005 at 07:36 PM

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posted 10-12-2005 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
My take, which I believe is positive but may not be popular with some of the members who worked so hard to start our Prowler Store,,,,,, is to change our website's store name to The POA Store

Looking at Chris' website:

I see "The Prowler Store" is copyrighted? Also, I see that he/they have two websites:
www.TheProwlerStore.com and www.TheViperStore.com ,,,, and that they advertise on eBay under those names.

Since our product buyer's have to come to www.prowleronline.com to make purchases,,,,it just seems much easier not to bump heads over similar names and just change our Prowler Store name to The POA Store

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This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 10-12-2005 at 08:38 PM

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Perhaps Chris could insert Tampa in the name, ie thetampaprowlerstore.com or tampabayprowlerstore.com .
It is confusing even to Flori-duh Prowler Owners. Plus it looks like Chris is trying to get some Prowler owners together for somne cruises, which will go over much better if there is no confusion in names. Hey Chris, give it some thought. "Blew Buyou" said it.
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1 vote for A/C's suggestion
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posted 10-12-2005 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SirReal     send a private message to SirReal   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by SirReal
Perfect and reasonable solution AC
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posted 10-12-2005 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Usher     send a private message to Marty Usher   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Marty Usher
I certainly wouldn't want to run off any vendor for our cars and suggest they change their name without more information. How long has he been in business using the Prowlerstore name? Does it predate the www.prowleronline.com Prowler Store? What is his position in this matter - is he open to discussing the situation?

If Alley Cats suggestion is considered - how much work, effort, and money would be involved in changing?

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posted 10-12-2005 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SuperKat     send a private message to SuperKat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by SuperKat
I agree with AC.
Please don't tell Ed that; it's still early so he might not see this post.
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posted 10-12-2005 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
Gordon - I'll tell Ed I stole your password and posted the above, lol.
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I'm with AC,AC you the man!!!!!
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Yes AC, yes. Simple solution too.

Change our website's store name to The POA Store.

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posted 10-12-2005 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CJ     send a private message to CJ   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by CJ
No, his store does not pre-date our store. We've had conversations with him, explaining the confusion not only with our members, but with DC. He also put up links on his site without asking permission from those vendors, including prowleronline. Our agreement with DC states that our store cannot be linked to any other website since we are not allowed to sell our products anywhere except on prowleronline.com. We had to ask him to remove the link, which I believe he did.

AC, since our store existed long before his, I see no reason why we should change ours. He told me that he worked on his for the past year to finally get it up and running recently. It took us two years to get our license and we worked on our store site for two years before we opened up. It has been almost a year that ours has been open. He is not licensed with DC in any way and I believe based on his statements that he did not get permission from DC to use Prowler store. Granted, he is not using the trademarks on his site.

Phil and I and several people who have helped with the development of our store, have worked very hard for a long time on this. Our time and efforts have all been volunteer and all profit goes back into POA........not anyone's pocket.

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posted 10-12-2005 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
It seems like someone is going to have to give in. IF neither side is willing to budge, you have a problem. (Big IF) Is a big fight worth it? I agree that the POA store was first, is licensed etc and apparently he is not. Either ignore him, ask him to change or take serious action. I don't see any other options.
I can't believe he can get by with selling unlicensed products IF D-C is as diligent as we have been led to believe. Do they want to fight him?
I don't have the answers to any of the options. Someone higher up will have to decide what course of action to take. Hopefully it will be resolved peacefully.
Is he licensed to sell Viper stuff?
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posted 10-12-2005 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FL Phil     send a private message to FL Phil   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by FL Phil
I think AC suggestion is worth some more conversation since we can only sell to our members it doesn't matter what the store is called ....

AC - Copyrights don't mean that much the day we brought our store up it had a copyright only if someone uses the same name you have to prove you were first.

This message has been edited by CA Phil on 10-12-2005 at 10:47 PM

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We all know that we are the only ones using the Prowler on line Store. So to us changing it to POA Store makes some sense as long as it does not cost us more than it is worth to change it. We know what it is and the outside world really does not enter into the equation. As long as he is doing it right, I have no problem with the change. Glad to see that someone new is making aftermarket stuff for the Kat even if I don't buy any now or in the future. But some of us might. Just my 2 cents.

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posted 10-12-2005 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JKrehel     send a private message to JKrehel   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by JKrehel
These responses, after all of the hard work of CJ and Phil put in over the last few years to get the license agreements and provide new products for everyone are very disappointing. Just my humble opinion. He is playing on all of our efforts. It sucks! Again, my opinion.
We registered the name in April of 2001 and have been working on it since then. This guy just did it in March of 2005. Advantageous? Again this is my personal opinion.
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Hello to all you loyal ProwlerOnline members.
I have to tell ya all that I came up with name awhile ago and only recently implemented it.
It stemmed from TheViperStore.com which I had first. I plan on using other car makes with a similar name to complient my stores.
When I came up with the name believe or not I was not even aware of the prowlerstore.com.
It just seemed to be a logical name to compliment my TheViperStore.com
I would be willing to work with any ideas to avoid any confusion, although no one that has contacted me has been confused.....however it is not practical to change my stores name.
I thank you all for your points of view and hearing mine.
Very Best Wishes to all!!
Chris
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posted 10-13-2005 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Krehel     send a private message to Mike Krehel   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Mike Krehel
quote:
Originally posted by eaglesoar61:
When I came up with the name believe or not I was not even aware of the prowlerstore.com.


Well Chris, ProwlerStore.com has been around much longer than you have. We registered the name ProwlerStore.com in April 2001, so now you are aware of this. Yes you may have thought about it before, but according to the VeriSign Directory you just registered your name The ProwlerStore.com in March of 2005, which is the same date you registered the Viperstore.com

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Originally posted by eaglesoar61:
I would be willing to work with any ideas to avoid any confusion, although no one that has contacted me has been confused.....however it is not practical to change my stores name.

Phil, CJ and Judy have contacted you in regards to this situation and the confusion it has caused.

Please contact me by email so that we can discuss a solution to this predicament.

If I don't hear from you, I will assume you are not interested in an amicable solution.

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I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IT DOESN'T TAKE GENIUS TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PROWLER STORE.COM IN FLORIDA OR PROWLERSTORE.COM IN CALIFORNIA. I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE AND I HAVE PURCHASED ITEMS FROM BOTH, I'LL THROW MY 2 CENTS IN I THINK WERE MAKING A BIG DEAL FOR NOTHING OR MAYBE I'M MISSING SOME INFO. RICK
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posted 10-13-2005 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Lord     send a private message to Larry Lord   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Larry Lord
First off, for once, I agree with AC

Secondly if that doesn't work.
Two different domain names, owned by two different entities.
But, the POA website does require permission to post. Just, as in other cases in the past, revoke his posting privliges and let him make it on his own.
One sells quality parts and is licensed by DC, the other is not. Put him out of business? I doubt it.

Where is the problem?
Personally, I wouldn't put any of his chintzy looking crap on my car. I will always support a POA vendor if given a choice and if the quality is equal. I say, let the buyers decide where to spend their money and trust them to be smart enough to find the vendor they need.

This message has been edited by Larry Lord on 10-13-2005 at 01:37 AM

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posted 10-13-2005 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Krehel     send a private message to Mike Krehel   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Mike Krehel
quote:
Originally posted by eaglesoar61:
however it is not practical to change my stores name.

It's also impractical for us to change the name of our store!

Enough of this nonsense!

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