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cwatsonjr unregistered Admin Use |
posted 04-18-2001 07:53 PM
I had my oil changed at just under 1300 miles but the Prowler Tech was VERY hesitant to do it. He said that DC is using a break-in oil and it is recommended to stay in 3k miles. I know some have suggested changing at 500, others at 1000 because of some bearings that expand with the heat during break-in but he said that should not be a factor with the type of bearings that are used. Also spoke with the Service Manager about possibly using a high grad Fram oil filter next time around (one that I supplied) and she recommended to stay away from Fram because they have a tendency to leak? I didn't get that impression from the group here... It was nice to meet the tech and he is cool (shook hands when meeting me, before taking my baby into the service bay), I let him know some of the future work that I am planning on having done so that he would know I would be using his expertise. How about some thoughts on the oil change issue? Did I make a mistake in changing the oil too soon? ------------------ |
butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 04-18-2001 08:00 PM
my thoughts-all bull driven by ignorance and $ ------------------ |
Dave Mills POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Johnstown, PA, USA |
posted 04-18-2001 08:03 PM
My first oil change was at 700 miles after the car had sat all winter. My Tech did not seem to see any problem with that. I change the oil every spring when I get the Cat out regardless of mileage. ------------------ |
SasyMama Prowler Junkie From:Lambertville, Mi, Monroe |
posted 04-18-2001 08:35 PM
I was told the exact same thing by my service manager. He said the it needs to break in properly. Something to do with metal shavings suspended in the oil. Has anyone used Z-MAX yet? ------------------ This message has been edited by SasyMama on 04-18-2001 at 08:59 PM |
butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 04-18-2001 08:44 PM
Sasy, I would hope metal shavings are taken out by the filter before being circulated. Frams are at least equal to the stockers. Might even be made by them-who knows? So what exactly is break in oil-anyone know? Lighter grade multi weight? I changed to mobil-1 at 500 miles. I used a wix filter. ------------------ |
Todd Cameron unregistered Admin Use |
posted 04-18-2001 08:45 PM
haha, funny, yep, buy our filters because fram leaks... what a bunch o BS. ANY filter leaks if you don't know how to put it on. I have around 500,000 miles over the last 20 years, on many different vehicles using fram's and NO LEAKS EVER. The dealer (and manufacturer) always tells you to change oil less then needed on any car, truck or whatever, makes more wear, sells more repairs. ------------------ |
MidlifeProwler Prowler Junkie From:Silver Spring, Maryland USA |
posted 04-18-2001 08:54 PM
My understanding was that the metal shavings that were generated during the breakin process was detrimental to the engine. Than why on earth would anyone want that stuff circulating around in the engine for an extra couple thousands of miles? It seems logical to me to change the oil early to rid these contaminants from the motor. There's no mention about not changing the breakin oil early either in the owner's manual or the service manual used by the techs. |
Daryl Prowler Junkie From:Pittsburgh, PA, USA |
posted 04-18-2001 09:00 PM
Special Break in oil???? I never heard of that! I think you did the right thing by changing your oil when you did. It seems that many (myself included) on this board changed their oil and filter within the first 1000 miles. |
SasyMama Prowler Junkie From:Lambertville, Mi, Monroe |
posted 04-18-2001 09:03 PM
I said the same thing to the manager. I really don't know what to believe. I think I will change it at around 1200-1500. I use Mobil-1 in all my cars. I used it in my PT and found it ran better with the 4 cyl. ------------------ |
Gary C POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:San Diego Area |
posted 04-18-2001 09:34 PM
I found this site years back and rated all the filters. Some are better than others. Fram was the worst. A friend of mine works at Penske (leasing) and they switched to Fram filters and had multiply engine failures. Also I have a friend at Large (huge) Japanese Motorcycle Manufacture that works in the Warranty sector and he says there is a correlation between engine failures and Fram filters. Choose wisely. DSTM ------------------ |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 04-18-2001 09:54 PM
When I worked for Ford, many decades ago, they said factory oil had some special lubricants for bearings and camshaft. I'd seem to believe them, why would they want trouble with engine under warranty? JMO I've heard both ways about Fram. ------------------
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cwatsonjr unregistered Admin Use |
posted 04-19-2001 08:43 AM
Thanks all for your comments - I feel better about changing the oil. CJ - is there really a special break-in oil used? ------------------ |
butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 04-19-2001 09:18 AM
Like all products, things change. I looked up break in oils and found only one direct reference from Saab of America stating that it was just light weight petroleum based for ring break in and coverage for shipment to all climates. Change to synthetic too soon would hamper ring seat. Some say wait until after 1k before the change. Here's the latest from FRAM:
DANBURY, Connecticut, September 1, 2000 – Introducing a breakthrough in oil filter technology: FRAM® X2 Extended Guard™, the first filter designed with 70 percent increased capacity over ordinary oil filters. The FRAM X2 filter is engineered to provide 7,000 miles of protection. At the same time, the filter maintains FRAM's industry-leading Single Pass Efficiency of 96%. ------------------ |
Todd Cameron unregistered Admin Use |
posted 04-19-2001 11:52 AM
and that filter is just what I recommended to Cliff and what I just put on two of my Kats. ------------------ |
butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 04-19-2001 11:56 AM
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cwatsonjr unregistered Admin Use |
posted 04-19-2001 12:07 PM
And is going on my Prowler at 3K. I just hope they don't put it on wrong to "prove" their point. I have never had a bad exprience with my service (with my durango and dakota) but haven't supplied parts for them to service with before either... we will see. If it leaks, I will take it back to them to tighten it. ------------------ |
CJ POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Rochester Hills, MI USA |
posted 04-20-2001 05:39 AM
Cliff, we have our own feelings and procedures on how and with what materials we maintain my car. However, we will talk to both engine and lubrication engineers to get a more comprehensive response for you. ------------------ |
cwatsonjr unregistered Personal ScrapBook Admin Use |
posted 04-20-2001 08:46 AM
Thanks CJ!!!! ------------------ |
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