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cwatsonjr
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posted 04-18-2001 07:53 PM           send a private message to NightProwler   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by cwatsonjr
I had my oil changed at just under 1300 miles but the Prowler Tech was VERY hesitant to do it. He said that DC is using a break-in oil and it is recommended to stay in 3k miles. I know some have suggested changing at 500, others at 1000 because of some bearings that expand with the heat during break-in but he said that should not be a factor with the type of bearings that are used.

Also spoke with the Service Manager about possibly using a high grad Fram oil filter next time around (one that I supplied) and she recommended to stay away from Fram because they have a tendency to leak? I didn't get that impression from the group here...

It was nice to meet the tech and he is cool (shook hands when meeting me, before taking my baby into the service bay), I let him know some of the future work that I am planning on having done so that he would know I would be using his expertise.

How about some thoughts on the oil change issue? Did I make a mistake in changing the oil too soon?

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posted 04-18-2001 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for butchcee     send a private message to butchcee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by butchcee
my thoughts-all bull driven by ignorance and $

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posted 04-18-2001 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Mills     send a private message to Dave Mills   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Dave Mills
My first oil change was at 700 miles after the car had sat all winter. My Tech did not seem to see any problem with that. I change the oil every spring when I get the Cat out regardless of mileage.

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posted 04-18-2001 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SasyMama     send a private message to SasyMama   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by SasyMama
I was told the exact same thing by my service manager. He said the it needs to break in properly. Something to do with metal shavings suspended in the oil.

Has anyone used Z-MAX yet?
Sasy

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This message has been edited by SasyMama on 04-18-2001 at 08:59 PM

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posted 04-18-2001 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for butchcee     send a private message to butchcee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by butchcee
Sasy, I would hope metal shavings are taken out by the filter before being circulated. Frams are at least equal to the stockers. Might even be made by them-who knows? So what exactly is break in oil-anyone know? Lighter grade multi weight? I changed to mobil-1 at 500 miles. I used a wix filter.

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haha, funny, yep, buy our filters because fram leaks... what a bunch o BS. ANY filter leaks if you don't know how to put it on. I have around 500,000 miles over the last 20 years, on many different vehicles using fram's and NO LEAKS EVER. The dealer (and manufacturer) always tells you to change oil less then needed on any car, truck or whatever, makes more wear, sells more repairs.

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My understanding was that the metal shavings that were
generated during the breakin process was detrimental to the engine. Than why on earth would anyone want that stuff
circulating around in the engine for an extra couple
thousands of miles? It seems logical to me to change the oil early to rid these contaminants from the motor.
There's no mention about not changing the breakin oil early
either in the owner's manual or the service manual used by
the techs.
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Special Break in oil???? I never heard of that! I think you did the right thing by changing your oil when you did. It seems that many (myself included) on this board changed their oil and filter within the first 1000 miles.
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I said the same thing to the manager. I really don't know what to believe. I think I will change it at around 1200-1500. I use Mobil-1 in all my cars. I used it in my PT and found it ran better with the 4 cyl.

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I found this site years back and rated all the filters. Some are better than others. Fram was the worst.

A friend of mine works at Penske (leasing) and they switched to Fram filters and had multiply engine failures.

Also I have a friend at Large (huge) Japanese Motorcycle Manufacture that works in the Warranty sector and he says there is a correlation between engine failures and Fram filters.

Choose wisely.

DSTM

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posted 04-18-2001 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
When I worked for Ford, many decades ago, they said factory oil had some special lubricants for bearings and camshaft. I'd seem to believe them, why would they want trouble with engine under warranty?
JMO

I've heard both ways about Fram.
Anybody tried Mobil 1 filter?

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posted 04-19-2001 08:43 AM           send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by cwatsonjr
Thanks all for your comments - I feel better about changing the oil.

CJ - is there really a special break-in oil used?

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posted 04-19-2001 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for butchcee     send a private message to butchcee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by butchcee
Like all products, things change. I looked up break in oils and found only one direct reference from Saab of America stating that it was just light weight petroleum based for ring break in and coverage for shipment to all climates. Change to synthetic too soon would hamper ring seat. Some say wait until after 1k before the change. Here's the latest from FRAM:


FRAM® Launches Breakthrough Product:


70% More Capacity, Lasts Up To 7,000 Miles

DANBURY, Connecticut, September 1, 2000 – Introducing a breakthrough in oil filter technology: FRAM® X2 Extended Guard™, the first filter designed with 70 percent increased capacity over ordinary oil filters. The FRAM X2 filter is engineered to provide 7,000 miles of protection. At the same time, the filter maintains FRAM's industry-leading Single Pass Efficiency of 96%.
Engineered with proven Triad™ fiber technology first introduced in the FRAM Triad air filter in spring 2000, the FRAM X2 oil filter traps more dirt than ordinary filters. The pleats in the filter media are supported with a rugged steel mesh skeleton to help them retain their shape and surface area needed throughout their extended life. A PTFE-treated sealing gasket and silicone anti-drainback valve also help the filter perform for more miles.
"FRAM is out front in oil filter technology with a product that reflects the newer, extended service guidelines consumers see in their owners manuals," explains Jim Brown, Senior Product Manager for FRAM filters. "A lot of the industry has danced around this interval change for years, but FRAM has recognized this and developed the first filter that goes the distance."
The FRAM X2 filter also looks like no other filter ever seen. First, the package isn't a box, but a silver cylinder. Next, the high-gloss silver surface of the filter can, made to resemble stainless-steel, reflects the high-tech nature of the product itself. An added feature is a cling-on oil change sticker consumers can use to remind them when 7,000 miles is up (a long time to remember).
In addition, the new package includes a special offer: consumers receive a $3 mail-in rebate from FRAM when they purchase both the new X2 oil filter and the new FRAM? Extra Life III air filter, also with Triad fibers. Both offer extended service intervals.
The Honeywell Consumer Products Group manufactures and markets FRAM® oil, air, transmission and fuel filters; Prestone® antifreeze/coolant and car care products; Autolite® spark plugs; and Holts® car care products. Information about FRAM products is available on our web site at www.fram.com.

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posted 04-19-2001 11:52 AM           send a private message to butchcee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Todd Cameron
and that filter is just what I recommended to Cliff and what I just put on two of my Kats.

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posted 04-19-2001 12:07 PM           send a private message to butchcee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by cwatsonjr
And is going on my Prowler at 3K. I just hope they don't put it on wrong to "prove" their point. I have never had a bad exprience with my service (with my durango and dakota) but haven't supplied parts for them to service with before either... we will see. If it leaks, I will take it back to them to tighten it.

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posted 04-20-2001 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CJ     send a private message to CJ   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by CJ
Cliff, we have our own feelings and procedures on how and with what materials we maintain my car. However, we will talk to both engine and lubrication engineers to get a more comprehensive response for you.

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Thanks CJ!!!!

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