posted 07-19-2001 09:03 PM                  

Thank you for reminding me how much trouble and grief this site has caused me personally. I know what to do about it. I have more important things to do with my time and energy.

I just wanted to publicly acknowledge your "private" e-mail to me today continuing your last post last night. If you need my address, I'm listed in the Rochester, Michigan telephone directory. I haven't been "called out" since grade school. I acknowledge that you "will be up in my area very soon." Just so that you do not misunderstand, you are not welcome at my house. Also don't mistake this for being afraid of you. I'm not, it's just that you are not worth the effort and I refuse to lower myself to your level.

You can have this board to do whatever you wish with. You appear to be the authority so you can now help all those in need. I don't need this aggrevation nor do I need anyone treating my wife in this manner publicly or privately.

Mike K...Please be so kind as to remove my registration from this site. I'm all done.

posted 07-19-2001 10:32 PM                  

We will all lose out on a plethora of information. Plus a great supporter of the car and a great friend of the people associated with it.

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See me WAX a Roush
See me WAX a Cobra

CAR & DRIVER of The Month

posted 07-19-2001 10:54 PM                  

RPL, the best to you and your loved ones. If you change your mind, know that there are others who will support you here.

Sorry to hear ....

Later...

posted 07-20-2001 12:49 AM                  

FMITBT,
I've had enough of your crap.
I'm sure you've offended almost everyone on this site at one time or another. My vote is that you get asked to leave. My hope is that either you will change your sarcastic and antagonistic attitude or that you will keep your word and walk away. Most of the people on this site try to contribute in some way. I have yet to see you do so. Trash talk is just that. I vote that either it or you go out with tomorrow's trash.
Why bother with a poll?
I see no reason to hide my opinion.

RPL,
You have been a tremendous asset to myself and to the Prowler owners in my area and many others. I hate to see you leave because of this but I do understand that this is not the only problem, it's just the final problem.
Thanks for all that you have done to help myself and others.
You will be missed. Please keep in touch.

posted 07-20-2001 02:23 AM                  

If we all try hard enough, we will find faults in all of us. It is a decision to either by a pain in the *** or be a nice guy.

I've had my share of people who have not agreed with me and wanted me to stop being who I am or leave the forum in the past. I was okay with that since I fully understand we all have our opinions. You will always find human beings that will agree with you and human beings that will not. I did not leave the forum inspite of all that.

What goes around comes around and treat as you would like to be treated. This rule works whether you believe it or not. Everyone will get theirs in due time. You reap what you sow PERIOD... Why not start sowing something good.

Jerry and RPL, I still think you guys should not leave this forum or anyone else for that matter. There are those enthusiasts who will totally enjoy you and what you have to bring to this forum.

I for one have learned alot about what is possible with the Prowler from you Jerry. You carry yourself how you feel you need too to survive. There is a group of human beings that will support RPL and a group of human beings who will support you Jerry.

I'd say ignore the posts from those individuals we as enthusiasts tend not to agree with and view the ones we do agree with.

Life is full of disappointments. We did not have a choice to be born into this world. The world is full of imperfect people starting with ME!!

I'd say do something nice for someone and ...PAY IT FORWARD

Did anyone see that Movie ???

posted 07-20-2001 06:18 AM                  

Bob-what was with your opening statement "Thank you for reminding me how much trouble and grief this site has caused me personally"? Looks like you might have been looking for a reason to boogie anyway. Although we havn't met, I'll be sorry to see you go. Maybe just a bad day and you'll reconsider? Thanks for all the help you and CJ have given the club.

posted 07-20-2001 08:11 AM                  

Sooooo, you can both leave if you want. Just do it and quit talking about it. (I think Jerry already left once.)

Or, better yet, shake hands and forget this idiocy and let's move on. You both have much to offer the rest of us and I would miss both of you. Looks like Jerry has extended a hand first, so take it and shake.

posted 07-20-2001 09:26 AM                  

Whether you stay or you go is going to be up to you. You know the policy of this site is not into banning or censure if possible.

However, your "stature" , for lack of a better word, has diminished in my opinion greatly over the recent past.

You've no idea how much help you've been getting in spite of yourself. Or if you do, you place no value on it.
People have defended your right to post, and I imagine they still will. Most of your post were asking questions if you remember, waiting for others to find the answers. The same people you throw jabs at. Is it a requirement of "younger" people as you put it to be disrespectful of others? People who are trying to help? I guess that's "cool" now?

You lost some friends here Jerry, in the name of your freedom of speech, you have also lost some respect as well in my opinion. Was it all worth it?

Believe me, I know what its like to lose friends or associates because of ill-chosen words. I suffer through it and try to learn from it. It's not fun.

I realize I'm open to being slammed by you by posting this, but I got to tell you man, it's all pretty classless in my eyes.

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See me WAX a Roush
See me WAX a Cobra

posted 07-20-2001 09:27 AM                  

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I agree with free speech, BUT, realistically we are members of a society that have a responsibility to try to get along and not be antagonistic for sport. We should not have license to hurt others and then cry "free speech". Everyone should take responsibility for their actions...

