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Black Tie 161


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posted 09-05-2002 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Black Tie 161     send a private message to Black Tie 161   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Black Tie 161
When I get in and turn the key, I hear the valves clicking for almost 2 seconds before the oil gets up to them. That means every time I start my car after sitting for a night, I am running the engine with no oil pressure (so to speak) for a few seconds every day....that can't be good.

SOLUTION: I found out if I turn the key ALMOST to the point where the starter kicks the engine over...and hold it for a second or two....then turn it all the way so the engine starts.....It starts with no clicking since I seemed to have primed the oil pressure enough.

Whaddya think?

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posted 09-05-2002 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
Maybe.

I've found that using only the Mopar filter or a Mobil 1 oil filter has stopped this noise, but I'll try your system out.

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posted 09-05-2002 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howler Cat     send a private message to Howler Cat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Howler Cat
Haven't noticed at all. I will check try your system...Thanks BT161

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I will try that as well BT161... I used MobilOne synthetic at my last oil change, as recommended by a well educated POA member. Helped out with the problem & should be better in the winter when I start her once a week to to let her know I still love her

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posted 09-05-2002 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Black Tie 161     send a private message to Black Tie 161   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Black Tie 161
I only have 1,000 mi. on the car and I am getting my first oil change next week. (Car is a 2001 and I bought it with 200 mi on it.) From that point on, it will be nothing but Mobil 1!!

But it is reassuring to not hear the valve tap on start-up when I do this little trick.

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posted 09-05-2002 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frank     send a private message to Frank   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Frank
I hear it too, sometimes...I am due for an oil change an am going to mobil 1. Does anyone have the filter #..
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Changed to Mobil 1 at 1,000 miles and it helped the ticking but did not eliminate it. Cut it from 3 to 4 seconds down to 1 to 2.

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Mine did the same thing.....
Turning the key to on for a few seconds before starting does not do anything with the oil pump since it's driven off the engine, the only thing it's priming is the fuel system.....

Sometimes the car would tick at start up, and sometimes it wouldn't.....

One other idea that I had was that maybe it was an exhaust leak, and it took a while for it to go away. Which kinda made sense, since if it was leaking at the manifolds it would expand and help stop the leak when they got warmer...
(just a theory it was most likely the valve train)

I guess it's a common problem...

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I use full Synthetic Motor Oil and have not experienced what you describe.
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01Prowler....You bring up a very good point about just the fuel being primed, and not the oil....I just know that this trick seems to work for SOME reason. (3/4 turn and hold the key before starting seems to quiet the tap.)

I hope Mobil 1 prevents this valve tap on start-up. I am wary of oil additives, though they claim to "coat" the internal engine parts so there is lubrication even with no oil pressure...(remember the infomercial where they drove a Viper with NO OIL for a period of time after the oil additive was run through and drained?)

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Yep! mine too. Valve train noise at a cold start up. Turning the key with out chanking the motor will do nothing. Is a synthetic oil really the answer??? JJ.
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jack...I know logically the "trick" does nothing, but it seems to work for some reason. So I am posting this in hopes others try it and report back.

Have you actually tried doing it? I would love to hear some feedback from other owners who actually try this trick I am suggesting. I hope to hear other people say "It works, but I'm not sure why..."

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Does anyone have the filter spec for Mobil 1, or any other filter for synthetic oil......???????
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Are you using a mopar filter,if not that could be problem since this filter has a anti drain back valve built into it.The noise will last until filter refills because all mopars fill filter first.This has all way been a complaint with Chrys.owners.If you will notice GM-Ford filters mount so filters keep oil inside at all times.So any filter you use should have a anti-leak back valve in it.I was a factor rep.for chrys.and this was a complaint we heard a lot.By way it will not cause damage.Gene
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Gene is absolutely correct. Its a characteristic of the engine. I was buying a new LHS in 95 and heard the clicking on startup. I asked the salesman about it and he said it was common to the 3.5's. Not trusting him, I had him start about 5 other LHS's and a couple of Concord's (I think). They all had the clicking on startup. My LHS still clicks to this day and has always run great. My Prowler does the same thing.

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mine had that problem,until i stopped using fram filters,mopar only,problem gone.it seems frams check valves dont work.

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Mobil 1, Mopar, and premium STP filters have the best anti-drain back feature. Its the filter that helps prevent the start up noise, not the oil, although I prefer Mobil 1 full syn.
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All of my Plymouths do that....even the 1928. Doesn't seem to have hurt any of them over the years.

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OK I TRIED IT AND IT WORKED!!! DONT KNOW WHY... BUT MINE CLICKED EVERYTIME IT SAT OVERNIGHT...SO THIS AFTERNOON I STARTED IT AFTER SITTING FOR ABOUT 36 HOURS AND IM TELLING YOU NOT A SOUND AND I NOTICED WHEN IT STARTED THE OIL PRESSURE GAUGE LITTERALLY FLEW UP INSTANTLY...I KNOW THE OIL PUMP WORKS OFF THE ENGINE BUT I'M TELLING YOU IT WORKS. SO WHAT IS THE DEAL???
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I'm running Mobil 1 and the Mobil 1 Filter on a 2001 3000mi kat and I still get valve noise on about every other cold startup.

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How is the oil draining out of the filter with the filter being so low and the holes are at the top of the filter?
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quote:

SO WHAT IS THE DEAL???

I'm thinking its the little green elves from the black forrest!

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Our Prowler has over 18,000 miles on it. I use Mobil 1 in the Prowler. Our 94 Intrepid has 150,000 miles on it and I have always used Valvoline non-synthetic. Neither one has ever made the valve-train noise you speak of. The reason I believe my cars don't make the noise is that I have treated both of them with Militec. I use it in all of my engines.

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I have tried using the Mopar filter and it doesn't do any better that the cheap filters do. If you look at a Mopar filter you will see that it dosen't have any thing that even resembles a check valve in it. My Prowler made very loud valve noise when they started it and drove it off the showroom floor to deliver it to me. It had a Moper filter on it then.
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OK! Enough all ready! If you don't turn the key the engine will not turn; which means the oil pump is also not turning.This means regardless of the oil filter location, that, OIL IS NOT PUMPING.The principal behind all engine lubrication is that; ALL MOVING PARTS float on a film of oil.Yes, this is true. Now, if the push rods drain oil back down due to gravity you will here (a) (the) noise until the oil pump pumps oil. A synthetic oil might leave more of a coating, and probably does, hence less valve train chatter, the condition appears less noticeable. In conclusion this just might be an inherent design of this motor. Yours, JJ. PA licensed State Inspection Mechanic, Certified Chrysler Tech, (old) A. S. Automotive Technology.

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