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I would like to add that if we don't want anyone to leave a forum such as this because of what is posted to them and the manner in which it is done, then everyone needs to be responsible for their actions and think about what they are doing before it is done. Harassment and vulgar behavior should not be tolerated by any of us.

We all have the choice to stay or leave and Bob has made his choice.

posted 07-20-2001 10:45 AM                  

HERE'S A QUOTE FROM CONFUSHUS or how every it spelt
(NEVER WRITE A LETTER WHEN YOUR MAD)

Now I know I'm very new to this group and haven't heard as much going's on as others have ,,BUT when I started reading everyones posts in the beginning I was very thankfull to all that posted reply's to my sometimes rambling questions. I monitor this site 24/7 when I'm home I'm a Prowler Junky big time like most here.

FMITBT I believe in your freedom speech stuff BUT NOT how you present a lot of your reply's to things eg.
(EH POSSIBLE TYPO FROM A DC INFO SHEET) on aluminum wrist pins. Your prob 100% right on your thought's on it BUT like I just said it's how you reply to things, You come across to me as a person who thrives on confrontations no matter what it's about or how big or small. This just leads to forum's like I'm replying to very counter productive to all. Plus to any visitor reading this stuff and thinking maybe I don't want to join this bunch because what's this SH-T ALL ABOUT they just go away and we've lost someone who loves their KAT'S LIKE WE ALL DO!!!!

I have never met you but I have met alot of others here on the Deadwood Run. Never met one person that didn't come downstairs with a smile on their face and a goodmorning to you. I did meet Bob & CJ and from what I seen and when I talked to them. In my opinion they are very fine people always there to lend a helping hand or take time to answer a question I had or anyone else that came up to chat.

Maybe first impressions aren't always right and I hope not. Your accomplishment with your Kat at the track impress me alot but your typing skills do not.

The submit button thing is a good point and maybe I should have givin it more thought here to but I Just had to speak my piece here.

posted 07-20-2001 11:42 AM                  

We just had a great trip to the Black Hills of South Dakota.
Everyone had a good time, not because of the CAR we drive,
but because of the PEOPLE who drive these cars. We also have some enthusiasts who participate in this forum who do not own a Prowler. We have people who like to cruise and keep their car(s) stock, and we have people who like to modify their car(s). We are a collection of people with varied interests and backgrounds. So what you may ask...

Well, we all ALSO come to the POA to enjoy the comraderie of fellow enthusiasts and to enhance our own ownership experience. Recently, this has not been an enjoyable experience for many in this forum because of the "Free Speech" argument and blatant attacks on certain members that are being made. Who on the POA actually wants to come here to be attacked? Not too many, huh? And for those who contribute valuable information, my hat is off to you. For those who find the need to post in malicious and childish ways - essentially hiding behind a computer screen, who attempt to diminish the quality of this site - Please go elsewhere!

We have a very open policy before us. Join the POA at no cost, enjoy it, contribute to it in any way (hopefully POSTIVELY) that one can and feels comfortable doing.
Essentially we have no rules here except for the REQUEST that we all behave decently. As we have grown, we have added more members and personalities to our group. We have also seen an eroding of much of the respect for each other that was on this board when it was started. A few people on this board have been publically asked through various threads to reconsider their actions and post more responsibly and less maliciously. For a time this has an effect, then shortly afterwards the same thing starts up again. Will this ever change? No, I don't think so. Human nature at it's best - and it's worst!

In the Viper Club of America (VCA) we pay dues. We participate in ways very similar to what goes on in the POA.
We have also denied membership renewal when a member acts in ways deemed disrespectful of/to the membership body. After several occurances of this type behavior, the member is spoken to, and if the behavior is repeated, their renewal is denied. Nobody is trying to outcast anyone or have them blacklisted, but everyone is trying to enjoy the ownership experience the organization is attempting to provide. Those who cannot abide by common decency and respect for their fellow members are not welcome - in any organization! Tolerated perhaps, welcomed no.

As to the "Free speech" arguement - I'm all for it. I'm also all for people TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR FREE SPEECH! After all, you can't really expect everything to be OK with no repurcussions if you decide to yell "FIRE" in a theater full of people - Free speech is not an excuse for irresponsible behavior. Our speech is an extension of ourselves and we are held accountable to the words we use!

In MY opinion, when the behavior of one member of the POA continually stirs up trouble and the rest of the membership body suffers because of it, whether though causing a fellow member to leave or because of the distaste left behind from the postings of the member in question, that member should leave. We ALL just lost a good friend and contributer to this board. Given the choice that someone must leave the POA, I'd like to see FMITBT go (since the Fatman asked...)and have RPL continue to enhance this site. RPL made his choice freely, and will be missed. It's very unfortunate for the entire POA body that we lose him and his contribution. FMITBT has given us an option, now we will see if he is a man of his word as he says he is. I've enjoyed some of his posts, but could live without most of them as well. See ya Fatman! If we should all suffer because of your postings and lose RPL, we should lose you too! (That makes five, so far.) RPL, you will be missed. Only the best to you.

I want to also take this opportunity to respectfully ask ALL the members of the POA to please contribute, but to do so responsibly. Share your opinions, thoughts, and ideas, but don't slam fellow members because they have a different knowledge base or view or opinion than yourself. Please try to post constructively so we may all benefit.

JMO...